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Post by jarhead on Dec 13, 2015 17:10:32 GMT
So Van Ginkel hasn't played for a while, let's just stick the boot in.........oh wait that worked a treat with Wolly. Carry on boys Well said. Why do they set themselves up like this to look stupid. He may not be the answer long term but stick with him ffs.
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Post by march4 on Dec 13, 2015 17:12:33 GMT
I'm still annoyed that MVG chickened out of scoring a tap in in case the keeper battered him.
The bigger joke was the keeper chickened out as well and ball crossed the goal harmlessly.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 13, 2015 17:13:28 GMT
He doesn't do enough to get noticed and it's often like he's not there, a ghostly Lampardish figure without the knack of scoring goals or making incisive passes. He is just not impressive at all I say!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 13, 2015 17:28:58 GMT
Hughes and co have been watching him for a couple of years and so hasn't loaned him on a whim, and I don't think Hughes {or PC} would be hamstrung by penalties etc. {Or if they are, they've got it covered}. He fits our target profile perfectly, a player with bags of potential {and some hype} who've slightly lost their mojo for whatever reason. Ripe for nurturing. It's risky but we've proved to be pretty good at it so far. We've got plenty of midfielders, Hughes has shown willing to try different options, while rewarding solid performances. Whelan and Adam did nothing to be dropped, and Afellay and Cameron have nudged into contention while Hughes has made changes to provide Bojan with more freedom. I seem to recall Van Ginkel picked up an injury before the international break, and then he couldn't be picked for the two Chelsea matches, but since he's been subbed on so he's still in the frame despite the healthy competition.
He's a big unit and a cultured footballer. He usually gets in the mix, he'll be eager to put yesterdays bloopers behind him, do better next time. I think some players suffer from trying too hard, their game becomes forced rather than instinctive. At times MVG looks like he's trying to cover too much ground, do too much and can end up a bit headless and in a muddle. More game time and I'm sure he'll cool his boots. I get the feeling we're as likely to sign him up at xmas as send him back.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 13, 2015 19:49:19 GMT
I think he's still finding his feet but he does have some talent.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 13, 2015 22:27:58 GMT
I think he's still finding his feet but he does have some talent. That would explain a lot, he needs to find them pronto though or he could end up at the Vale.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 9:42:32 GMT
"We could have won. I think we had some good opportunities … me. I think I had to score," said Van Ginkel.
"I think one of my qualities is to go into the box and make movements and score goals. Their midfield didn't know how to defend those actions and I had a few opportunities. I had to get myself a reward for that by scoring but I didn't. Hopefully, I can do it next time."
He added: "I want to play more. I want to score. I want to be important for the team. This was maybe a good chance and I didn't take it, but maybe next time I will."
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Post by crownmeking on Dec 14, 2015 10:11:50 GMT
I think he's still finding his feet but he does have some talent. That would explain a lot, he needs to find them pronto though or he could end up at the Vale. Only here when you have something negative to say about our players.
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Post by foster on Dec 14, 2015 10:14:40 GMT
Not sure how much time people want to give someone who's not even one of our players.
Half way through the season and he's done nothing of note.
7 MVG starts, 4 points.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 14, 2015 10:15:07 GMT
Reading that article, I can't help feeling for the lad. I get the impression he wants to do well but this is perhaps a step up. Regular Premier League football is hard and he's seemingly been a weak spot for us.
I felt he was terrific against Sheffield Wednesday but I felt at the time it was as if he'd found his (current) level. He'd be brilliant in the championship but he's still growing into a Premiership player. It'll happen but we might not see it.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2015 10:50:56 GMT
That would explain a lot, he needs to find them pronto though or he could end up at the Vale. Only here when you have something negative to say about our players. I have missed something, pretty sure he is a Chelsea player but never mind don't let that fact spoil your argument
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 14, 2015 10:53:34 GMT
MVG will be a very good player. Whether that is in time for us to see it this season remains to be seen.
I like his energy. I like his willingness to get forward and he's definitely got goals in him. He should have scored on Saturday for sure but like Shaqiri, once he gets one, his confidence will grow and we'll see more of it.
If his loan spell with us continues in this way, we may even be able to pick him up permanently on the cheap. If we can, I'd like us to sign him as I think he has the makings of a very good midfield player.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Dec 14, 2015 12:11:35 GMT
I actually didn't mean to give that a thumbs up Dave!!!!! I can't see it myself, but I hope you're right, although it would surprise me if he steps up a level in his performances.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 14, 2015 12:16:13 GMT
Not sure how much time people want to give someone who's not even one of our players. Half way through the season and he's done nothing of note. 7 MVG starts, 4 points. wow thats a stat! Ive been pleasantly surprised by Affelay's willingness to get stuck in and do some of the dirty work. When van Ginkel doesnt throw himself at a chance to score it just adds to the perception hes not strong enough for this league.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 14, 2015 12:20:58 GMT
I actually didn't mean to give that a thumbs up Dave!!!!! I can't see it myself, but I hope you're right, although it would surprise me if he steps up a level in his performances. What was so wrong with his showing on Saturday? I thought he had a decent enough game and overall, don't think we played too badly at all. On another day we would have won.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Dec 14, 2015 12:27:17 GMT
Only here when you have something negative to say about our players. I have missed something, pretty sure he is a Chelsea player but never mind don't let that fact spoil your argument You have, yes. He is currently contractually obliged to Stoke City, wears the red & white and represents our club when selected.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 14, 2015 12:33:56 GMT
I actually didn't mean to give that a thumbs up Dave!!!!! I can't see it myself, but I hope you're right, although it would surprise me if he steps up a level in his performances. What was so wrong with his showing on Saturday? I thought he had a decent enough game and overall, don't think we played too badly at all. On another day we would have won. Failing to put his head on a cross and missing a sitter?? What did he actually do well?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 12:34:14 GMT
Not sure how much time people want to give someone who's not even one of our players. Half way through the season and he's done nothing of note. 7 MVG starts, 4 points. wow thats a stat! Ive been pleasantly surprised by Affelay's willingness to get stuck in and do some of the dirty work. When van Ginkel doesnt throw himself at a chance to score it just adds to the perception hes not strong enough for this league. Here's his quote on the chances: "The first one came from the right from Ibi (Afellay). It was a good cross and I made a good movement into the box. It was between the goalkeeper and me and I saw the keeper coming to me very hard but in the end he stopped a little bit. It was so quick. I went with my foot but I didn't really touch the ball. Maybe in the end I should have gone with my head. It was a bit disappointing. "The second one, I didn't really expect the ball and then it came in front of my foot. My shot was terrible.
