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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2015 11:53:57 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 27, 2015 12:05:27 GMT
They failed to eliminate the deficit as they stated they would by the end of their first term They have failed to bring down the debt also. That's what I mean. You do understand that they are not separate actions but consequential? So to use term both, implying they've messed up twice, isn't appropriate. I'll amend what you said to make it more literate... "They failed to eliminate the deficit as they stated they would by the end of their first term as a consequence the debt was not reduced". That said - and something you've failed to do despite being asked several times (and something I'd appreciate seeing) are Labour's plans for the deficit. What do they want to do, and how do they plan to go about it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2015 12:11:52 GMT
They failed to eliminate the deficit as they stated they would by the end of their first term They have failed to bring down the debt also. That's what I mean. You do understand that they are not separate actions but consequential? So to use term both, implying they've messed up twice, isn't appropriate. I'll amend what you said to make it more literate... "They failed to eliminate the deficit as they stated they would by the end of their first term as a consequence the debt was not reduced". That said - and something you've failed to do despite being asked several times (and something I'd appreciate seeing) are Labour's plans for the deficit. What do they want to do, and how do they plan to go about it. I understand fully what you're trying to educate me on but it's Cameron and Osborne who promised to deal with both and therefore must stand judged on their statements. Not sure why you're asking me for Labour's plans but feel free to find Corbyn and McDonell's outline for an alternative to austerity. It has my support.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 27, 2015 12:24:13 GMT
You do understand that they are not separate actions but consequential? So to use term both, implying they've messed up twice, isn't appropriate. I'll amend what you said to make it more literate... "They failed to eliminate the deficit as they stated they would by the end of their first term as a consequence the debt was not reduced". That said - and something you've failed to do despite being asked several times (and something I'd appreciate seeing) are Labour's plans for the deficit. What do they want to do, and how do they plan to go about it. I understand fully what you're trying to educate me on but it's Cameron and Osborne who promised to deal with both and therefore must stand judged on their statements. Not sure why you're asking me for Labour's plans but feel free to find Corbyn and McDonell's outline for an alternative to austerity. It has my support. I give up Huddy. In a week where Osbourne should have been squirming, he was pissing his pants laughing. Such an easy target - and that idiot McDonnell missed it. Worse than that, instead of firing a broadside at Osbourne he shot himself in the foot with that ridiculous little red book stunt. He shamefully let down his party and the people he represents this week. My question about Labour's thinking on the deficit us a genuine one. I can't find anything. I therefore conclude they have no thinking. I just wondered if you had any thoughts - on Labour thinking. Or even your own. Maybe you think it's not a problem. A growing deficit and subsequent escalating debt are fine. I'm sure there's economists out there that will think that.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 27, 2015 12:32:06 GMT
You do understand that they are not separate actions but consequential? So to use term both, implying they've messed up twice, isn't appropriate. I'll amend what you said to make it more literate... "They failed to eliminate the deficit as they stated they would by the end of their first term as a consequence the debt was not reduced". That said - and something you've failed to do despite being asked several times (and something I'd appreciate seeing) are Labour's plans for the deficit. What do they want to do, and how do they plan to go about it. I understand fully what you're trying to educate me on but it's Cameron and Osborne who promised to deal with both and therefore must stand judged on their statements. Not sure why you're asking me for Labour's plans but feel free to find Corbyn and McDonell's outline for an alternative to austerity. It has my support. I'm sure McDonnell will apologise for lying about Osbourne promising to eliminate the deficit, decent and honourable man he is (did he ever get his plaques for the IRA members?). fullfact.org/factcheck/economy/george_osborne_deficit_promise-49874
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Post by boothenboy75 on Nov 27, 2015 16:11:59 GMT
McDonnell and the IRA? He did receive a plaque from the terrorist who bombed the Old Bailey killing 1 and injuring more than 100. Very odd behaviour.
He also said this whilst the Good Friday Peace talks were ongoing, "An assembly is not what people have laid down their lives for over thirty years…the settlement must be for a united Ireland".
Which I suppose is slightly better than what Corbyn said, "He said it had resulted in no improvement in the lives of the people of Northern Ireland, adding: “It strengthens rather than weakens the border between the six and the 26 counties, and those of us who wish to see a united Ireland oppose the agreement for that reason.”
