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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 20, 2015 16:02:01 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 20, 2015 16:02:24 GMT
With the government still running deficits each month, the UK’s total debt pile is still increasing, according to the ONS. In total, the UK now owes more than £1.5tn, equivalent to 80.5% of GDP. That compares with 69% in 2010/11, Osborne’s first year as chancellor under the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 20, 2015 16:19:18 GMT
Don't worry, Dithering Dave is going to save us all shed loads... By spending £10 million on a nice private jet so he doesn't have to travel with the Plebs anymore.
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Post by Northy on Nov 20, 2015 16:53:44 GMT
The worst October figures in 6 years, a bit of a misleading headline?
The austerity has been slowing down the deficit and the debt, obviously not as much as we'd hoped as the lack of growth in Europe is not helping our eceonomy.
What is your solution then Huddy, to spend, spend, spend and get us even into more debt?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 20, 2015 16:59:48 GMT
The worst October figures in 6 years, a bit of a misleading headline? The austerity has been slowing down the deficit and the debt, obviously not as much as we'd hoped as the lack of growth in Europe is not helping our eceonomy. What is your solution then Huddy, to spend, spend, spend and get us even into more debt? There has to be an alternative does there not? |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Nov 20, 2015 17:02:54 GMT
With the government still running deficits each month, the UK’s total debt pile is still increasing, according to the ONS. In total, the UK now owes more than £1.5tn, equivalent to 80.5% of GDP. That compares with 69% in 2010/11, Osborne’s first year as chancellor under the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government. I thought you were anti austerity though? The debt as a % of GDP will always go up (unless we achieve totally unrealistic growth) whilst any deficit remains. Unless of course you've had an about turn and now want deeper cuts, you old Tory you. |
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Post by Miles Offside on Nov 20, 2015 17:13:01 GMT
With the government still running deficits each month, the UK’s total debt pile is still increasing, according to the ONS. In total, the UK now owes more than £1.5tn, equivalent to 80.5% of GDP. That compares with 69% in 2010/11, Osborne’s first year as chancellor under the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government. Legacy. And I write this from a viewpoint of not supporting any particular party. I've voted both Labour and Tory over the years, depending on who I thought looked most credible at the time. When the coalition came to power they inherited spending plans based on this country borrowing £1 in every £4 it spent. No government, especially a coalition dependent on Lib Dem support, could introduce policies so radical that this could be corrected within a few years. Osborne was foolish in setting the targets he did for the coalition Parliament. They were clearly unachievable. However he has overseen a growth in the economy which is eclipsing most other advanced economies and he's trying to get our overspending under control. I think that's about the best any government can do in the circumstances. The only alternative seems to be Labour's willingness to keep overspending (or even increase it) in the hope that it all comes good in the end. Too many voters, including me, find that incredible. |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 20, 2015 19:41:38 GMT
Should have left Gordon at the helm in 2010. Dull as you like, but a better brain on him than the charlatan Dave. Well done to all who voted for Dave.I know you will be proud of yourselves, cause your the sort never to admit you got it wrong. Lovely people
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Post by owenvadar on Nov 20, 2015 19:51:16 GMT
Should have left Gordon at the helm in 2010. Dull as you like, but a better brain on him than the charlatan Dave. Well done to all who voted for Dave.I know you will be proud of yourselves, cause your the sort never to admit you got it wrong. Lovely people I think that is unfair because people tend to vote for who they consider to be the best person for the job mostly based on their own needs and if most people felt the need to reject Brown then that's something we all have to accept . By 2010 people had had enough of Labour and people will get to the point where they will of had enough of the Torys before long then it will be Labours turn to mess things up again and the circle will repeat itself, in the meantime the public will suffer. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2015 20:08:27 GMT
Don't worry, Dithering Dave is going to save us all shed loads... By spending £10 million on a nice private jet so he doesn't have to travel with the Plebs anymore. It doesn't look good with public but it does save money. And that is fact. That's the thing with stuff like this. Damned either way but it's great for the tabloid headlines. Your post is a tabloid headline because we already have the plane |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2015 20:11:40 GMT
