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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 20:48:32 GMT
So you're denying he's failed to bring down either? Well that depends if you think a deficit of £154 billion is more than a deficit of £100 billion ish, i'm pretty sure it is so i'm also therefore pretty sure he has reduced the deficit but the fact a deficit is run at all means the debt increases. Do you want the link to amazon for that book So it's true he has raised the actual debt massively, correct?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 20:54:46 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Nov 25, 2015 21:14:57 GMT
I'm not your friend Paul I will never ignore you because I love proving you wrong I also never hurl abuse at you because I know your finger is hovering over the report button. Fuck it, I will bite then Paul Cmon then show me this abuse I threw at you. I can't recall a time you've proved me wrong, must be in your head. Funny I've never reported you. I know you have me though. Like I said you're best left alone so I will from now on. So no abuse from me Later liar
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 25, 2015 21:15:32 GMT
Well that depends if you think a deficit of £154 billion is more than a deficit of £100 billion ish, i'm pretty sure it is so i'm also therefore pretty sure he has reduced the deficit but the fact a deficit is run at all means the debt increases. Do you want the link to amazon for that book So it's true he has raised the actual debt massively, correct? Yes it's true and the reason is the massive deficit inherited from Labour, £150 billion+ a year more spent than taken in via receipts, much of paying for the Labour spending on PFI only started to kick in once they had left office. You do remember the Labour clown who wrote there was no money left.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 21:26:30 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 21:27:47 GMT
So it's true he has raised the actual debt massively, correct? Yes it's true and the reason is the massive deficit inherited from Labour, £150 billion+ a year more spent than taken in via receipts, much of paying for the Labour spending on PFI only started to kick in once they had left office. You do remember the Labour clown who wrote there was no money left. Ahhh so it's Labour's fault he's fcuked up? Gotcha
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2015 21:29:57 GMT
Won't be able to claim any tax relief on work mileage from April. You can guarantee that their expenses won't suffer. These fuckers and their permanent austerity on the lower levels of society are absolute cunts of the highest order. I would quite happily watch them die. The same sentence that they have inflicted on poorest and most vulnerable in society. All whilst they guffaw and quaff in their mansions paid for by their tax-dodging schemes. Astonishing is it not? And so many on here that cannot or will not see it. Some on here also voted for these psychopaths. Huddy - you ignored a simple question about whether or not you are concerned about the ruling levels of debt. So I'm unsure whether that's because you don't care or don't understand the question. Let me ask you another question then - do you understand the relationship between debt and the deficit? And what causes a deficit. This isn't a political question - not yet.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 21:34:28 GMT
Astonishing is it not? And so many on here that cannot or will not see it. Some on here also voted for these psychopaths. Huddy - you ignored a simple question about whether or not you are concerned about the ruling levels of debt. So I'm unsure whether that's because you don't care or don't understand the question. Let me ask you another question then - do you understand the relationship between debt and the deficit? And what causes a deficit. This isn't a political question - not yet. I wasn't ignoring you at all. Unsure as to why you feel you need to ask? And yes I do understand.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 25, 2015 21:35:58 GMT
Yes it's true and the reason is the massive deficit inherited from Labour, £150 billion+ a year more spent than taken in via receipts, much of paying for the Labour spending on PFI only started to kick in once they had left office. You do remember the Labour clown who wrote there was no money left. Ahhh so it's Labour's fault he's fcuked up? Gotcha He's fucked what up? He's cutting the deficit as he said he would aim to, do you actually understand the link between the deficit and debt ?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2015 21:43:12 GMT
Huddy - you ignored a simple question about whether or not you are concerned about the ruling levels of debt. So I'm unsure whether that's because you don't care or don't understand the question. Let me ask you another question then - do you understand the relationship between debt and the deficit? And what causes a deficit. This isn't a political question - not yet. I wasn't ignoring you at all. Unsure as to why you feel you need to ask? And yes I do understand. The reason is the debt you're trashing Osbourne for is a direct consequence of the deficit Labour created. It wasn't apparent from the chart you posted that you understand that.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 21:56:50 GMT
I wasn't ignoring you at all. Unsure as to why you feel you need to ask? And yes I do understand. The reason is the debt you're trashing Osbourne for is a direct consequence of the deficit Labour created. It wasn't apparent from the chart you posted that you understand that. It's also apparent that austerity has worsened it don't you agree?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 21:57:35 GMT
Ahhh so it's Labour's fault he's fcuked up? Gotcha He's fucked what up? He's cutting the deficit as he said he would aim to, do you actually understand the link between the deficit and debt ? He's missed every single target he set himself. True or false?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2015 21:58:50 GMT
Ahhh so it's Labour's fault he's fcuked up? Gotcha He's fucked what up? He's cutting the deficit as he said he would aim to, do you actually understand the link between the deficit and debt ? I don't think he has a clue. Economics has never been a strength of the left. In the same way, compassion and empathy seem alien to the Tories.
