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Post by Bowyer83 on Sept 2, 2015 6:18:43 GMT
That's the trouble when you do your business early ....people still think we should spend up until the deadline ....if we'd signed 3 of those players today instead of July and August we'd be buzzing We also broke out transfer record for a fee paid Nail on the head there Wezza!
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 2, 2015 6:31:00 GMT
That's the trouble when you do your business early ....people still think we should spend up until the deadline ....if we'd signed 3 of those players today instead of July and August we'd be buzzing We also broke out transfer record for a fee paid Nail on the head there Wezza! In part true. However, although we broke our transfer record, we are the lowest net spenders, which tells its own story www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-window-net-spend-how-6363390#ICID=sharebar_twitterWe have not replaced Nzonzi at all and even worse, we have no back up for Whelan It has not been a Biscuit of a window, but neither has it been stellar. Mr Hughes has not been backed properly and Mr Scholes words remain hollow and empty We had a great opportunity to push on this season without breaking the bank and we were led to believe that would be the case. This is clearly not the case. At best we have stood still. Perhaps better on the wing, but weaker in midfield and the core of our defense
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Post by Stokeontrent on Sept 2, 2015 6:33:03 GMT
Im convinced we will sign Roberto in januaray and maybe Yarmalenko
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Post by Stokeontrent on Sept 2, 2015 6:34:55 GMT
I'm happy with the business we've done, think we've got a really strong squad & can't wait for the next match. A third top ten finish in-a-row looks a real strong possibility, great time to be a Stoke fan. Does it? Man city Arsenal Man united Chelsea Tottenham Liverpool Everton Southampton Swansea Crystal palace west ham Newcastle I would say are all certain to finish above us
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 7:17:52 GMT
^I doubt that it's a shoe-in that Newcastle, Southampton and Wet Sham will finish above us. Swansea, Palace and Everton are more difficult to call (squads look good) but I think 9th/10th is still a good bet.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 2, 2015 7:30:22 GMT
Im convinced we will sign Roberto in januaray and maybe Yarmalenko We've not spent any money in January under Hughes. A loan will be the best we get done.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 2, 2015 7:39:54 GMT
I'm sick of hearing how we sold our best players.
They both engineered situations where we had to sell them
Bego had to go because of his contract and the fact we still had jack butland
Zonz had to go because of contract and attitude. Maybe not his but defo his dad's
It was not good for squad and money to keep them.
Replacing zonz would always be an ask but in players like Ireland we still have options.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 7:56:46 GMT
Im convinced we will sign Roberto in januaray and maybe Yarmalenko We've not spent any money in January under Hughes. A loan will be the best we get done. That depends on where we are in the table. If we pick up between now and then we won't do anything. If we don't then I can see a panic station effect a la Villa and Darren Bent.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 8:02:30 GMT
If Stoke's aim is to 'push on' each year then the transfer windows leaves us with more questions than answers at this point. A lot relies on Shaqiri being the superstar that we all hope for, and for Bojan to hit the ground running. And on Van Ginkel.
I don't think we're in any danger of relegation but if we're talking of the 7th - 15th place mini league, I'm not as confident as I was when the window opened, which is a bit of a surprise.
It's surprising that we've barely had a rumour of a direct N'Zonzi replacement (until Jedinak), the closet we've come to it being addressed before then was a Martin Spinks hint that Cameron might be our man.
Hughes has built his success at Stoke on a 4-2-3-1, with N'Zonzi feeding the ball to pacy wide players. I thought we'd be building on that but players to execute that plan seem a little thin on the ground. They exist but we're keeping our fingers crossed re injury and form.
Perhaps fears are heightened slightly by a few jitters after 2 points from 12...
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Post by baystokie on Sept 2, 2015 10:33:19 GMT
Don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere but here goes - The Daily Telegraph has rated all 20 Prem clubs in respect of their summer signings and, surprise, surprise, Stoke are THIRD with a verdict of a 'very successful summer'
Now I know that's just another opinion but it is from outside the red and white bespectacled fraternity and is just as valid a response as any other.