Anyone who thinks these pair could ever in a million years become PM and chancellor is borderline cuckoo.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2015 16:15:48 GMT
I understand fully what you're trying to educate me on but it's Cameron and Osborne who promised to deal with both and therefore must stand judged on their statements. Not sure why you're asking me for Labour's plans but feel free to find Corbyn and McDonell's outline for an alternative to austerity. It has my support. I give up Huddy. In a week where Osbourne should have been squirming, he was pissing his pants laughing. Such an easy target - and that idiot McDonnell missed it. Worse than that, instead of firing a broadside at Osbourne he shot himself in the foot with that ridiculous little red book stunt. He shamefully let down his party and the people he represents this week. My question about Labour's thinking on the deficit us a genuine one. I can't find anything. I therefore conclude they have no thinking. I just wondered if you had any thoughts - on Labour thinking. Or even your own. Maybe you think it's not a problem. A growing deficit and subsequent escalating debt are fine. I'm sure there's economists out there that will think that. I repeat, I'm not quite sure why you keep asking me about Labour's thinking but again if you look at Corbyn's pre -election statements you'll see plenty there to educate yourself with.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2015 16:17:30 GMT
I understand fully what you're trying to educate me on but it's Cameron and Osborne who promised to deal with both and therefore must stand judged on their statements. Not sure why you're asking me for Labour's plans but feel free to find Corbyn and McDonell's outline for an alternative to austerity. It has my support. I'm sure McDonnell will apologise for lying about Osbourne promising to eliminate the deficit, decent and honourable man he is (did he ever get his plaques for the IRA members?). fullfact.org/factcheck/economy/george_osborne_deficit_promise-49874Not quite sure why you're bringing the IRA into this discussion but if you wantto bring the topic of politicians harbouring terrorists feel free. Let's start with Pinochet eh?
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 27, 2015 16:35:13 GMT
Not quite sure why you're bringing the IRA into this discussion but if you wantto bring the topic of politicians harbouring terrorists feel free. Let's start with Pinochet eh? I am bringing the IRA into as you claimed Jezza and Johnno were decent honourable man, it's a fact McDonnell wanted to honour some members of the IRA with plaques. I also put a link showing he has been lying about Osbourne making promises on the deficit just the same sort of thing you've been saying about Osbourne. By the way despicable as Pinochet was he did no harm to the UK unlike the IRA.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2015 16:39:19 GMT
Not quite sure why you're bringing the IRA into this discussion but if you wantto bring the topic of politicians harbouring terrorists feel free. Let's start with Pinochet eh? I am bringing the IRA into as you claimed Jezza and Johnno were decent honourable man, it's a fact McDonnell wanted to honour some members of the IRA with plaques. I also put a link showing he has been lying about Osbourne making promises on the deficit just the same sort of thing you've been saying about Osbourne. By the way despicable as Pinochet was he did no harm to the UK unlike the IRA. No ...he slaughtered and murdered and tortured his own.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 27, 2015 16:42:40 GMT
I am bringing the IRA into as you claimed Jezza and Johnno were decent honourable man, it's a fact McDonnell wanted to honour some members of the IRA with plaques. I also put a link showing he has been lying about Osbourne making promises on the deficit just the same sort of thing you've been saying about Osbourne. By the way despicable as Pinochet was he did no harm to the UK unlike the IRA. No ...he slaughtered and murdered and tortured his own. Much like the IRA Jezza and Johnno love hey shall we revisit how decent and honourable they are?