Should have left Gordon at the helm in 2010. Dull as you like, but a better brain on him than the charlatan Dave. Well done to all who voted for Dave.I know you will be proud of yourselves, cause your the sort never to admit you got it wrong. Lovely people I think that is unfair because people tend to vote for who they consider to be the best person for the job mostly based on their own needs and if most people felt the need to reject Brown then that's something we all have to accept . By 2010 people had had enough of Labour and people will get to the point where they will of had enough of the Torys before long then it will be Labours turn to mess things up again and the circle will repeat itself, in the meantime the public will suffer. I would say you are 100% correct but then they elected jezza as leader. That gave the Tories the next election Better the devil you know than the commie you dont |
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Post by owenvadar on Nov 20, 2015 20:18:25 GMT
I think that is unfair because people tend to vote for who they consider to be the best person for the job mostly based on their own needs and if most people felt the need to reject Brown then that's something we all have to accept . By 2010 people had had enough of Labour and people will get to the point where they will of had enough of the Torys before long then it will be Labours turn to mess things up again and the circle will repeat itself, in the meantime the public will suffer. I would say you are 100% correct but then they elected jezza as leader. That gave the Tories the next election Better the devil you know than the commie you dont I don't think that Labour will be elected whilst they have Jeremy Corbyn as leader but I do not think that he will be leader for long , certainly not long term and it is my prediction that Burham will step up to the helm which in turn will make Labour much more electable than they are at this present moment in time. |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 20, 2015 20:56:50 GMT
The worst October figures in 6 years, a bit of a misleading headline? The austerity has been slowing down the deficit and the debt, obviously not as much as we'd hoped as the lack of growth in Europe is not helping our eceonomy. What is your solution then Huddy, to spend, spend, spend and get us even into more debt? There has to be an alternative does there not? The alternative to bleeding to death is not to cut your wrists. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 20, 2015 21:00:32 GMT
Don't worry, Dithering Dave is going to save us all shed loads... By spending £10 million on a nice private jet so he doesn't have to travel with the Plebs anymore. It doesn't look good with public but it does save money. And that is fact. That's the thing with stuff like this. Damned either way but it's great for the tabloid headlines. Your post is a tabloid headline because we already have the plane  |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 20, 2015 21:10:04 GMT
It doesn't look good with public but it does save money. And that is fact. That's the thing with stuff like this. Damned either way but it's great for the tabloid headlines. Your post is a tabloid headline because we already have the plane I lost interest (as usual) when you used a meme you found off some lefty Twitter/Facebook etc instead of engaging in debate |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 20, 2015 21:21:12 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 20, 2015 21:22:08 GMT
I lost interest (as usual) when you used a meme you found off some lefty Twitter/Facebook etc instead of engaging in debate Whats up mate? Struggling with the narrative on there? |
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Post by Gods on Nov 20, 2015 22:08:05 GMT
The worst October figures in 6 years, a bit of a misleading headline? The austerity has been slowing down the deficit and the debt, obviously not as much as we'd hoped as the lack of growth in Europe is not helping our eceonomy. What is your solution then Huddy, to spend, spend, spend and get us even into more debt? There has to be an alternative does there not? No there doesn't. To pay off debt you need to spend less than you collect. Osborne needs to stop twatting about blowing in the breeze every time the left cry 'foul' and make these frigging savings. The Tories were elected to govern not win a daily beauty contest. |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 20, 2015 22:12:24 GMT
Don't worry, Dithering Dave is going to save us all shed loads... By spending £10 million on a nice private jet so he doesn't have to travel with the Plebs anymore. It doesn't look good with public but it does save money. And that is fact. That's the thing with stuff like this. Damned either way but it's great for the tabloid headlines. Your post is a tabloid headline because we already have the plane "fact", "tabloid", $#!t |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 20, 2015 22:31:01 GMT
I lost interest (as usual) when you used a meme you found off some lefty Twitter/Facebook etc instead of engaging in debate Whats up mate? Struggling with the narrative on there? What is there to struggle with as already pointed out, the jet isn't being bought, a RAF refuelling plane is being converted to also carry passengers and will be used for refuelling duties when not needed - so not quite spending £10m on a private jet as it is made out. MP's nursery is just a cheap shot as it's used by all MP's and actually if it's £1m a year again probably saves money if you want to look at the alternative which would surely involve additional protection costs. The £3.6m sounds really good until you realise that's five years costs and of course that's not personal use it is entertaining of official guests etc. So in short it's the usual half truths and deliberate misinterpretation. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 20, 2015 22:35:48 GMT