Maybe others see us in a different light to ourselves?
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 2, 2015 11:49:11 GMT
Managed to get this in the wrong thread, it's more suited to this one:
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I started thinking it had been a break even for me but...looking at it, there are clearly more in the (-) than the (+)
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Not transfer related per se but Ryan's back injury - while I fully understand that you don't rush to back surgery, it has been apparent for some time that it wasn't going away. Unlike others though, I didn't subscribe to the clamour to get ano top end CB in the meantime. We are well stocked with CB cover. My preferred solution (which predated our 'move') was better cover in front of them - see Jedinak
SNZ departure (not yet 'replaced' by MVG and while the signs are there he can be the man, he needs to develop quickly). Clearly MLH loves him and we have to trust him to get him settled and playing. Echoes of Bojan's early misfiring starts?
The beyond baffling signing of a 5th choice CB in Woolly
The so far uninspiring freebie Affellay; too flighty for me - not robust enough for the centre, not fast enough any more for the wing and petulant enough to be a liability
* The failure to land the Jedi on the last day - I have always thought he would have suited us anyway but, right now he would have been perfect to stiffen up the spine. OK, he's 31 so short term or not, we'd be better with him than not today.
* That said, the failure to land a ready made, ready to go, SNZ replacement before the Jedi crisis - we had enough warning from his Dad That he would depart, but I do worry we have struggled to attract the real deal, next level players as we fish in the more exclusive ponds
The failure to persuade VM to sign. Arnie isn't suddenly going to become Mr Consistent overnight and, on his day, he was different gravy.
The failure to land Yarmo at our last opportunity (when he goes free agent, we'll get out gunned by bigger clubs and deeper pockets). Not strictly necessary, granted, but when you have a real sniff at a talent like that, I say you have to go for it
The failure to offload obvious candidates: Tex, Bardsley & ideally, Sidwell
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Bego's departure - had we not got JB - more than ready and able to step up, this would have been a (-) but can anyone say he's been missed? Given the funds it generated and Jack's potential, nearer the (+) then the (-)
Happy also with keepers # 2 & #3.
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A world-class addition in Shaq. Settle in sunshine and dazzle. Simple.
That said, there is an obvious caveat, I do worry that we do still struggle with the real deal, next level signings - due undoubtedly to our horrendous Pulisball hangover (see moans about Shaq going into the wilderness or Sturkis' less than complimentary comments for e.g.) Being honest, the ones we have landed have all had some element of dog's home in the mix
GJ: proving a good addition in his own right obvs but much more than that, it means no more Bardsley - a truly woeful addition from a previous window
Not to to be underestimated - the fund of goodwill that MLH has (by and large). The team clearly needs time to settle and, the (-)s aside, he deserves that time to get the blend right
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 2, 2015 12:00:57 GMT
Managed to get this in the wrong thread, it's more suited to this one:
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I started thinking it had been a break even for me but...looking at it, there are clearly more in the (-) than the (+)
(-)
Not transfer related per se but Ryan's back injury - while I fully understand that you don't rush to back surgery, it has been apparent for some time that it wasn't going away. Unlike others though, I didn't subscribe to the clamour to get ano top end CB in the meantime. We are well stocked with CB cover. My preferred solution (which predated our 'move') was better cover in front of them - see Jedinak
SNZ departure (not yet 'replaced' by MVG and while the signs are there he can be the man, he needs to develop quickly). Clearly MLH loves him and we have to trust him to get him settled and playing. Echoes of Bojan's early misfiring starts?
The beyond baffling signing of a 5th choice CB in Woolly
The so far uninspiring freebie Affellay; too flighty for me - not robust enough for the centre, not fast enough any more for the wing and petulant enough to be a liability
* The failure to land the Jedi on the last day - I have always thought he would have suited us anyway but, right now he would have been perfect to stiffen up the spine. OK, he's 31 so short term or not, we'd be better with him than not today.
