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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 16:33:11 GMT
Then what do you do when Ireland comes in and is Mr Inconsistency as usual? He's in form and deserves a chance, just like Charlie, another 'mr inconsistent ' does when he's playing well. You're not wrong in saying he deserves a chance,especially because what we are currently doing obviously isn't working. I just don't think Ireland will be much of a solution.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 12, 2015 16:33:41 GMT
The simple fact is Mark doesn't know his best team and results have gone against us His best team is imo pretty obvious. I don't know why he's trying to be clever. What's his best team
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 16:34:24 GMT
Too many flair players who are crap without the ball and not performing well enough with the ball is a lot of the problem.Can it be fixed ? I bloody hope so. In the short term Wilson back in defence,Cameron in midfield, start Bojan and bring Walters back
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Post by liamo on Sept 12, 2015 16:35:21 GMT
Our issue is that we have to commit 2 or 3 players to do the work of 1 N'zonzi, we can not defend properly and because of that we're not attacking properly, it's only now he's gone that you realise the impact that he had even when he wasn't on the top of his game
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2015 16:35:27 GMT
He's in form and deserves a chance, just like Charlie, another 'mr inconsistent ' does when he's playing well. You're not wrong in saying he deserves a chance,especially because what we are currently doing obviously isn't working. I just don't think Ireland will be much of a solution. He might, he might not but it's got to be worth a go and I don't see why Hughes isn't doing it.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 12, 2015 16:36:25 GMT
I don't for a second think we're relegation material and we'll prove it next week. I hope Bojan starts. He might not be fit enough for 9 minutes but if he can handle 60, he could well be the difference. I would move Geoff into midfield though. Mvg needs time to settle. Why do people keep calling for Cam in the midfield ?. Have you seen him play there
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Post by stokie25 on Sept 12, 2015 16:36:55 GMT
I'm saving this thread for when we finish 9th. Has it not occurred to you the plethora of talent we now have at our disposal? International bullshit out of the way for a bit and the chance to see some of our injured players making a bit of a debut? If anybody listened to Merson and believed we might beat Arsenal at home then I fear more for our fan base than I do the team!!!! If we were soaring right now, like Southampton last year, I'd be the one posting negative drivel waiting for the cards to fall....we'll skin this league looking at results thus far.....slowly, slowly........wish i lived in Mourinho's house right now
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Post by metalhead on Sept 12, 2015 16:36:52 GMT
I don't for a second think we're relegation material and we'll prove it next week. I hope Bojan starts. He might not be fit enough for 9 minutes but if he can handle 60, he could well be the difference. I would move Geoff into midfield though. Mvg needs time to settle. Why do people keep calling for Cam in the midfield ?. Have you seen him play there Yes, I have.
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Post by thisfootballclub on Sept 12, 2015 16:37:01 GMT
All style and no substance at the moment, need to to get a backbone back in the side. Players like Walters and Wilson need to be starting games like today when facing a superior side away from home.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 16:37:27 GMT
With what we have available now, we have to split up Cameron and Muniesa. It isn't working.
The balance in midfield is way off. If we are going to play 4 up front, with split strikers or one and a No. 10 then we need an out and out sitter alongside a carrier.
Whelan is fine for the sitter. The carrier would have to be Cameron but even he is inconsistent.
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Post by mrpickles on Sept 12, 2015 16:41:16 GMT
The simple fact is that N'Zonzi and Shawcross are a massive loss to the side, but I think we're going about replacing them in the wrong way. Wilson is the closest thing we've got to a commanding CB we've got now, so he needs to be in the side. To me, that that is the straight forward answer to that question. We'll still struggle at the back, but that's what we've got.
The N'Zonzi question is a little more complex. We're certainly not going to replace his composure and ability to link defence with attack with what we have in the squad, so our only option is to try and become a bit more solid through the middle. I don't know whether I feel a little sorry for Van Ginkel if I'm honest. He's certainly looked out of his depth so far, but I can't help but wonder if he'd have had more chance to grow into the position next to Whelan if we'd have played 4231 from the start of the season. It's not like we haven't had the personnel to play it either, which is even more baffling as to why we've been going with other formations. If we don't think Van Ginkel is up to it, then I wouldn't be against giving Geoff a go alongside Glenn.
