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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 29, 2015 23:16:16 GMT
It was just a joke about Shaqiri's hips not lying mate But if you mean the lob, for the millionth time, I'm not saying it was a fluke because I doubt his ability to do something like that - I think it was a fluke because to me it looked like he was trying to pull it back. 'kin aider I agree with you. I'm not convinced he meant it but that doesn't make me any less of a true stoke supporter or any less of an admirer of Shaqiri's skills. Only he knows, but if he didn't mean it, he's hardly likely to publicly admit that, given the level of praise being heaped on him by our supporters. But it really doesn't matter does it ? (which is why I haven't read through all this extraordinarily long thread on the topic). The only things which really matter surely are that we won the game in good style away from home against a good team, scoring four in the process, and that he's off the mark by scoring two of them. Spoilsport
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2015 23:17:30 GMT
Keown is spot on, for once. The lack of appreciation for the finish from England's supposed technicians of the not so distant past is as staggering as it is funny as it is oh so telling. You can't kid a kidder boys, and I smell jealousy and bullshit.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Dec 29, 2015 23:21:08 GMT
Although he does look towards arnie, his body language as he's ready to strike it convinces me that he meant it.
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Post by richardparker on Dec 29, 2015 23:25:01 GMT
Jamie Redknapp could not dream of scoring a goal like that and meaning to do so. Nor could Martin Keown (for that matter). If you read both explanations, Martin Keown's makes far more sense. If you study the goal from the camera behind Tim Howard, there's absolutely no other thing on his mind but to lob the keeper. Keown has it spot on and gives a very good explanation to back his argument.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Dec 29, 2015 23:27:48 GMT
Did anyone else find it mildly amusing when savage and mcmanaman refused to go along with howard webb (who unashamedly and predictably ) backed up pawson on his poor penalty decision against aguero ?
It really is a crock of shite if the people mentoring the referees cant be objective , just re-enforces my opinion that it's just a bit of a boys club !
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 29, 2015 23:43:48 GMT
It was because the goal nets aren't white. Being dark it's harder to see the net bulge.
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Post by StoKeith on Dec 29, 2015 23:51:47 GMT
Dermot Gallgher has said on SSN it wasn't a penalty, they didn't even have the Pieters/Coleman incident up for review. Martinez sucking on lemons again That's strange, as he says it was a penalty in his "Ref Watch" piece this week. www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10113449/ref-watch-man-utd39s-wayne-rooney-deserved-red-card-vs-chelsea-says-dermot-gallagher"GALLAGHER'S VIEW: Right decision. GALLAGHER SAYS: He has touched the ball, but I still think it's a penalty. If you get the ball, it doesn't necessarily mean you have not committed a foul. He has gone through Arnautovic and has committed a foul. I think it's a penalty, I concur with the referee and understand why he has given it. It's a fair decision."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 0:00:16 GMT
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Post by spongebobflathead on Dec 30, 2015 0:02:21 GMT
Dermot Gallgher has said on SSN it wasn't a penalty, they didn't even have the Pieters/Coleman incident up for review. Martinez sucking on lemons again That's strange, as he says it was a penalty in his "Ref Watch" piece this week. www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10113449/ref-watch-man-utd39s-wayne-rooney-deserved-red-card-vs-chelsea-says-dermot-gallagher"GALLAGHER'S VIEW: Right decision. GALLAGHER SAYS: He has touched the ball, but I still think it's a penalty. If you get the ball, it doesn't necessarily mean you have not committed a foul. He has gone through Arnautovic and has committed a foul. I think it's a penalty, I concur with the referee and understand why he has given it. It's a fair decision." To be fair he does The man urd one is so typical of Atkinson , two big clubs playing so goes for the easy option of not making any decision at all , Atkinson who ain't afraid to make a decision or two always seems to lose his nerve in the big games , odd that !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 0:05:51 GMT
By far the most entertaining game I've witnessed this season. The game had it all.
End to end stuff with every outfield player giving their all for both teams going for the win. Three world class goals, Shaqs, Lekaku and Jos. Three superbly worked team goals, and to top it off to make it even sweeter, a late penalty awarded to our best team player on the day for us to snatch all three points from a very good footballing side on their own turf.
What more could you ask for on a Christmas Monday with now't else better do.
I loved every minute of it. One of them rare games where you wish you'd been in attendance to witness it live and take in the atmosphere of it all.
Give me more, please!
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Post by salopstick on Dec 30, 2015 0:07:28 GMT
just watch Shaqiri’s face after he’s made contact.
If he was trying to cross it, he would instinctively look to his left to see if his pass was heading in the right direction. But he doesn’t. He looks straight ahead, because he knows exactly where the ball is going.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Dec 30, 2015 0:07:35 GMT
I'm buggered if I can see that it was anything BUT a deliberately placed shot!!!
This bloke OOZES talent.....and that goal is testament to that fact!!
