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Post by werrington on Jan 12, 2016 12:06:31 GMT
How long had Valencia got left on his contract? It says he actually signed a 3 year deal for wigan in june 2008 and signed for man utd in jan 2009, 2 & half years? And that's why they got £16m for him
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Post by ryan4england on Jan 12, 2016 12:07:46 GMT
No it doesn't it says he signed 3 year deal at wigan jan 2008 & sogned for man utd june 2009 for 16 million
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 12, 2016 12:11:41 GMT
No it doesn't it says he signed 3 year deal at wigan jan 2008 & sogned for man utd june 2009 for 16 million 3 and half years from Jan 2008, sold in June 2009, so he had 2 full years left on his contract.
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Post by werrington on Jan 12, 2016 12:12:22 GMT
No it doesn't it says he signed 3 year deal at wigan jan 2008 & sogned for man utd june 2009 for 16 million What is it you aren't getting mate ?
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Post by ryan4england on Jan 12, 2016 12:14:48 GMT
No it doesn't it says he signed 3 year deal at wigan jan 2008 & sogned for man utd june 2009 for 16 million What is it you aren't getting mate ? am i wrong in saying he had 18 months left on his contract at wigan when man utd bought him for 16million? In 2009
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 12, 2016 12:16:48 GMT
What is it you aren't getting mate ? am i wrong in saying he had 18 months left on his contract at wigan when man utd bought him for 16million? In 2009 See above ^^
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Post by werrington on Jan 12, 2016 12:20:58 GMT
What is it you aren't getting mate ? am i wrong in saying he had 18 months left on his contract at wigan when man utd bought him for 16million? In 2009 He had a full 2 years left in it as he would of signed until the June Clubs don't do permanent contracts to end mid season
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 12:22:56 GMT
I'm fairly certain the vast majority of contracts are set to end in June, so the 3-year contract signed in Jan 2008 would, in all probability have been set to end in June 2011. Admittedly, this is only guesswork on my part, but that would mean Valencia had two years left on his Wigan contract when Man U signed him.
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Post by ryan4england on Jan 12, 2016 12:32:23 GMT
am i wrong in saying he had 18 months left on his contract at wigan when man utd bought him for 16million? In 2009 He had a full 2 years left in it as he would of signed until the June Clubs don't do permanent contracts to end mid season of course you are right, so the info is wrong on wikipedia they give him a 3 & half year deal. In any case we need to get these players signed up with minimum fee release clauses that allow the player to leave for certain clubs or this situation will continue to happen. We cant expect to get next level players here to do well & then stay for the love of the club on a standard premiership wage, it comes with the territory of moving up the class of players a club of our size brings to the club. The money is there and its not being currently spent on transfer fees so i dont see the problem in giving better wages to our better players knowing that sooner or later clubs like above will come knocking. Its not like the club are paying for it the t.v money is
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Post by ryan4england on Jan 12, 2016 12:46:42 GMT
Are clubs allowed to make a pre-contract agreement with a player 6 months before the players contract expires?
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Post by Northy on Jan 12, 2016 12:53:00 GMT
Are clubs allowed to make a pre-contract agreement with a player 6 months before the players contract expires? yes
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 12, 2016 13:04:57 GMT
He had a full 2 years left in it as he would of signed until the June Clubs don't do permanent contracts to end mid season of course you are right, so the info is wrong on wikipedia they give him a 3 & half year deal. In any case we need to get these players signed up with minimum fee release clauses that allow the player to leave for certain clubs or this situation will continue to happen. We cant expect to get next level players here to do well & then stay for the love of the club on a standard premiership wage, it comes with the territory of moving up the class of players a club of our size brings to the club. The money is there and its not being currently spent on transfer fees so i dont see the problem in giving better wages to our better players knowing that sooner or later clubs like above will come knocking. Its not like the club are paying for it the t.v money is That's true Ryan but we have to accept that the players don't always want to sign.