* That said, the failure to land a ready made, ready to go, SNZ replacement before the Jedi crisis - we had enough warning from his Dad That he would depart, but I do worry we have struggled to attract the real deal, next level players as we fish in the more exclusive ponds
The failure to persuade VM to sign. Arnie isn't suddenly going to become Mr Consistent overnight and, on his day, he was different gravy.
The failure to land Yarmo at our last opportunity (when he goes free agent, we'll get out gunned by bigger clubs and deeper pockets). Not strictly necessary, granted, but when you have a real sniff at a talent like that, I say you have to go for it
The failure to offload obvious candidates: Tex, Bardsley & ideally, Sidwell
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Bego's departure - had we not got JB - more than ready and able to step up, this would have been a (-) but can anyone say he's been missed? Given the funds it generated and Jack's potential, nearer the (+) then the (-)
Happy also with keepers # 2 & #3.
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A world-class addition in Shaq. Settle in sunshine and dazzle. Simple.
That said, there is an obvious caveat, I do worry that we do still struggle with the real deal, next level signings - due undoubtedly to our horrendous Pulisball hangover (see moans about Shaq going into the wilderness or Sturkis' less than complimentary comments for e.g.) Being honest, the ones we have landed have all had some element of dog's home in the mix
GJ: proving a good addition in his own right obvs but much more than that, it means no more Bardsley - a truly woeful addition from a previous window
Not to to be underestimated - the fund of goodwill that MLH has (by and large). The team clearly needs time to settle and, the (-)s aside, he deserves that time to get the blend right
No offence mate but you posting in blue makes it difficult to read (for me anyway). On the off chance that you have something sensible to say I wouldn't bother to read it
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Post by baystokie on Sept 2, 2015 12:18:56 GMT
Managed to get this in the wrong thread, it's more suited to this one:
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I started thinking it had been a break even for me but...looking at it, there are clearly more in the (-) than the (+)
(-)
Not transfer related per se but Ryan's back injury - while I fully understand that you don't rush to back surgery, it has been apparent for some time that it wasn't going away. Unlike others though, I didn't subscribe to the clamour to get ano top end CB in the meantime. We are well stocked with CB cover. My preferred solution (which predated our 'move') was better cover in front of them - see Jedinak
SNZ departure (not yet 'replaced' by MVG and while the signs are there he can be the man, he needs to develop quickly). Clearly MLH loves him and we have to trust him to get him settled and playing. Echoes of Bojan's early misfiring starts?
The beyond baffling signing of a 5th choice CB in Woolly
The so far uninspiring freebie Affellay; too flighty for me - not robust enough for the centre, not fast enough any more for the wing and petulant enough to be a liability
* The failure to land the Jedi on the last day - I have always thought he would have suited us anyway but, right now he would have been perfect to stiffen up the spine. OK, he's 31 so short term or not, we'd be better with him than not today.
* That said, the failure to land a ready made, ready to go, SNZ replacement before the Jedi crisis - we had enough warning from his Dad That he would depart, but I do worry we have struggled to attract the real deal, next level players as we fish in the more exclusive ponds
The failure to persuade VM to sign. Arnie isn't suddenly going to become Mr Consistent overnight and, on his day, he was different gravy.
The failure to land Yarmo at our last opportunity (when he goes free agent, we'll get out gunned by bigger clubs and deeper pockets). Not strictly necessary, granted, but when you have a real sniff at a talent like that, I say you have to go for it
The failure to offload obvious candidates: Tex, Bardsley & ideally, Sidwell
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Bego's departure - had we not got JB - more than ready and able to step up, this would have been a (-) but can anyone say he's been missed? Given the funds it generated and Jack's potential, nearer the (+) then the (-)
Happy also with keepers # 2 & #3.
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A world-class addition in Shaq. Settle in sunshine and dazzle. Simple.
