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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 14, 2015 15:11:09 GMT
I would love to be proved wrong Absolute unequivocal bullshit. Yes. He played well against Wednesday and played well on Saturday, barring a miss.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 14, 2015 15:49:23 GMT
I would say BELOW AVERAGE rather than BAD on Saturday. a pure 5 out of 10 performance What were your ratings for the rest of the team? In fact, don't bore me to death, just give me your ratings for Arnie and Ryan! Id give Ryan a 5 and Arnie a 6. What does that prove?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2015 16:06:45 GMT
I would love to be proved wrong Absolute unequivocal bullshit. Yes. He played well against Wednesday and played well on Saturday, barring a miss. Would you prefer him to play rather than others who are keeping him out of the team ?, any player can miss sitters it was the way in which he wimped out that concerns me.
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Post by gonk on Dec 14, 2015 16:57:50 GMT
Hughes and co have been watching him for a couple of years and so hasn't loaned him on a whim, and I don't think Hughes {or PC} would be hamstrung by penalties etc. {Or if they are, they've got it covered}. He fits our target profile perfectly, a player with bags of potential {and some hype} who've slightly lost their mojo for whatever reason. Ripe for nurturing. It's risky but we've proved to be pretty good at it so far. We've got plenty of midfielders, Hughes has shown willing to try different options, while rewarding solid performances. Whelan and Adam did nothing to be dropped, and Afellay and Cameron have nudged into contention while Hughes has made changes to provide Bojan with more freedom. I seem to recall Van Ginkel picked up an injury before the international break, and then he couldn't be picked for the two Chelsea matches, but since he's been subbed on so he's still in the frame despite the healthy competition. He's a big unit and a cultured footballer. He usually gets in the mix, he'll be eager to put yesterdays bloopers behind him, do better next time. I think some players suffer from trying too hard, their game becomes forced rather than instinctive. At times MVG looks like he's trying to cover too much ground, do too much and can end up a bit headless and in a muddle. More game time and I'm sure he'll cool his boots. I get the feeling we're as likely to sign him up at xmas as send him back. I think you might be right there ,think this will be like the deal for Wolly ,now looking back there was no way Hughes was going to send him back even after a couple of below par games Don't think the club would have sorted all the small print out if they where not going to buy.I think the loan was more to do with his fitness to play games in the Prem after his injury .As you have said if we buy him in Jan we have a loan place to fill.
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 14, 2015 17:09:07 GMT
Absolute unequivocal bullshit. Yes. He played well against Wednesday and played well on Saturday, barring a miss. Would you prefer him to play rather than others who are keeping him out of the team ?, any player can miss sitters it was the way in which he wimped out that concerns me. So this weekend (because I reckon he'll play) coming up which better players is he going to be "keeping out of the team"? It's a team game, where a squad is needed throughout the season. Edit: The fact you've turned your unique attention to him can only be good news for the lad though as you could'nt spot a decent player to save your life.
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Post by stokemark on Dec 14, 2015 17:10:43 GMT
I would love to be proved wrong Absolute unequivocal bullshit. Yes. He played well against Wednesday and played well on Saturday, barring a miss.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 14, 2015 17:12:06 GMT
Hughes and co have been watching him for a couple of years and so hasn't loaned him on a whim, and I don't think Hughes {or PC} would be hamstrung by penalties etc. {Or if they are, they've got it covered}. He fits our target profile perfectly, a player with bags of potential {and some hype} who've slightly lost their mojo for whatever reason. Ripe for nurturing. It's risky but we've proved to be pretty good at it so far. We've got plenty of midfielders, Hughes has shown willing to try different options, while rewarding solid performances. Whelan and Adam did nothing to be dropped, and Afellay and Cameron have nudged into contention while Hughes has made changes to provide Bojan with more freedom. I seem to recall Van Ginkel picked up an injury before the international break, and then he couldn't be picked for the two Chelsea matches, but since he's been subbed on so he's still in the frame despite the healthy competition. He's a big unit and a cultured footballer. He usually gets in the mix, he'll be eager to put yesterdays bloopers behind him, do better next time. I think some players suffer from trying too hard, their game becomes forced rather than instinctive. At times MVG looks like he's trying to cover too much ground, do too much and can end up a bit headless and in a muddle. More game time and I'm sure he'll cool his boots. I get the feeling we're as likely to sign him up at xmas as send him back. I think you might be right there ,think this will be like the deal for Wolly ,now looking back there was no way Hughes was going to send him back even after a couple of below par games Don't think the club would have sorted all the small print out if they where going to buy.I think the loan was more to do with his fitness to play games in the poem after his injury .As you have said if we buy him in Jan we have a loan place to fill. One thing's for sure, he'll not get in Chelsea's team when he goes back, so why should he be in ours?