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Post by mcf on Nov 25, 2015 21:59:08 GMT
To be fair, this latest argument just sums up how stupid and moronic Labour supporters are.
They moan that the cuts to the deficit are too deep and then point to the debt pile with accusations that the Tories are allowing it to build and build.
Utter morons.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2015 21:59:50 GMT
The reason is the debt you're trashing Osbourne for is a direct consequence of the deficit Labour created. It wasn't apparent from the chart you posted that you understand that. It's also apparent that austerity has worsened it don't you agree? No.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 22:02:50 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 22:03:57 GMT
It's also apparent that austerity has worsened it don't you agree? No. As austerity and cuts deepen, tax receipts drop meaning it takes longer to reduce deficit. Or is that incorrect?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 25, 2015 22:08:11 GMT
Possibly your most ludicrous statement yet. Remember when Corbyn, making a complete dick of himself, asked Cameron six times about cutting tax credits only to be told six times to wait for the Autumn Statement? Well, today was the day of the Autumn Statement and the government decided not to cut tax credits. What's the issue with changing your mind? It's a shame New Labour didn't change their spending plans during the 00s. Absolute loony stuff from the boards biggest loony. The Tories don't care about the poor or "hard working families" four weeks ago and they don't give a shovel of shit about them now. If it wasn't for concerted efforts of the opposition and other campaigners we would have children starving come next April and you're trying to make them out to be the caring party now. It doesn't wash. They're the scum of the earth who don't give a cow's cunt about the least well off whether they're in work or not.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2015 22:11:38 GMT
I'm struggling with your point - forget politicians not telling the truth. They all tell porkies. The point is the deficit is coming down - which is what he said he would do. But while it still exists, the debt increases. And that deficit is a legacy of Labour's last fiscally disastrous administration. What would you do with the debt and deficit.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 25, 2015 22:12:31 GMT
I'm struggling with your point - forget politicians not telling the truth. They all tell porkies. The point is the deficit is coming down - which is what he said he would do. But while it still exists, the debt increases. And that deficit is a legacy of Labour's last fiscally disastrous administration. What would you do with the debt and deficit. Carry on spending by all accounts
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 22:13:48 GMT
Remember when Corbyn, making a complete dick of himself, asked Cameron six times about cutting tax credits only to be told six times to wait for the Autumn Statement? Well, today was the day of the Autumn Statement and the government decided not to cut tax credits. What's the issue with changing your mind? It's a shame New Labour didn't change their spending plans during the 00s. Absolute loony stuff from the boards biggest loony. The Tories don't care about the poor or "hard working families" four weeks ago and they don't give a shovel of shit about them now. If it wasn't for concerted efforts of the opposition and other campaigners we would have children starving come next April and you're trying to make them out to be the caring party now. It doesn't wash. They're the scum of the earth who don't give a cow's cunt about the least well off whether they're in work or not. Indeed...it wasn't so much a change of mind as being forced by a whole raft of hard working campaigners that forced them into a U-turn.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2015 22:15:04 GMT
As austerity and cuts deepen, tax receipts drop meaning it takes longer to reduce deficit. Or is that incorrect? Where are tax receipts dropping. Didn't you see what happened today - increased tax receipts is why Osbourne was able to squirm out of the hole he dug himself into on tax credits. So you are incorrect.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 22:16:53 GMT
I'm struggling with your point - forget politicians not telling the truth. They all tell porkies. The point is the deficit is coming down - which is what he said he would do. But while it still exists, the debt increases. And that deficit is a legacy of Labour's last fiscally disastrous administration. What would you do with the debt and deficit. There is not one shred of evidence that the last Labour administration were irresponsible. It's part of the lie that the Tories spread along with them being the best party to manage the economy. I repeat Osborne has failed to meet the targets he set himself. If you have an open mind you might want to read this, which among other publications suggests a very viable alternative to austerity. falseeconomy.org.uk/cure/whats-the-best-way-to-reduce-the-deficit