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 27, 2015 19:28:23 GMT
I am bringing the IRA into as you claimed Jezza and Johnno were decent honourable man, it's a fact McDonnell wanted to honour some members of the IRA with plaques. I also put a link showing he has been lying about Osbourne making promises on the deficit just the same sort of thing you've been saying about Osbourne. By the way despicable as Pinochet was he did no harm to the UK unlike the IRA. No ...he slaughtered and murdered and tortured his own. Not trying to defend murdering terrorist scum again are you ALF, the IRA slaughtered, murdered and tortured their own countrymen as well as British servicemen and civilians, honourable men are they fuck as like anti British scum more like, bet you are so proud you voted for Corbyn.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 27, 2015 19:36:51 GMT
I give up Huddy. In a week where Osbourne should have been squirming, he was pissing his pants laughing. Such an easy target - and that idiot McDonnell missed it. Worse than that, instead of firing a broadside at Osbourne he shot himself in the foot with that ridiculous little red book stunt. He shamefully let down his party and the people he represents this week. My question about Labour's thinking on the deficit us a genuine one. I can't find anything. I therefore conclude they have no thinking. I just wondered if you had any thoughts - on Labour thinking. Or even your own. Maybe you think it's not a problem. A growing deficit and subsequent escalating debt are fine. I'm sure there's economists out there that will think that. I repeat, I'm not quite sure why you keep asking me about Labour's thinking but again if you look at Corbyn's pre -election statements you'll see plenty there to educate yourself with. Because I'm interested in what you, or the party you clearly support (correct me if I've got that wrong), think about this topic. But if you've nothing to say - that's fair enough. I'll not press it again.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2015 19:41:18 GMT
I repeat, I'm not quite sure why you keep asking me about Labour's thinking but again if you look at Corbyn's pre -election statements you'll see plenty there to educate yourself with. Because I'm interested in what you, or the party you clearly support (correct me if I've got that wrong), think about this topic. But if you've nothing to say - that's fair enough. I'll not press it again. I support investment not austerity. I've made that clear on here over the years. Again I'm not sure why you keep asking.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2015 19:42:35 GMT
No ...he slaughtered and murdered and tortured his own. Not trying to defend murdering terrorist scum again are you ALF, the IRA slaughtered, murdered and tortured their own countrymen as well as British servicemen and civilians, honourable men are they fuck as like anti British scum more like, bet you are so proud you voted for Corbyn. Careful now..or I'll be reporting you for abuse and falsehoods. Naughty boy.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 27, 2015 19:53:19 GMT
Not trying to defend murdering terrorist scum again are you ALF, the IRA slaughtered, murdered and tortured their own countrymen as well as British servicemen and civilians, honourable men are they fuck as like anti British scum more like, bet you are so proud you voted for Corbyn. Careful now..or I'll be reporting you for abuse and falsehoods. Naughty boy. Grow up I have not abused you in that reply, I have abused to quote you the honourable men as I would any one who can openly defend and honour murdering cowardly terrorists, I understand this has been a particularly traumatic week for you Corbyn supporters but you really are grasping at straws now, report me if you like and show yourself for what you are again.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 27, 2015 19:54:54 GMT
Because I'm interested in what you, or the party you clearly support (correct me if I've got that wrong), think about this topic. But if you've nothing to say - that's fair enough. I'll not press it again. I support investment not austerity. I've made that clear on here over the years. Again I'm not sure why you keep asking. And how is that different from what the Tories are doing? I recall asking you about this many times because I'm genuinely interested in what the left are thinking about the economy. And I've seen nothing. So you are right - why keep asking? I'll stop. Because you, like the Labour Party, have no policies or ideas about how to grow the economy.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2015 20:06:23 GMT
Careful now..or I'll be reporting you for abuse and falsehoods. Naughty boy. Grow up I have not abused you in that reply, I have abused to quote you the honourable men as I would any one who can openly defend and honour murdering cowardly terrorists, I understand this has been a particularly traumatic week for you Corbyn supporters but you really are grasping at straws now, report me if you like and show yourself for what you are again. Grow up Or stop drinking.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2015 20:07:48 GMT
I support investment not austerity. I've made that clear on here over the years. Again I'm not sure why you keep asking. And how is that different from what the Tories are doing? I recall asking you about this many times because I'm genuinely interested in what the left are thinking about the economy. And I've seen nothing. So you are right - why keep asking? I'll stop. Because you, like the Labour Party, have no policies or ideas about how to grow the economy. I'm not sure how many times I have to keep repeating myself. So yes, you'd best stop.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 27, 2015 20:09:27 GMT
Grow up I have not abused you in that reply, I have abused to quote you the honourable men as I would any one who can openly defend and honour murdering cowardly terrorists, I understand this has been a particularly traumatic week for you Corbyn supporters but you really are grasping at straws now, report me if you like and show yourself for what you are again. Grow up Or stop drinking. Very poor must try harder 1/10
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 27, 2015 20:20:57 GMT
Very poor must try harder 1/10 No denying it though. Not that I'm judging you!