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Post by ryan4england on Jan 12, 2016 13:13:31 GMT
of course you are right, so the info is wrong on wikipedia they give him a 3 & half year deal. In any case we need to get these players signed up with minimum fee release clauses that allow the player to leave for certain clubs or this situation will continue to happen. We cant expect to get next level players here to do well & then stay for the love of the club on a standard premiership wage, it comes with the territory of moving up the class of players a club of our size brings to the club. The money is there and its not being currently spent on transfer fees so i dont see the problem in giving better wages to our better players knowing that sooner or later clubs like above will come knocking. Its not like the club are paying for it the t.v money is That's true Ryan but we have to accept that the players don't always want to sign. if thats the case with arnautovic then he needs to give his head a wobble, at a guess i suspect with a better basic and a reasonable clause for both parties he'd sign myself he like us knows his value to us and will be very aware of the bumper t.v deal coming into play, let's be honest if we all were him playing for a foreign club we'd be wanting our own slice of the cake aswell . He's got best of both worlds then and a great incentive to reach his clause value & earn his move. That would be good for both parties.
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Post by ryan4england on Jan 12, 2016 13:21:32 GMT
I don't think the club are that daft anyway learning from nzonzi going for peanut. If we can get through january ill give it 2 weeks until he has a contract like said above
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Post by pez75 on Jan 12, 2016 13:50:22 GMT
This Holy trinity thing is getting right on my tits. If they are so good why are we not in the top 6? IMO Ethers was much better and effective than any of the three. Shaq has unbelievable abilty but his form has been patchy. Bojans form is no where near the level it was before his injury. Arnie I agree has been excellent this season and has found a consistency which was previously lacking. Does this run of form justify a big contract. A big fat resounding no from me. For me we'd be better employing a more direct winger with Diouf up front. Your opinion is as valid as anyone elses but I disagree. Arnie is one of our best players. If we want him to sign a new contract then his agent is going to try & negotiate the best deal he can. This is not unusual and is not 'holding the club to ransom'. Your alternative sounds like a step backwards to me. Diouf is useful but is quite frankly not good enough - I do not want to build a team around him. The likes of Shaq, Bojan & Arnie are in a different league to him (not literally obvs) and although they may not prove it every single week, I have never seen any of them have games as poor as some of Dioufs have been. As for Etherington, he was perfect at the time, but the only reason he came to us was because he was in a mess, and in todays game he does not have the all-round game that the current crop have. Moses was a better winger, and he was flawed. We are progressing year on year at the moment and have left the Etherington days behind. Which 'direct winger' were you thinking of by the way? We arguably tried that with Moses, Yarmolenko & Konoplyanka - hardly cheaper alternatives to Arnie? I doubt any of those 3 would settle for what ever Arnie is on now either! Some may prefer the play by numbers, kick & rush approach - "get it up" they shout as we keep the ball & probe (only when teams sit back mind, we counter as quick as anyone IMO). Personally I am more than happy with the way our game is progressing and the players we are signing / trying to keep. This season has the chance of becoming our best ever and I am enjoying every minute of it (well almost...). If it all went tits up and we went down next season it will all have been worth it IMO. For that I have MH to thank and players like Arnie. If we can afford to keep him then keep him we must. Long live the Holy Trinity.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jan 12, 2016 14:51:32 GMT
A player with 12 goals wants 100k pw Oh yes that's 12 goals in 2 seasons If only Arnie was an out and out striker then that could be considered a fair judge of his value...
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Post by Davef on Jan 12, 2016 16:44:03 GMT
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 12, 2016 17:06:34 GMT
Shock horror! Seems like he isn't demanding what many were criticising him for.