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 22:18:44 GMT
As austerity and cuts deepen, tax receipts drop meaning it takes longer to reduce deficit. Or is that incorrect? Where are tax receipts dropping. Didn't you see what happened today - increased tax receipts is why Osbourne was able to squirm out of the hole he dug himself into on tax credits. So you are incorrect. If you're on about this magical £27 billion then that's only a projection or forecast. Any cash injections he announced today will be taken back by other means, notably by hitting the most vulnerable yet again.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 22:19:28 GMT
I'm struggling with your point - forget politicians not telling the truth. They all tell porkies. The point is the deficit is coming down - which is what he said he would do. But while it still exists, the debt increases. And that deficit is a legacy of Labour's last fiscally disastrous administration. What would you do with the debt and deficit. Carry on spending by all accounts Your usual arrogant response. Educate yourself my friend.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2015 22:20:13 GMT
Remember when Corbyn, making a complete dick of himself, asked Cameron six times about cutting tax credits only to be told six times to wait for the Autumn Statement? Well, today was the day of the Autumn Statement and the government decided not to cut tax credits. What's the issue with changing your mind? It's a shame New Labour didn't change their spending plans during the 00s. Absolute loony stuff from the boards biggest loony. The Tories don't care about the poor or "hard working families" four weeks ago and they don't give a shovel of shit about them now. If it wasn't for concerted efforts of the opposition and other campaigners we would have children starving come next April and you're trying to make them out to be the caring party now. It doesn't wash. They're the scum of the earth who don't give a cow's cunt about the least well off whether they're in work or not. I don't think it was the campaigners you highlighted made much impact. The Tories never listen to them. What did it, IMO, was that Tory woman on Question Time a few weeks ago. One of their own turning her back on them. That got the Tory back benchers antsy which is what forced Osbourne's hand.
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Post by bogeyman on Nov 25, 2015 22:21:24 GMT
On radio 2 today it was mentioned that the average self employed person earns on average £ 11,000 . Not sure if this is accurate or not .
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Post by salopstick on Nov 25, 2015 22:23:32 GMT
On radio 2 today it was mentioned that the average self employed person earns on average £ 11,000 . Not sure if this is accurate or not . According to their *ahem* tax records
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 25, 2015 22:27:41 GMT
Absolute loony stuff from the boards biggest loony. The Tories don't care about the poor or "hard working families" four weeks ago and they don't give a shovel of shit about them now. If it wasn't for concerted efforts of the opposition and other campaigners we would have children starving come next April and you're trying to make them out to be the caring party now. It doesn't wash. They're the scum of the earth who don't give a cow's cunt about the least well off whether they're in work or not. I don't think it was the campaigners you highlighted made much impact. The Tories never listen to them. What did it, IMO, was that Tory woman on Question Time a few weeks ago. One of their own turning her back on them. That got the Tory back benchers antsy which is what forced Osbourne's hand. They wouldn't have pulled their own law, they already rejected several amendments, one very much along the lines that Osborne has announced today and these increased tax revenues haven't magically appeared just in the last month. If it wasn't for the Lords this would have been on the statute book now. I concede (like Cameron's idiotic and shameful letter to the leader of his council) means that a lot of the time they are so committed to their ideology of austerity and turning poor on poor, they are so out of touch that they don't know the damage a host of their policies cause to the worst off in the country but mainly they just don't fucking care.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2015 22:29:41 GMT
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