That said, there is an obvious caveat, I do worry that we do still struggle with the real deal, next level signings - due undoubtedly to our horrendous Pulisball hangover (see moans about Shaq going into the wilderness or Sturkis' less than complimentary comments for e.g.) Being honest, the ones we have landed have all had some element of dog's home in the mix
GJ: proving a good addition in his own right obvs but much more than that, it means no more Bardsley - a truly woeful addition from a previous window
Not to to be underestimated - the fund of goodwill that MLH has (by and large). The team clearly needs time to settle and, the (-)s aside, he deserves that time to get the blend right
A few random comments - Replace Nzonzi - agree necessity but we are not YET seen as a preferred destination by players of his ilk (or better) Jedinak - his reps tried to move the financial goalposts (allegedly) so walk away at that stage Moses - wanted to stay in London - QED Yarmo - Sturkis would make us wait till hell freezes over -so no go Sell Tex, Bardsley and Sidwell - to whom? if no bids, no sale I suspect quite a few clubs had players they wanted IN whose deals collapsed for one reason or another as well as players they wanted OUT who never attracted a bid - but we'll never know, will we? We tend to forget transfer deal in people who can be awkward, contrary, bloody minded - it's not FM
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 2, 2015 13:24:11 GMT
Here we go the usual response to anybody that question/comments on anything Quite a few ostrich's on here tonight View AttachmentNo window is ever perfect (unless you have the gazillions Man City have and you can just pick who you want and splash the cash). Are there a few worrying gaps in our squad? Yes. Did we make some excellent signings? Yes. Did we get rid of a few players who needed to go? Yes. Did we get rid of players who wanted to go at a decent price? Yes. That doesn't sound too bad to me. As I look at the squad now, with Shawcross and Bojan still to come back, Van Ginkel, Joselu and Shaq yet to fully settle and after watching the fight back at Spurs and the 9 man effort to take the game to a lacklustre Pulisball team, I feel more optimistic than most. Talk of Hughes having lost the plot (crazy), the window being a shambolic disaster (massive overreaction), are so ludicrous as to be positively laughable. As ever, let's get to Christmas, and see what we make of our start to the season then. Knee jerk reactions at the start of September are invariably wide of the mark - this time last year the signing of Bojan was deemed a disaster by many.
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Post by StokieNath on Sept 2, 2015 13:30:09 GMT
^I doubt that it's a shoe-in that Newcastle, Southampton and Wet Sham will finish above us. Swansea, Palace and Everton are more difficult to call (squads look good) but I think 9th/10th is still a good bet. Soufhampton and the barcodes have being chucking money around the window mate. It's to early to call IMO
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 2, 2015 13:40:17 GMT
No offence mate but you posting in blue makes it difficult to read (for me anyway). On the off chance that you have something sensible to say I wouldn't bother to read it Non taken. Your prerogative. Your loss.
No offence.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 2, 2015 13:41:58 GMT
Managed to get this in the wrong thread, it's more suited to this one:
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I started thinking it had been a break even for me but...looking at it, there are clearly more in the (-) than the (+)
(-)
Not transfer related per se but Ryan's back injury - while I fully understand that you don't rush to back surgery, it has been apparent for some time that it wasn't going away. Unlike others though, I didn't subscribe to the clamour to get ano top end CB in the meantime. We are well stocked with CB cover. My preferred solution (which predated our 'move') was better cover in front of them - see Jedinak
This is a toughie: back ops are big deals, so I can see why the club hoped rest would cure it. Once we knew he'd need an op, the die had been cast with Wolly signed (did we have an option not to?)and Huth through the exit.
SNZ departure (not yet 'replaced' by MVG and while the signs are there he can be the man, he needs to develop quickly). Clearly MLH loves him and we have to trust him to get him settled and playing. Echoes of Bojan's early misfiring starts?
We need to give MVG chance to show if he is the answer in there, without Afellay stepping on his toes, and with Ireland, then Bojan, playing in front of him as a genuine number 10. Hughes seems to think so, but we still only have him on loan.
The beyond baffling signing of a 5th choice CB in Woolly Did we have a choice or did the number of games he played last season mean we had to buy him? Either way, most would have preferred 10m or so spent on a truly worthy starting CB, especially after the news of Ryan's op (not known at time we bought PW)
The so far uninspiring freebie Affellay; too flighty for me - not robust enough for the centre, not fast enough any more for the wing and petulant enough to be a liability Agree he has not impressed too much to date, but give him time to adjust to our league - he will probably be bench cover once all settled, and not bad bench cover at that.