As for the front four, I honestly think they will take care of themselves if we manage to patch up our two glaring deficiencies until January. There's enough ability and footballing intelligence amongst them to build up an understanding if we can provide a bit more of a solid base behind them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2015 16:42:29 GMT
His best team is imo pretty obvious. I don't know why he's trying to be clever. What's his best team It doesn't have Cameron in! Although him in midfield with Whelan as much as it disgusts me as essentially it's Fonzy's replacement is looking more appealing as Van Ginkel looks less and less good. Butland Johnson (Cameron) Shawcross (Wilson) Muni Pieters Whelan Van Ginkel Shaqiri Bojan (Ireland) Arnie Diouf The brackets indicate who need to play in the interim due to injury.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 12, 2015 16:42:53 GMT
Stop conceding, leading to a clean sheet, and also score goals.
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 12, 2015 16:43:28 GMT
I offered a (partial) solution to our defensive problems before the window closed when I said if MH wasn't prepared to play Wollscheid he should unload him and bring in somebody he is prepared to trust. But that can't happen now.
I'd definitely play Wilson at CB, probably with Wollscheid. And I'd push Muniesa forward - especially in away games - to play on the left of a midfield three. It would give the cover our defence needs until Ryan's back.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 12, 2015 16:43:48 GMT
Why do people keep calling for Cam in the midfield ?. Have you seen him play there Yes, I have. When, where. ?
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 12, 2015 16:43:58 GMT
It's still very early days but there are a few worries , away from home in all three games teams have got through us very easily and only great goalkeeping and poor finishing have stopped the goals against total being a lot higher. At the other end very little is being created although you can only count 20 mins of the WBA game in that .
I would get Wilson back instead of muniesa who loses his man too easily . Van ginkel has to go but I'm not sure we can afford to move Cameron until Ryan returns so it's a real problem position I would play Ireland until Bojan is fit to start Walters and Crouch also need to be involved more Joselu is another I really can't see making it Shaquiri has to hit form quickly to create chances but the flair players have to be balanced with grafters or you get what you had today outfought by the likes of Arsenal .
We will know a lot more after the next 3 games which should bring at least 5 points anything less and it is a relegation battle
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Post by woodin43 on Sept 12, 2015 16:46:39 GMT
Maybe learn how to pass the ball to another Stoke player, and stop giving it away inviting more pressure? Maybe instead of using up energy, sitting on your arse and throwing your hands in the air when things don't go for you, getting up and getting on with it? Maybe actually putting some crosses into the box for the strikers to attack rather than getting to the edge of their box and then playing backwards?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 12, 2015 16:49:17 GMT
I offered a (partial) solution to our defensive problems before the window closed when I said if MH wasn't prepared to play Wollscheid he should unload him and bring in somebody he is prepared to trust. But that can't happen now. I'd definitely play Wilson at CB, probably with Wollscheid. And I'd push Muniesa forward - especially in away games - to play on the left of a midfield three. It would give the cover our defence needs until Ryan's back. Biggest mistake made by Hughes buying the ineffective Wolfy and selling a fit Robert Huth, this is coming back to bite him in the bollocks every week, he makes it worse by not playing Wolfy or has he has conceded Wolfy is actually pretty shit and not up to standard.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Sept 12, 2015 16:49:38 GMT
Wilson and Cameron at Centre half then play Muniesa in front of the back four
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 16:51:27 GMT
Not quite reaching for the razor blades yet but we do look very powder puff. The signing of Woolscheid is still baffling and we are really missing a power house midfielder. I see nothing in Joselu that indicates he is any better than what we have. We need to get our bloody acts together.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 16:52:50 GMT
You're not wrong in saying he deserves a chance,especially because what we are currently doing obviously isn't working. I just don't think Ireland will be much of a solution. He might, he might not but it's got to be worth a go and I don't see why Hughes isn't doing it. Dunno. Perhaps he feels the same and doesn't believe Ireland is the answer. Managers can be the most stubborn of stubborn fuckers when they want to be.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2015 16:53:14 GMT
He might, he might not but it's got to be worth a go and I don't see why Hughes isn't doing it. Dunno. Perhaps he feels the same and doesn't believe Ireland is the answer. Managers can be the most stubborn of stubborn fuckers when they want to be. Even if he doesn't he's always rewarded players in form. He's getting it wrong at the Moment.