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 14, 2015 17:12:24 GMT
Absolute unequivocal bullshit. Yes. He played well against Wednesday and played well on Saturday, barring a miss. Interesting.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2015 17:48:37 GMT
Would you prefer him to play rather than others who are keeping him out of the team ?, any player can miss sitters it was the way in which he wimped out that concerns me. So this weekend (because I reckon he'll play) coming up which better players is he going to be "keeping out of the team"? It's a team game, where a squad is needed throughout the season. Edit: The fact you've turned your unique attention to him can only be good news for the lad though as you could'nt spot a decent player to save your life. Players who are injured or possibly banned, seems he is almost a last resort for Mark and his team, by the way I have spotted a few very good players who incidentally have gone on to have very decent careers, how about yourself ?
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Post by cousindupree on Dec 14, 2015 18:04:17 GMT
Hughes and co have been watching him for a couple of years and so hasn't loaned him on a whim, and I don't think Hughes {or PC} would be hamstrung by penalties etc. {Or if they are, they've got it covered}. He fits our target profile perfectly, a player with bags of potential {and some hype} who've slightly lost their mojo for whatever reason. Ripe for nurturing. It's risky but we've proved to be pretty good at it so far. We've got plenty of midfielders, Hughes has shown willing to try different options, while rewarding solid performances. Whelan and Adam did nothing to be dropped, and Afellay and Cameron have nudged into contention while Hughes has made changes to provide Bojan with more freedom. I seem to recall Van Ginkel picked up an injury before the international break, and then he couldn't be picked for the two Chelsea matches, but since he's been subbed on so he's still in the frame despite the healthy competition. He's a big unit and a cultured footballer. He usually gets in the mix, he'll be eager to put yesterdays bloopers behind him, do better next time. I think some players suffer from trying too hard, their game becomes forced rather than instinctive. At times MVG looks like he's trying to cover too much ground, do too much and can end up a bit headless and in a muddle. More game time and I'm sure he'll cool his boots. I get the feeling we're as likely to sign him up at xmas as send him back. I think you might be right there ,think this will be like the deal for Wolly ,now looking back there was no way Hughes was going to send him back even after a couple of below par games Don't think the club would have sorted all the small print out if they where not going to buy.I think the loan was more to do with his fitness to play games in the Prem after his injury .As you have said if we buy him in Jan we have a loan place to fill. It was widely reporting during the Bego deal that our choice of laonee from Chelsea was a) Moses...he didn't want to come b) The Arse Cheek lad....Chelsea refused and offered Van Gink as am alternative. You might think if Hughes had the hots for him he would have been first choice
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 14, 2015 18:06:53 GMT
So this weekend (because I reckon he'll play) coming up which better players is he going to be "keeping out of the team"? It's a team game, where a squad is needed throughout the season. Edit: The fact you've turned your unique attention to him can only be good news for the lad though as you could'nt spot a decent player to save your life. Players who are injured or possibly banned, seems he is almost a last resort for Mark and his team, by the way I have spotted a few very good players who incidentally have gone on to have very decent careers, how about yourself ? Of course you have petal. Were they in sticker form and in a panini album? He may be down the pecking order, granted. But with Cameron's injury, this is his chance. Of course though only if he scores an hat trick and assist another couple he'll only get fainted praise from the ones that have already set their stall out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 18:13:29 GMT
So this weekend (because I reckon he'll play) coming up which better players is he going to be "keeping out of the team"? It's a team game, where a squad is needed throughout the season. Edit: The fact you've turned your unique attention to him can only be good news for the lad though as you could'nt spot a decent player to save your life. Players who are injured or possibly banned, seems he is almost a last resort for Mark and his team, by the way I have spotted a few very good players who incidentally have gone on to have very decent careers, how about yourself ? Come on then name one?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 14, 2015 21:07:56 GMT
I think you might be right there ,think this will be like the deal for Wolly ,now looking back there was no way Hughes was going to send him back even after a couple of below par games Don't think the club would have sorted all the small print out if they where going to buy.I think the loan was more to do with his fitness to play games in the poem after his injury .As you have said if we buy him in Jan we have a loan place to fill. One thing's for sure, he'll not get in Chelsea's team when he goes back, so why should he be in ours? Bit of a narrow view of players/squads etc. Obviously I don't know which way it will go, it could still take time for MVG to recapture his promise, it might not happen but Chelsea/Jose didn't see the need to fit Lukaku, DeBruyne, Bertrand etc etc in the squad. Whether he would get a shout at Chelsea isn't certain and anyway if we used that criterion we wouldn't have loaned Moses. Because Chelsea don't fancy them doesn't mean they couldn't fit in another team/squad.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 14, 2015 21:34:50 GMT
I think you might be right there ,think this will be like the deal for Wolly ,now looking back there was no way Hughes was going to send him back even after a couple of below par games Don't think the club would have sorted all the small print out if they where not going to buy.I think the loan was more to do with his fitness to play games in the Prem after his injury .As you have said if we buy him in Jan we have a loan place to fill. It was widely reporting during the Bego deal that our choice of laonee from Chelsea was a) Moses...he didn't want to come b) The Arse Cheek lad....Chelsea refused and offered Van Gink as am alternative. You might think if Hughes had the hots for him he would have been first choice I would have thought Hughes and co having worked for a year with Moses would have been aware of his attitude to returning, and the Loftus-Cheek lad could have just been a 'piss take' punt as part of the Bego negotiations, who knows? The fact that Hughes was considering several quality options doesn't really bother me. They can like the look of several players at the same time, it's a negative spin to suggest we've ended up with a Hobson's choice with MVG {and we have to pay Chelsea if we don't play him.} I'd rather be a bit more positive about his time with us. I see it as a positive that we can deal with Clubs at the level of Chelsea. I acknowledge that ideally with a loan you should be able to chuck them straight in to the fray, but it doesn't always work that way. I like having the odd risky loanee in the mix {Guidetti} amongst the pearls that we're signing. I think we'll be seeing more of MvG in the next few weeks and we'll have more evidence. In his performances I've seen he's shown some great attributes and an ability to drive towards the box. Energy and attitude, just needs a bit of confidence and composure. We'll see no doubt.