* The failure to land the Jedi on the last day - I have always thought he would have suited us anyway but, right now he would have been perfect to stiffen up the spine. OK, he's 31 so short term or not, we'd be better with him than not today.It all came down to a payment due from Palarse which they tried to push onto us, which we did right to reject. Again, if we felt an extra defensive CM was needed, we should have started to negotiate before 31st August. Sidwell is not a reassuring presence in his stead!
* That said, the failure to land a ready made, ready to go, SNZ replacement before the Jedi crisis - we had enough warning from his Dad That he would depart, but I do worry we have struggled to attract the real deal, next level players as we fish in the more exclusive pondsBiggest bollock dropped this summer - MVG is a loan and a gamble, when we needed a permanent, strong, imposing, athletic, leader in the middle of the park
The failure to persuade VM to sign. Arnie isn't suddenly going to become Mr Consistent overnight and, on his day, he was different gravy. VM wanted to be in London. If he had wanted to come to Stoke, we'd have signed him. You can't make a player sign if he doesn't want to. Afellay is no compensation either.
The failure to land Yarmo at our last opportunity (when he goes free agent, we'll get out gunned by bigger clubs and deeper pockets). Not strictly necessary, granted, but when you have a real sniff at a talent like that, I say you have to go for it Kiev chairman made this impossible - not our fault. We moved on to Shaq instead.
The failure to offload obvious candidates: Tex, Bardsley & ideally, SidwellTo sell players, other clubs must want to buy them at a fee you are happy with - wages will have made dropping down a league a non-starter.
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Bego's departure - had we not got JB - more than ready and able to step up, this would have been a (-) but can anyone say he's been missed? Given the funds it generated and Jack's potential, nearer the (+) then the (-)
Happy also with keepers # 2 & #3. Agreed - we are all good on this front. Having JB lined up was a masterstroke.
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A world-class addition in Shaq. Settle in sunshine and dazzle. Simple.A world class player - a mahoosive coup for the club.
That said, there is an obvious caveat, I do worry that we do still struggle with the real deal, next level signings - due undoubtedly to our horrendous Pulisball hangover (see moans about Shaq going into the wilderness or Sturkis' less than complimentary comments for e.g.) Being honest, the ones we have landed have all had some element of dog's home in the mixAs we buy one after another of genuinely talented players, it will be easier to get others, but it takes time.
GJ: proving a good addition in his own right obvs but much more than that, it means no more Bardsley - a truly woeful addition from a previous windowAs long as he remembers he is a right back, we'll be fine. Agreed that Bardsley has proved a shocker.
Not to to be underestimated - the fund of goodwill that MLH has (by and large). The team clearly needs time to settle and, the (-)s aside, he deserves that time to get the blend rightExactly - outside of Stokies, most see us as having had a very good window (Mirror ranks us 4th out of PL 20). We signed 1 superstar, a few solid pros and a few with potential to do very well, given time.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 2, 2015 13:47:21 GMT
Quite a few ostrich's on here tonight No window is ever perfect (unless you have the gazillions Man City have and you can just pick who you want and splash the cash). Are there a few worrying gaps in our squad? Yes. Did we make some excellent signings? Yes. Did we get rid of a few players who needed to go? Yes. Did we get rid of players who wanted to go at a decent price? Yes. That doesn't sound too bad to me. As I look at the squad now, with Shawcross and Bojan still to come back, Van Ginkel, Joselu and Shaq yet to fully settle and after watching the fight back at Spurs and the 9 man effort to take the game to a lacklustre Pulisball team, I feel more optimistic than most. Talk of Hughes having lost the plot (crazy), the window being a shambolic disaster (massive overreaction), are so ludicrous as to be positively laughable. As ever, let's get to Christmas, and see what we make of our start to the season then. Knee jerk reactions at the start of September are invariably wide of the mark - this time last year the signing of Bojan was deemed a disaster by many. Decent price really ? both well short in comparison with other deals done this summer, we should have kept Zonz as we did not have still not got an adequate replacement, we have penny pinched again our net spend confirms that, we have signed possibly our worst CB since Steven Tweed and sold a match fit Huth to compound it knowing Ryan was likely to be out for a while, we have bought a striker who looks as slow as Crouch, a winger who is as slow as SJW we have missed a huge opportunity to move to the next level as the club promised us, 12 in and we are 3 players short still good business or bad ?