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Post by crownmeking on Dec 14, 2015 12:40:42 GMT
I have missed something, pretty sure he is a Chelsea player but never mind don't let that fact spoil your argument You have, yes. He is currently contractually obliged to Stoke City, wears the red & white and represents our club when selected. Exactly!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 14, 2015 12:45:01 GMT
He needs to be far more active and press himself onto the game. Hes like the opposite of Charlie Adam - when Adam is on the pitch we all know about it because hes either shooting from the half way line of stamping on an opponent van Ginkel is running everywhere but hes not taking initiative with or without the ball. It could all be confidence with him. I dont think hes a shit player, but he needs to be far more agressive
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 14, 2015 13:30:48 GMT
What was so wrong with his showing on Saturday? I thought he had a decent enough game and overall, don't think we played too badly at all. On another day we would have won. Failing to put his head on a cross and missing a sitter?? What did he actually do well? As I suspected...he missed a couple of chances so was crap. Shawcross played a bad pass and challenged for a needless header, giving a foul away in the process, so he was below par. Mvg did lots of good things on Saturday. He was neat and tidy, he got up and down the pitch and he should have bagged himself a couple of goals. There wasn't a lot wrong with his performance on Saturday. Our lack of a forward target was much more of an issue on Saturday than van ginkels performance.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 14, 2015 13:49:38 GMT
Failing to put his head on a cross and missing a sitter?? What did he actually do well? As I suspected...he missed a couple of chances so was crap. Shawcross played a bad pass and challenged for a needless header, giving a foul away in the process, so he was below par. Mvg did lots of good things on Saturday. He was neat and tidy, he got up and down the pitch and he should have bagged himself a couple of goals.There wasn't a lot wrong with his performance on Saturday. Our lack of a forward target was much more of an issue on Saturday than van ginkels performance. So basically youre saying he had a good game because he was neat and tidy and got up and down the pitch? I would say that constitutes an AVERAGE game = 6 out of 10 The fact he then missed two chances drags his score to a 5 out of 10 which most people rated him at. How can your description of what he did be concluded as a GOOD game?
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 14, 2015 14:21:39 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc on Dec 14, 2015 14:23:46 GMT
To be honest, and it's not hindsight, I'd have much preferred to have started with Diouf up top and Afellay on the right and Bojan in the hole. I know Afellay is better infield but he did lots of good stuff on the right in the first half. Without Shaqiri we lacked the extra pace which Diouf would have provided. I think MVG finds it hard to stamp any of his identity onto a game and I've seen no sign of that changing.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 14, 2015 14:38:12 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 14, 2015 14:54:41 GMT
To be fair, he is kinda of weak when it comes to going for a tackle or imposing himself in the match... Needs time with Wollschied to toughen him up.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 14, 2015 15:00:06 GMT
As I suspected...he missed a couple of chances so was crap. Shawcross played a bad pass and challenged for a needless header, giving a foul away in the process, so he was below par. Mvg did lots of good things on Saturday. He was neat and tidy, he got up and down the pitch and he should have bagged himself a couple of goals.There wasn't a lot wrong with his performance on Saturday. Our lack of a forward target was much more of an issue on Saturday than van ginkels performance. So basically youre saying he had a good game because he was neat and tidy and got up and down the pitch? I would say that constitutes an AVERAGE game = 6 out of 10 The fact he then missed two chances drags his score to a 5 out of 10 which most people rated him at. How can your description of what he did be concluded as a GOOD game? So basically you're saying he was crap because he missed a few chances. How can your description of what he did be concluded as a BAD game?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 14, 2015 15:01:33 GMT
haha my old friend Pwongy. Im not a fan of van Ginkel, Im not hiding that fact. I would love to be proved wrong but with almost half the season gone before his return to Chelsea is there even much reason of him playing? Would you play him Pwongy?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 14, 2015 15:03:24 GMT
So basically youre saying he had a good game because he was neat and tidy and got up and down the pitch? I would say that constitutes an AVERAGE game = 6 out of 10 The fact he then missed two chances drags his score to a 5 out of 10 which most people rated him at. How can your description of what he did be concluded as a GOOD game? So basically you're saying he was crap because he missed a few chances. How can your description of what he did be concluded as a BAD game? I would say BELOW AVERAGE rather than BAD on Saturday. a pure 5 out of 10 performance
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 14, 2015 15:08:15 GMT
So basically you're saying he was crap because he missed a few chances. How can your description of what he did be concluded as a BAD game? I would say BELOW AVERAGE rather than BAD on Saturday. a pure 5 out of 10 performance What were your ratings for the rest of the team? In fact, don't bore me to death, just give me your ratings for Arnie and Ryan!
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