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 12, 2015 16:59:45 GMT
Wilson is our best CD at this moment, so he should play.
Give Walters the contract he wants and lets get him back on the pitch asap.
Move Cameron in to midfield.
Give Ireland more minutes.
Start with Diouf or Crouch.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 17:02:03 GMT
Dunno. Perhaps he feels the same and doesn't believe Ireland is the answer. Managers can be the most stubborn of stubborn fuckers when they want to be. Even if he doesn't he's always rewarded players in form. He's getting it wrong at the Moment. He's definitely getting something wrong I can't argue with that. For me we needed another centre back and at the minute MVG is offering nowt in the middle of the park. Having said that our players (Butland apart) haven't been anywhere near the standards that they are all capable of so far this season. Hughes going back to the system that has served him well would be a start but perhaps he feels unable to play this system until Bojan is back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 17:12:35 GMT
Dunno. Perhaps he feels the same and doesn't believe Ireland is the answer. Managers can be the most stubborn of stubborn fuckers when they want to be. Even if he doesn't he's always rewarded players in form. He's getting it wrong at the Moment. He's completely and utterly fcuked the Ireland situation. He deserved a league start after Spurs and was dropped at home to West Brom for no fault of his own. It's not exactly motivating and his performance today was chalk to the cheese at Spurs. Arnautovic was also dropped after the Luton game in favour of Afellay on the wing against WBA, where no players came out of the Luton game with any credit and Afellay on the wing fcuked the side up.
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Post by Northy on Sept 12, 2015 17:15:29 GMT
The manager isn't shit n neither are the players imo mate, 4 points at least out of the next two games n it will all settle down, we dropped a major bollock not signing a holding midfielder but we'll be ok. Wasn't Van Ginkel a holding midfielder? More fight and more balance, Woolly and Wilson at centre half, Cameron alongside Whelan,
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 17:18:50 GMT
To all the mentally challenged out there in la la land, according to you all the manager is clueless and the players are shit. What's the solution to get us out of the trouble you think we are in? I think we have tried a little bit too much, too quickly. We will revert to type, struggle to find form, get some and approach a good run around xmas. Personally id drop Van Ginkel for the time being. More than anything, I think we just need an early goal and a clean sheet in a match. Maybe a bit of luck, confidence is massive in football
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Post by rednwhite43 on Sept 12, 2015 17:19:02 GMT
To all the mentally challenged out there in la la land, according to you all the manager is clueless and the players are shit. What's the solution to get us out of the trouble you think we are in? bloody hell here we go again, the solution is that we dont panic and start posting shite after the season has barely had chance to get going, be patient we will be fine two home games now followed by a villa away the points will come .
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 12, 2015 17:21:04 GMT
Even if he doesn't he's always rewarded players in form. He's getting it wrong at the Moment. He's definitely getting something wrong I can't argue with that. For me we needed another centre back and at the minute MVG is offering nowt in the middle of the park. Having said that our players (Butland apart) haven't been anywhere near the standards that they are all capable of so far this season. Hughes going back to the system that has served him well would be a start but perhaps he feels unable to play this system until Bojan is back. If he does feel that way it's mystifying as we did fine with that system before Bojan and our best football this season has come using that system as well.
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Post by Matthews dad on Sept 12, 2015 17:21:40 GMT
Not quite reaching for the razor blades yet but we do look very powder puff. The signing of Woolscheid is still baffling and we are really missing a power house midfielder. I see nothing in Joselu that indicates he is any better than what we have. We need to get our bloody acts together. Over £10million wasted on these two, fukin freightening.
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