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 2, 2015 13:57:22 GMT
No window is ever perfect (unless you have the gazillions Man City have and you can just pick who you want and splash the cash). Are there a few worrying gaps in our squad? Yes. Did we make some excellent signings? Yes. Did we get rid of a few players who needed to go? Yes. Did we get rid of players who wanted to go at a decent price? Yes. That doesn't sound too bad to me. As I look at the squad now, with Shawcross and Bojan still to come back, Van Ginkel, Joselu and Shaq yet to fully settle and after watching the fight back at Spurs and the 9 man effort to take the game to a lacklustre Pulisball team, I feel more optimistic than most. Talk of Hughes having lost the plot (crazy), the window being a shambolic disaster (massive overreaction), are so ludicrous as to be positively laughable. As ever, let's get to Christmas, and see what we make of our start to the season then. Knee jerk reactions at the start of September are invariably wide of the mark - this time last year the signing of Bojan was deemed a disaster by many. Decent price really ? both well short in comparison with other deals done this summer, we should have kept Zonz as we did not have still not got an adequate replacement, we have penny pinched again our net spend confirms that, we have signed possibly our worst CB since Steven Tweed and sold a match fit Huth to compound it knowing Ryan was likely to be out for a while, we have bought a striker who looks as slow as Crouch, a winger who is as slow as SJW we have missed a huge opportunity to move to the next level as the club promised us, 12 in and we are 3 players short still good business or bad ? Decent price - yes, as both wanted to leave, would not sign new contracts and had one year left on their current ones. SNZ wanted to go, so we got the best price we could - if we kept him and he sulked through the season and left on a Bosman, many on here would blame us for not getting cash for him this summer! We did not want or need a "Berahino"! CB - we bought PW and sold RH before we knew the extent of Ryan's injury, and maybe the PW deal was done at the time of the loan, so we could not back out. MVG/Joselu - yeah, let's write both of them off three weeks into the season. Affelay - an odd acquisition, I grant you, but more than likely a bench filler who can cover a few areas once all fit. We can only buy players who want to come, sell players that others want to buy. I see you choose to avoid mention of Shaqiri.......but that would not fit in with the doom and gloom message, would it? On net spend - would you say Southampton's window has been a disaster too? Their net spend is around ours. Also see mickmillslovechild's excellent post on the 'net spend' thread - it is such a red herring.
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Post by baystokie on Sept 2, 2015 15:08:21 GMT
Here's an interesting piece.
Chelsea have loaned Chalobah to Napoli.
The Napoli coach is reported as saying - 'I know little about him. If the management have brought him in, he must be talented. I just train whoever the club provide to me'
I can imagine the response on here if we had adopted this process.
How would managers in England react?
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Post by Titan Uranus on Sept 2, 2015 18:11:11 GMT
How do I feel?
Let down....
We've pissed about on the Jedi deal...and fooked up.
We haven't replaced Ryan
We haven't brought in another winger
We haven't tried to get rid of Sidwell.
Let us all hope that it doesn't come back to bite us.
Poor show.