Whats up mate? Struggling with the narrative on there? What is there to struggle with as already pointed out, the jet isn't being bought, a RAF refuelling plane is being converted to also carry passengers and will be used for refuelling duties when not needed - so not quite spending £10m on a private jet as it is made out. MP's nursery is just a cheap shot as it's used by all MP's and actually if it's £1m a year again probably saves money if you want to look at the alternative which would surely involve additional protection costs. The £3.6m sounds really good until you realise that's five years costs and of course that's not personal use it is entertaining of official guests etc. So in short it's the usual half truths and deliberate misinterpretation. £10 million is still being spent though isn't it? Not sure how it's going to save money either, perhaps Al can help me out with that one. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 21, 2015 0:09:54 GMT
With the government still running deficits each month, the UK’s total debt pile is still increasing, according to the ONS. In total, the UK now owes more than £1.5tn, equivalent to 80.5% of GDP. That compares with 69% in 2010/11, Osborne’s first year as chancellor under the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government. Legacy. And I write this from a viewpoint of not supporting any particular party. I've voted both Labour and Tory over the years, depending on who I thought looked most credible at the time. When the coalition came to power they inherited spending plans based on this country borrowing £1 in every £4 it spent. No government, especially a coalition dependent on Lib Dem support, could introduce policies so radical that this could be corrected within a few years. Osborne was foolish in setting the targets he did for the coalition Parliament. They were clearly unachievable. However he has overseen a growth in the economy which is eclipsing most other advanced economies and he's trying to get our overspending under control. I think that's about the best any government can do in the circumstances. The only alternative seems to be Labour's willingness to keep overspending (or even increase it) in the hope that it all comes good in the end. Too many voters, including me, find that incredible. The problem is that I have absolutely no confidence that Osborne or Cameron have the best interests of the normal person at heart. None at all. I doubt that those millionaires actually understand the normal problems that most people face every day. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 0:13:01 GMT
Legacy. And I write this from a viewpoint of not supporting any particular party. I've voted both Labour and Tory over the years, depending on who I thought looked most credible at the time. When the coalition came to power they inherited spending plans based on this country borrowing £1 in every £4 it spent. No government, especially a coalition dependent on Lib Dem support, could introduce policies so radical that this could be corrected within a few years. Osborne was foolish in setting the targets he did for the coalition Parliament. They were clearly unachievable. However he has overseen a growth in the economy which is eclipsing most other advanced economies and he's trying to get our overspending under control. I think that's about the best any government can do in the circumstances. The only alternative seems to be Labour's willingness to keep overspending (or even increase it) in the hope that it all comes good in the end. Too many voters, including me, find that incredible. The problem is that I have absolutely no confidence that Osborne or Cameron have the best interests of the normal person at heart. None at all. I doubt that those millionaires actually understand the normal problems that most people face every day. They probably don't .....but no less than the millionaires in the opposition parties . |
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 21, 2015 0:32:59 GMT
The worst October figures in 6 years, a bit of a misleading headline? The austerity has been slowing down the deficit and the debt, obviously not as much as we'd hoped as the lack of growth in Europe is not helping our eceonomy. What is your solution then Huddy, to spend, spend, spend and get us even into more debt? To start to solve it... Growth increases income and must be the ultimate aim. Abandon the vanity projects like HS2. We can't afford the 7 Series BMW at the moment so why ransom ourselves for it? Potentially even a more cost effective replacement for Trident. Ensure that all corporations pay tax on where their money is earned. Google, Starbucks, etc. may start to contribute properly to the country then Prosecute tax evaders (like France has done with the Swiss HSBC files) and close tax loop holes (not just talk about it ad nausea). No more sweetheart deals - and revisit all the sweetheart deals made to see if the tax revenue that should have been paid is still owing. Revisit the Overseas Aid budget. It shouldn't be protected and it should be used for proper causes not some of the silly stuff we've seen (TV shows for example). 10% of the budget goes on consultants for a start. PFI - Great idea Gordon. Thanks. And thanks from my kids that will be paying for it. Renegotiate the deals - if so by law - to ensure the country gets value for money. Don't just cut departmental budgets. Change the culture in the departments. Clock watching jobsworths from my experience. They watch the pennies and piss away the hundreds of thousands of pounds. Change the culture and make Government more efficient. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 21, 2015 0:34:20 GMT