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Post by switch on Jan 12, 2016 17:17:11 GMT
Shock horror! Seems like he isn't demanding what many were criticising him for. Hghes was hardly going to publicly slam him in the press for being a moneygrabber though was he? Especially if he wants him to actually SIGN a new deal.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jan 12, 2016 17:17:52 GMT
It was obvious to me a lot of this crap was paper talk. He is probably our best known player by other football fans across the globe, the ones who gobble up these articles on the Mirror etc... He is the one player that gets mentioned to me by glory hunters here in Canada as our outstanding talent. Bojan and Shaq not so much. It's because he is so flamboyent and is well known to the press in Europe. Not surprised they make shit up about him to get people clicking articles from Austria to Canada to Ghana.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Jan 12, 2016 17:26:24 GMT
This Holy trinity thing is getting right on my tits. If they are so good why are we not in the top 6? IMO Ethers was much better and effective than any of the three. Shaq has unbelievable abilty but his form has been patchy. Bojans form is no where near the level it was before his injury. Arnie I agree has been excellent this season and has found a consistency which was previously lacking. Does this run of form justify a big contract. A big fat resounding no from me. For me we'd be better employing a more direct winger with Diouf up front. Your opinion is as valid as anyone elses but I disagree. Arnie is one of our best players. If we want him to sign a new contract then his agent is going to try & negotiate the best deal he can. This is not unusual and is not 'holding the club to ransom'. Your alternative sounds like a step backwards to me. Diouf is useful but is quite frankly not good enough - I do not want to build a team around him. The likes of Shaq, Bojan & Arnie are in a different league to him (not literally obvs) and although they may not prove it every single week, I have never seen any of them have games as poor as some of Dioufs have been. As for Etherington, he was perfect at the time, but the only reason he came to us was because he was in a mess, and in todays game he does not have the all-round game that the current crop have. Moses was a better winger, and he was flawed. We are progressing year on year at the moment and have left the Etherington days behind. Which 'direct winger' were you thinking of by the way? We arguably tried that with Moses, Yarmolenko & Konoplyanka - hardly cheaper alternatives to Arnie? I doubt any of those 3 would settle for what ever Arnie is on now either! Some may prefer the play by numbers, kick & rush approach - "get it up" they shout as we keep the ball & probe (only when teams sit back mind, we counter as quick as anyone IMO). Personally I am more than happy with the way our game is progressing and the players we are signing / trying to keep. This season has the chance of becoming our best ever and I am enjoying every minute of it (well almost...). If it all went tits up and we went down next season it will all have been worth it IMO. For that I have MH to thank and players like Arnie. If we can afford to keep him then keep him we must. Long live the Holy Trinity. I agree with what you say about Bojan, Shaq and Arnie, and I also think they will get even better. All 3 top players we are lucky to have.
I think you do Matthew Etherington a disservice though. Fantastic winger. Our out ball, great ball carrier, fast, could beat his man, good crosser, could come inside, goal threat, good set piece delivery and worked hard to support his full back. Pretty much the complete modern "out and out" genuine winger. The impact of his injury was massive and made us way less effective as a team.