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Post by themistocles on Sept 2, 2015 18:22:18 GMT
Here's an interesting piece. Chelsea have loaned Chalobah to Napoli. The Napoli coach is reported as saying - 'I know little about him. If the management have brought him in, he must be talented. I just train whoever the club provide to me' I can imagine the response on here if we had adopted this process. How would managers in England react? Ask mclaren at Newcastle
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Post by baystokie on Sept 2, 2015 18:24:03 GMT
How do I feel? Let down.... We've pissed about on the Jedi deal...and fooked up. We haven't replaced Ryan We haven't brought in another winger We haven't tried to get rid of Sidwell. Let us all hope that it doesn't come back to bite us. Poor show. I continue to be amazed at what gets posted - WE pissed about on the Jedi deal?? - it was his reps who tried to change the financial goalposts late on as has been stated often enough on here. We haven't replaced Ryan - true, but any replacement would have been a lesser quality somebody a club wanted rid of. No club would want to sell someone who could replace Ryan's quality. We haven't brought in another winger - Hughes doesn't think we need one We haven't tried to get rid of Sidwell - you know this for a fact? if so, how? You can't sell if there's no buyers, no matter how hard you try to sell Better show than many expected.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 2, 2015 18:29:10 GMT
Decent price really ? both well short in comparison with other deals done this summer, we should have kept Zonz as we did not have still not got an adequate replacement, we have penny pinched again our net spend confirms that, we have signed possibly our worst CB since Steven Tweed and sold a match fit Huth to compound it knowing Ryan was likely to be out for a while, we have bought a striker who looks as slow as Crouch, a winger who is as slow as SJW we have missed a huge opportunity to move to the next level as the club promised us, 12 in and we are 3 players short still good business or bad ? Decent price - yes, as both wanted to leave, would not sign new contracts and had one year left on their current ones. SNZ wanted to go, so we got the best price we could - if we kept him and he sulked through the season and left on a Bosman, many on here would blame us for not getting cash for him this summer! We did not want or need a "Berahino"! CB - we bought PW and sold RH before we knew the extent of Ryan's injury, and maybe the PW deal was done at the time of the loan, so we could not back out. MVG/Joselu - yeah, let's write both of them off three weeks into the season. Affelay - an odd acquisition, I grant you, but more than likely a bench filler who can cover a few areas once all fit. We can only buy players who want to come, sell players that others want to buy. I see you choose to avoid mention of Shaqiri.......but that would not fit in with the doom and gloom message, would it? On net spend - would you say Southampton's window has been a disaster too? Their net spend is around ours. Also see mickmillslovechild's excellent post on the 'net spend' thread - it is such a red herring. Why in gods name would a condition of a loan deal include a clause that you have to buy that player at the end of it , we knew Ryan had the back problems well before the end of last season, most people realise that back problems are very rarely short term issues, let's face it the club fucked this up big time even the manager who bought Wolfy is very reluctant to play him why? As for the others I am only going on the evidence I have seen so far, hopefully Shaqiri will fulfil the hype that has been generated with his signing, we are a weaker team than we were at the end of last season not what the club prophesised is it, 12 in nett spend £3.3 million and we are scratching around at the last minute to bring in a mid field player from Crystal Palace what does that say about VG and Afellay ? Joselu over £5million did we need another slow forward ?
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Post by stokiesteve on Sept 2, 2015 18:39:55 GMT
I've gotta be honest, I'm really worried about our defence and deep midfield.
Ryan being out is a major blow as is Nzonzi going, and Begovic going too we have had the spine ripped out of our team.
Jedi was a possible replacement in a different way and form for Nzonzi, he would have added the steel that we are currently missing. And being an Aussie he would have added positivity to the dressing room. I do think the club's hierarchy are sticking too rigidly to their policies and with the lack of activity around the stadium expansion this summer I am wondering if they are bottling it a little bit.
A message is being sent out that we think we have reached our ceiling and we are no longer willing to show some balls and make snap decisions on players contracts as well as expanding the club. This is negative in my opinion.
Granted we have signed some fantastic players in the attacking area of the team but without that grit and a player to do the dirty work at the back its going to leave us weak and exposed, especially against the likes of Arse, Citeh and Chelski. The big defenders have gone. Huth is a mistake and Ryan is knackered this season although I think his heart is still in the club. I like Munisia but he needs a strong lad alongside him and Wolly just isn't ready yet, he has a very youthful way about him when things go wrong.