The problem is that I have absolutely no confidence that Osborne or Cameron have the best interests of the normal person at heart. None at all. I doubt that those millionaires actually understand the normal problems that most people face every day. They probably don't .....but no less than the millionaires in the opposition parties . Totally agree. We've been run for too long by millionaires who have no experience of normal people's lives. The Torys just have posher richer millionaires. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 0:40:15 GMT
They probably don't .....but no less than the millionaires in the opposition parties . Totally agree. We've been run for too long by millionaires who have no experience of normal people's lives. The Torys just have posher richer millionaires. Well you might as well be authentic about it  |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2015 0:42:28 GMT
I lost interest (as usual) when you used a meme you found off some lefty Twitter/Facebook etc instead of engaging in debate Whats up mate? Struggling with the narrative on there? There was no narrative teacher, just unsubstantiated figures I'm not your mate |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 21, 2015 0:46:08 GMT
What is there to struggle with as already pointed out, the jet isn't being bought, a RAF refuelling plane is being converted to also carry passengers and will be used for refuelling duties when not needed - so not quite spending £10m on a private jet as it is made out. MP's nursery is just a cheap shot as it's used by all MP's and actually if it's £1m a year again probably saves money if you want to look at the alternative which would surely involve additional protection costs. The £3.6m sounds really good until you realise that's five years costs and of course that's not personal use it is entertaining of official guests etc. So in short it's the usual half truths and deliberate misinterpretation. £10 million is still being spent though isn't it? Not sure how it's going to save money either, perhaps Al can help me out with that one. I don't need to help you out. You are a teacher so should under stand maths If they are spending 10m over X amount of years to refit a plane which will save more than hiring other planes surely that's a good thing However typical lefties see the headline not the narrative |
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Post by lastoftheldk on Nov 21, 2015 2:06:36 GMT
Whats up mate? Struggling with the narrative on there? What is there to struggle with as already pointed out, the jet isn't being bought, a RAF refuelling plane is being converted to also carry passengers and will be used for refuelling duties when not needed - so not quite spending £10m on a private jet as it is made out. MP's nursery is just a cheap shot as it's used by all MP's and actually if it's £1m a year again probably saves money if you want to look at the alternative which would surely involve additional protection costs. The £3.6m sounds really good until you realise that's five years costs and of course that's not personal use it is entertaining of official guests etc. So in short it's the usual half truths and deliberate misinterpretation. Can it be a passenger plane and a refuelling plane at the same time. ? |
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Post by Northy on Nov 21, 2015 7:25:01 GMT
The worst October figures in 6 years, a bit of a misleading headline? The austerity has been slowing down the deficit and the debt, obviously not as much as we'd hoped as the lack of growth in Europe is not helping our eceonomy. What is your solution then Huddy, to spend, spend, spend and get us even into more debt? To start to solve it... Growth increases income and must be the ultimate aim. Abandon the vanity projects like HS2. We can't afford the 7 Series BMW at the moment so why ransom ourselves for it? Potentially even a more cost effective replacement for Trident. Ensure that all corporations pay tax on where their money is earned. Google, Starbucks, etc. may start to contribute properly to the country then Prosecute tax evaders (like France has done with the Swiss HSBC files) and close tax loop holes (not just talk about it ad nausea). No more sweetheart deals - and revisit all the sweetheart deals made to see if the tax revenue that should have been paid is still owing. Revisit the Overseas Aid budget. It shouldn't be protected and it should be used for proper causes not some of the silly stuff we've seen (TV shows for example). 10% of the budget goes on consultants for a start. PFI - Great idea Gordon. Thanks. And thanks from my kids that will be paying for it. Renegotiate the deals - if so by law - to ensure the country gets value for money. Don't just cut departmental budgets. Change the culture in the departments. Clock watching jobsworths from my experience. They watch the pennies and piss away the hundreds of thousands of pounds. Change the culture and make Government more efficient. Yep, thats what most of us want to happen but will parliament actually push it through legislation, they are small fixes in the overall income? what major policies need to happen to decrease the deficit and create a surplus, reverse immigration for low skills, stop tax credits, major reduction in rents, build more council run homes etc. Im not sure, thats why I'm into engineering rather than politics and economics |
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