Underated in my opinion. 8 out of 10 every week and a top pro. Definitely one of Tone's best signings and must have been close to the England side in 2010/11.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 17:40:24 GMT
1) NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE SCENES!! 2) YOU CANT MAKE A PLAYER SIGN A FUCKING CONTRACT IF THEY DONT WANT TOO!!! There, I feel better. Hey, we'll have none of that sensible talk around here Mr Pwingy.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 12, 2016 19:46:04 GMT
On an off point how come loads of pictures of players on the Sentinal website they are wearing the old Adidas tops.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 20:27:34 GMT
Anyone on here selling a house? I'd love buy one off one of the mentalists who can't even hack their football team and one of their best players negotiating for more than a week over money.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 13, 2016 14:55:35 GMT
Your opinion is as valid as anyone elses but I disagree. Arnie is one of our best players. If we want him to sign a new contract then his agent is going to try & negotiate the best deal he can. This is not unusual and is not 'holding the club to ransom'. Your alternative sounds like a step backwards to me. Diouf is useful but is quite frankly not good enough - I do not want to build a team around him. The likes of Shaq, Bojan & Arnie are in a different league to him (not literally obvs) and although they may not prove it every single week, I have never seen any of them have games as poor as some of Dioufs have been. As for Etherington, he was perfect at the time, but the only reason he came to us was because he was in a mess, and in todays game he does not have the all-round game that the current crop have. Moses was a better winger, and he was flawed. We are progressing year on year at the moment and have left the Etherington days behind. Which 'direct winger' were you thinking of by the way? We arguably tried that with Moses, Yarmolenko & Konoplyanka - hardly cheaper alternatives to Arnie? I doubt any of those 3 would settle for what ever Arnie is on now either! Some may prefer the play by numbers, kick & rush approach - "get it up" they shout as we keep the ball & probe (only when teams sit back mind, we counter as quick as anyone IMO). Personally I am more than happy with the way our game is progressing and the players we are signing / trying to keep. This season has the chance of becoming our best ever and I am enjoying every minute of it (well almost...). If it all went tits up and we went down next season it will all have been worth it IMO. For that I have MH to thank and players like Arnie. If we can afford to keep him then keep him we must. Long live the Holy Trinity. I agree with what you say about Bojan, Shaq and Arnie, and I also think they will get even better. All 3 top players we are lucky to have.
I think you do Matthew Etherington a disservice though. Fantastic winger. Our out ball, great ball carrier, fast, could beat his man, good crosser, could come inside, goal threat, good set piece delivery and worked hard to support his full back. Pretty much the complete modern "out and out" genuine winger. The impact of his injury was massive and made us way less effective as a team.
Underated in my opinion. 8 out of 10 every week and a top pro. Definitely one of Tone's best signings and must have been close to the England side in 2010/11.
I have not really said anything to the contrary regarding Etherington, and have not done him a disservice - I merely insinuated that he would not fit into the style of our current team. Saying that, 8/10 every week? Come on, even Ethers had some stinkers - usually following a hefty challenge from a full-back early doors (Big Ron used to call them a 'reducer') - he definitely went missing in the odd game or two...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 18:12:15 GMT
I agree with what you say about Bojan, Shaq and Arnie, and I also think they will get even better. All 3 top players we are lucky to have.
I think you do Matthew Etherington a disservice though. Fantastic winger. Our out ball, great ball carrier, fast, could beat his man, good crosser, could come inside, goal threat, good set piece delivery and worked hard to support his full back. Pretty much the complete modern "out and out" genuine winger. The impact of his injury was massive and made us way less effective as a team.
Underated in my opinion. 8 out of 10 every week and a top pro. Definitely one of Tone's best signings and must have been close to the England side in 2010/11.
I have not really said anything to the contrary regarding Etherington, and have not done him a disservice - I merely insinuated that he would not fit into the style of our current team. Saying that, 8/10 every week? Come on, even Ethers had some stinkers - usually following a hefty challenge from a full-back early doors (Big Ron used to call them a 'reducer') - he definitely went missing in the odd game or two... You actually said we'd moved on from Matt which infers that the present incumbents are better than him. They may be more technically gifted but in my opinion Ethers was more effective and consistent. I think he'd be brilliant in this team. Arnie and Shaqiri are similar players and when we play The Holy Trinity as you call them for me we lack variety and that is why a number of teams have found us out. Why limit yourself to a short passing style? Football is most effective when it's mixed up. For me we need a wideman that goes by people and can put in a decent cross. That is always assuming we play a proper centre forward of cause. That's not regressing to Pulisaball that's maximising your attacking options. I really think if we'd put the ball in the box against Liverpool with a proper centre forward wed have got a result.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 18:16:08 GMT
Etherington is the best winger Stoke have had since Chamberlain
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Post by djduncanjames on Jan 13, 2016 18:25:59 GMT
Johnson has helped create on the right tremendously, he get's crosses in
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Post by kurt on Jan 14, 2016 10:25:32 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 15, 2016 6:38:25 GMT
The haters will despise that.
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