Time will tell and I am hoping my concerns are far fetched.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Sept 2, 2015 19:24:17 GMT
How do I feel? Let down.... We've pissed about on the Jedi deal...and fooked up. We haven't replaced Ryan We haven't brought in another winger We haven't tried to get rid of Sidwell. Let us all hope that it doesn't come back to bite us. Poor show. I continue to be amazed at what gets posted - WE pissed about on the Jedi deal?? - it was his reps who tried to change the financial goalposts late on as has been stated often enough on here. We haven't replaced Ryan - true, but any replacement would have been a lesser quality somebody a club wanted rid of. No club would want to sell someone who could replace Ryan's quality. We haven't brought in another winger - Hughes doesn't think we need one We haven't tried to get rid of Sidwell - you know this for a fact? if so, how? You can't sell if there's no buyers, no matter how hard you try to sell Better show than many expected. I continue to be amazed by the heads up arse, happy clapping attitude being generated on this board at the moment. If we had really wanted Jedi we would have sorted it weeks ago. Ryan's situation is different ... we should have had a contingency in place (Wooly not being one of them) Hughes doesn't think we want another winger eh? to quote your words "you know this for a fact?" We've been chasing wingers all summer (as well as Shaqiri before you start) Regarding Sidwell.... there must be a host of Championship Clubs who would snap him up on loan ,,, if we helped out with the wages. Did you see the comment about we couldn't buy Jedi unless Walters was shipped out. Money. Look... I know where we've come from and all that guff ... but if we have got ideas to play with the big boys and break into that elusive "second-tier" of Premiership Clubs (as stated by the Management) .... we're sure not showing it.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 2, 2015 19:47:03 GMT
I never cease to be amazed at the negativity of so many posters on Oatcake.
We have signed some excellent players this window and invested in the future.
Many posters are like spoilt children who've received loads of Christmas presents but are not satisfied, upset they didn't get what they wanted, and jealous of what others have got.
I think N'Zonzi was our player of the season, but he was not that great. No top side in England or Europe were slightly interested in buying him. (Seville are not a top European side IMO.)
I think we are going to have a great season when the new players settle in, and will gather momentum.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Sept 2, 2015 19:56:28 GMT
I never cease to be amazed at the negativity of so many posters on Oatcake. We have signed some excellent players this window and invested in the future. Many posters are like spoilt children who've received loads of Christmas presents but are not satisfied, upset they didn't get what they wanted, and jealous of what others have got. I think N'Zonzi was our player of the season, but he was not that great. No top side in England or Europe were slightly interested in buying him. (Seville are not a top European side IMO.) I think we are going to have a great season when the new players settle in, and will gather momentum. I never cease to be amazed how many people continue to be amazed
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 2, 2015 19:56:57 GMT
How do I feel? Let down.... We've pissed about on the Jedi deal...and fooked up. We haven't replaced Ryan We haven't brought in another winger We haven't tried to get rid of Sidwell. Let us all hope that it doesn't come back to bite us. Poor show. I continue to be amazed at what gets posted - WE pissed about on the Jedi deal?? - it was his reps who tried to change the financial goalposts late on as has been stated often enough on here. We haven't replaced Ryan - true, but any replacement would have been a lesser quality somebody a club wanted rid of. No club would want to sell someone who could replace Ryan's quality. We haven't brought in another winger - Hughes doesn't think we need one We haven't tried to get rid of Sidwell - you know this for a fact? if so, how? You can't sell if there's no buyers, no matter how hard you try to sell Better show than many expected. Everyone was aware that Ryan was struggling with back problems long before we signed Wally and sold Huth, a fit Huth is just about as perfect a replacement for Ryan as you could wish for, he proved his fitness at Leicester over four months and Hughes still deemed it good business to sell him to a rival WTF was that about. We now have a dedicated CB who can not even get on to the bench, self inflicted issue by the manager.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 2, 2015 20:03:33 GMT
I think we have made a massive gamble.We are trying to compete and supposingly break in to the top eight with players who have been discarded by the rest.And Im not set on Shaqiri yet he was like an headless chicken last game all be it with a certain amount of skill.A little like Arnie.
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