And F*CK anyone who thinks differently (who IS this Keown bloke anyway)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 30, 2015 0:11:08 GMT
I can at least acknowledge that there is a debate to be had on the penalty but I'm genuinely perplexed by this continuing bollocks. It was a superb piece of play. Would Redknapp be saying the same if Coutinho had done it? Would that clown Wright be saying it of Bergkamp had done it?
Not a fucking chance. It would be being celebrated as the piece of artistry it clearly is.
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Post by anisober on Dec 30, 2015 0:12:46 GMT
And no one mentioned how Bojan walked past Englands Saviour Stones for the first....
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Post by kustokie on Dec 30, 2015 0:19:05 GMT
Hey, Bayern. Two outside of the right foot passes: Bojan to Arnie to Shaq. Very Cameronesque!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 30, 2015 0:20:08 GMT
I wouldn't sell a turd to those gooner cunts.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Dec 30, 2015 0:21:03 GMT
On the TV coverage, Shaq was looking directly towards the goal and his gaze never moved from that until the ball was in the net. He's a top quality player who did the kind of thing that instinctive, quality players can do.
It was an exceptional goal, by an exceptional player and he meant to do exectly what he did.
The debate is nothing short of pathetic.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 30, 2015 0:22:10 GMT
Maybe if it's deemed a fluke, teams will be less likely to come sniffing. Somehow, I suspect coaches and scouts are a bit smarter than journos and pundits.
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Post by mistergumby on Dec 30, 2015 0:22:30 GMT
He's done stuff like this on a regular basis before he came to Stoke. He did it yesterday for the first time in a Stoke shirt. He'll do it again. Maybe only then the naysayers will believe - but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by njpotter on Dec 30, 2015 0:23:37 GMT
Stopped reading after they called him Shiqiri
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Post by kustokie on Dec 30, 2015 0:30:04 GMT
This really is an inane debate. However, here's my two-cents worth. 1) "Only Shaqiri knows" ... Why would he lie? Surely, he'd see the funny side if he meant it as a cross. 2) Arnie is just visible in the picture WAY behind Shaqiri and outside the box. Why the hell would he cross to the far post for a player that's behind and15 yards from the place where he's going to put the ball. Arnie is fast but not that fast and Shaq doesn't have eyes in the back of his head.
To me that goal was purely instinctive from a brilliant player. He didn't have time to think, he saw the ball, the goalie and goal ad popped it in the net. End of story.
EDIT: Just looked at the picture again. Arnie's about 25 yards from the goal. Also, the story is in the Mail, so it dunner count.
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Post by StoKeith on Dec 30, 2015 0:36:20 GMT
As Keown and others have said, it's all in the eyes. Definitely intentional and pure class.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Dec 30, 2015 0:49:41 GMT
As Keown and others have said, it's all in the eyes. Definitely intentional and pure class. Dead right, he knows full well what he is going to do. He only has eyes for the goal as he chips; a lovely bit of skill by a very talented player. I just hope we can hang onto him for a while, he is that good!
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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2015 1:01:07 GMT
Looking at this picture from that article which I presume is genuine rather than a computer generated graphic, then if it was meant to be a cross/pass then who the heck is he crossing/passing too, the invisible man?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 30, 2015 1:06:36 GMT
I don't know why it's bothering so many pundits so much???????? If Shakiri says he meant it, let him fuckin have it, stop doubting the lad!!!
What makes him any different to someone like Shearer in his playing days???? If Shearer had of scored that goal, all these so called pundits would have been fuckin jizzing over each other about how good it was and how he meant it!!!!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 30, 2015 1:09:51 GMT
Looking at this picture from that article which I presume is genuine rather than a computer generated graphic, then if it was meant to be a cross/pass then who the heck is he crossing/passing too, the invisible man? Can't remember that arrow being there, but it must have been as it's casting a shadow!!! Would have been a good indication to Tim Howard where the ball was going!!!
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Post by mateybass on Dec 30, 2015 1:24:30 GMT
Let's look at the positives, goal or cross (and I'm firmly in the goal camp) no goal keeper or defender from now on is ever going to be able to second guess what Shaq's intentions are in similar circumstances.
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Post by njkk on Dec 30, 2015 1:25:51 GMT
Watching it live I was screaming because I thought he hadn't give it, then realised he that had, fell over the cat trying to get back on my chair, just wonderful when it hit the net, ref gave it, we won end of story, I'm sure we'll have it go the other way before now & the end of season
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 1:46:13 GMT
Looking at this picture from that article which I presume is genuine rather than a computer generated graphic, then if it was meant to be a cross/pass then who the heck is he crossing/passing too, the invisible man? If he's aiming at Arnie, then we really are going to struggle to sell this buffoon without making a whopping loss. Seriously, I genuinely didn't get why there was even a debate about this goal before, but having seen this picture, can anyone still be thinking it was a cross? His feet would have to be on backwards.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 1:48:38 GMT
Let's look at the positives, goal or cross (and I'm firmly in the goal camp) no goal keeper or defender from now on is ever going to be able to second guess what Shaq's intentions are in similar circumstances. If Shaq and Charlie are ever on the pitch at the same time, the opposition keeper won't dare to leave his line.
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