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Post by gonk on Dec 15, 2015 7:15:01 GMT
I think you might be right there ,think this will be like the deal for Wolly ,now looking back there was no way Hughes was going to send him back even after a couple of below par games Don't think the club would have sorted all the small print out if they where not going to buy.I think the loan was more to do with his fitness to play games in the Prem after his injury .As you have said if we buy him in Jan we have a loan place to fill. It was widely reporting during the Bego deal that our choice of laonee from Chelsea was a) Moses...he didn't want to come b) The Arse Cheek lad....Chelsea refused and offered Van Gink as am alternative. You might think if Hughes had the hots for him he would have been first choice As to the Moses loan/transfer for this season it was well known that he did not want to go to a club outside london .The Lofus C lad would not have gone to well with there fans as at the time he was looking like he would get games in the first team,plus they could sing "he's one of our own".
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Post by blurtonboy on Dec 15, 2015 15:15:16 GMT
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Post by nutterpotter on Dec 15, 2015 15:24:12 GMT
With a bit more time, I think he could be a very useful player. At the moment, think he's more suited in a midfield 3 but over time he will develop the defensive side of his game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 15, 2015 19:25:17 GMT
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Post by mrteddysalad on Dec 19, 2015 17:40:51 GMT
MVG looked pretty good today. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 17:45:04 GMT
Shouldn't have been subbed off today at all. Was very good in midfield. Nailed Wickham with an ace tackle in the first half and moved well for the likes of Bojan etc. Much improved from last week.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 19, 2015 17:49:24 GMT
Thought he was OK today and actually better than Glen. We played well till the ball reached the edge of the area. That shot that hit the post would have given him a lot of confidence.
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 19, 2015 17:50:18 GMT
MVG looked pretty good today. Thoughts? Great passing day, better defensively but could still slow his man on defense more. Needs to press the attack through the middle by taking his man on dribbling. He was better than Whelan today decision wise. He needs games and if Cameron is out, he's the man in the 4-3-3
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 19, 2015 17:51:57 GMT
We didnt lose because of van Ginkel today but hes a bit of an unlucky mascot.
I dont think we have won a game when he started?
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 19, 2015 17:54:22 GMT
We didnt lose because of van Ginkel today but hes a bit of an unlucky mascot. I dont think we have won a game when he started? We haven't only drawn or lost I believe.
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 19, 2015 17:55:17 GMT
Said before the game it was the team I would have picked from those available, MvG is progressing well.
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 19, 2015 17:58:40 GMT
Players who are injured or possibly banned, seems he is almost a last resort for Mark and his team, by the way I have spotted a few very good players who incidentally have gone on to have very decent careers, how about yourself ? Of course though only if he scores an hat trick and assist another couple he'll only get fainted praise from the ones that have already set their stall out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 18:03:27 GMT
We didnt lose because of van Ginkel today but hes a bit of an unlucky mascot. I dont think we have won a game when he started? An unlucky stat. Turns out it was his centre midfield partner and then his replacement that cost us the game today. Pot luck
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Post by Northy on Dec 19, 2015 18:03:46 GMT
Shouldn't have been subbed off today at all. Was very good in midfield. Nailed Wickham with an ace tackle in the first half and moved well for the likes of Bojan etc. Much improved from last week. Agree, strange subs today
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 20, 2015 9:18:43 GMT
Who is Van Ginkel fucking to get anywhere near this side?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 9:21:30 GMT
New rod for Christmas?
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