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 27, 2015 20:29:13 GMT
Very poor must try harder 1/10 No denying it though. Not that I'm judging you! You two should get a room you could discuss Chairman Mao's philosophies or knitting patterns, lentil soup recipes etc., ALF will have room in his flat not that I am judging you of course.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 27, 2015 20:36:15 GMT
No denying it though. Not that I'm judging you! You two should get a room you could discuss Chairman Mao's philosophies or knitting patterns, lentil soup recipes etc., ALF will have room in his flat not that I am judging you of course. It's quite a skill you have to post so much and contribute so little
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 27, 2015 21:48:52 GMT
No denying it though. Not that I'm judging you! You two should get a room you could discuss Chairman Mao's philosophies or knitting patterns, lentil soup recipes etc., ALF will have room in his flat not that I am judging you of course. All those cliches you used there, you learned from us. They're called self deprecation. We love you CarpyXx
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Post by manmarking on Nov 28, 2015 8:27:23 GMT
Not quite sure why you're bringing the IRA into this discussion but if you wantto bring the topic of politicians harbouring terrorists feel free. Let's start with Pinochet eh? I am bringing the IRA into as you claimed Jezza and Johnno were decent honourable man, it's a fact McDonnell wanted to honour some members of the IRA with plaques. I also put a link showing he has been lying about Osbourne making promises on the deficit just the same sort of thing you've been saying about Osbourne. By the way despicable as Pinochet was he did no harm to the UK unlike the IRA. Let's be absolutely fair about this mate. Every politician who's ever existed has had pretty cosy views of at least some people who carry out very bad deeds. Whether that's Jewish terrorists who went on to create Israel, the IRA, the UDF, the Contras, Al Qaeda, IS, Noriega, Gaddafi, Assad, the Shah of Iran, Mandela, Hussein, Mubarak, successive Kings of Saudi, Pinochet (who did harm the UK because he provided a blueprint for Thatcherism at the behest of Milton Friedman but that's another story!).... The list is endless. Plus on the specific issue of the IRA, Thatcher's security forces were happily embedded throughout the 80s killing police and making bombs. At least Jeremy just wanted to sit down and have a chat.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 28, 2015 10:05:42 GMT
I am bringing the IRA into as you claimed Jezza and Johnno were decent honourable man, it's a fact McDonnell wanted to honour some members of the IRA with plaques. I also put a link showing he has been lying about Osbourne making promises on the deficit just the same sort of thing you've been saying about Osbourne. By the way despicable as Pinochet was he did no harm to the UK unlike the IRA. Let's be absolutely fair about this mate. Every politician who's ever existed has had pretty cosy views of at least some people who carry out very bad deeds. Whether that's Jewish terrorists who went on to create Israel, the IRA, the UDF, the Contras, Al Qaeda, IS, Noriega, Gaddafi, Assad, the Shah of Iran, Mandela, Hussein, Mubarak, successive Kings of Saudi, Pinochet (who did harm the UK because he provided a blueprint for Thatcherism at the behest of Milton Friedman but that's another story!).... The list is endless. Plus on the specific issue of the IRA, Thatcher's security forces were happily embedded throughout the 80s killing police and making bombs. At least Jeremy just wanted to sit down and have a chat. Some fair points there but equally not many people have called Mrs T honourable and unless you subscribe to some of Starkiller's theories not many politicians have actively engaged and supported the enemies of their own country.
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Post by manmarking on Nov 28, 2015 10:40:27 GMT
Let's be absolutely fair about this mate. Every politician who's ever existed has had pretty cosy views of at least some people who carry out very bad deeds. Whether that's Jewish terrorists who went on to create Israel, the IRA, the UDF, the Contras, Al Qaeda, IS, Noriega, Gaddafi, Assad, the Shah of Iran, Mandela, Hussein, Mubarak, successive Kings of Saudi, Pinochet (who did harm the UK because he provided a blueprint for Thatcherism at the behest of Milton Friedman but that's another story!).... The list is endless. Plus on the specific issue of the IRA, Thatcher's security forces were happily embedded throughout the 80s killing police and making bombs. At least Jeremy just wanted to sit down and have a chat. Some fair points there but equally not many people have called Mrs T honourable and unless you subscribe to some of Starkiller's theories not many politicians have actively engaged and supported the enemies of their own country. I'll put my cards on the table and say that I agree with a lot of what starkiller says but even mainstream media would accept that plenty of politicians have supported their so-called enemies. A recent example is Cameron trying to help IS get rid of Assad, getting defeated in Commons, and now wanting to attack IS whilst simultaneously indirectly shipping them arms and supporting their main backers like Turkey, Saudi and Qatar. Cf also Iran/Contras, Lockerbie, British security services in Northern Ireland, France/Germany propping up Saddam Hussein etc.
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