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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2015 19:25:21 GMT
I think he'll do well but we'll have Peter Crouch either doing nothing or strangely starting cup games like a weight around our neck. I just find it unnecessary. I can see your point but if Diouf is injured for an extended period and you give me the choice to play Joselu, Crouch or Walters upfront I'd pick Joselu. Crouch is a great option but I'd want someone a bit more mobile and for that reason I think Joselu is the man. Then you don't give Crouch a new deal and rely on MBD, Joselu, Walters and Wingie. Which is more than enough. No need for Crouch there.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 1, 2015 19:25:44 GMT
Thankfully the window is now closed and we go with what we have got. Have no intention of making judgements after four games but if pushed think the nine against eleven demonstrated that we are nothing like as poor as some would have us believe.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 1, 2015 19:26:20 GMT
Wow i am a little surprised at so many who are happy with our window. If you look at the deals
Outgoings in an over priced market when bang average players are fetching ridiculous fees Begovic sale come on how many would have predicted him being sold for less than 10m? Nzonzi sale he was our stellar man player of the season and the huge hole in midfield is there to see....compared to other deals he was an absolute snip I know these guys had to leave but surely they went at a cut price.....poor return on our best assets Huth sale decent fee for Robert but surely given Shawcross back problems and these were known before Huth left he would have been more valuable to us than being sold....poor business
Incomings Johnson....good deal and signing improves us at right back 2 x Keepers good business for little outlay Wolly.....seemingly Hughes rated him but now is 5th choice to start...absolute disaster of a signing Afellay....he was free so we signed him. Not quick enough for a winger and we don't need yet another No 10...poor signing MVG........maybe not the direct Nzonzi replacement but will ave to often fill the big mans boots in midfield. Decent squad player but to ask him to influence games like Nzonzi is naive. He was seemingly an 'ok we will take him' choice as our first choice as a loanee as part of the Bego deal was the Arse cheek lad who plays wide only Chelsea wouldn't let him go out on loan. Also the fact that Hughes was scrambling around at a few minutes to 6 to bring in more midfield reinforcements suggest we fucked up big time in improving our midfield Joselu....can only be one for the future still behind Crouch for me and puts no pressure whatsoever on Diouf as the main striker...poor signing Shaq......Absolute rock the city signing. Thankfully if that deal had gone pear shaped wtf??!!!
The Squad is unbalanced Lack a decent 3rd wide player No back up for Whelan lets hope he doesn't get injured No attempt to even find a decent replacement for Nzonzi No decent striker to compete with Diouf...lets hope he doesn't get injured either! No leader at the back of the defense in front of an inexperienced keeper We spent net 3m in an age where clubs are awash with money Bet 365 will be delighted. Clearly the window has been dictated by financial constraints and we have missed a major opportunity to progress. we will be OK but if Mark Hughes can engineer an improvement on last season he truly is a magician. I doubt he will though. Poor window missed opportunity
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 1, 2015 19:27:39 GMT
Lets hope its not this season with the riches on offer next season.Very very risky strategy as i keep saying. On Sky now that we couldn't agree terms with Jedenak!!!!! I expect season tickets to be significantly reduced in price come April. The Supporters Council need to start lobbying the club now. You mean those season tickets which prices have been held for how many years now?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2015 19:38:07 GMT
He's saying that we didn't really need Joselu because he and Crouch are similar types of players, both technically good but neither with much pace. I don't really follow your logic, why would you specifically not want Crouch to cover Diouf but you would want Joselu to do so? Surely ideally you'd want somebody who had similar attributes to Diouf to come in if he was out for any period of time. All the reports I've read and heard about joselu are that he's rapid. Is that incorrect? Which reports are these Dave, got any links?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 1, 2015 19:40:20 GMT
Signing Shaqiri was a massive coup. I'm happy overall.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 1, 2015 19:40:32 GMT
We are weaker in one area. We are indeed weaker straight down the middle of the team.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 1, 2015 19:42:41 GMT
Wow i am a little surprised at so many who are happy with our window. If you look at the deals Outgoings in an over priced market when bang average players are fetching ridiculous fees Begovic sale come on how many would have predicted him being sold for less than 10m? Nzonzi sale he was our stellar man player of the season and the huge hole in midfield is there to see....compared to other deals he was an absolute snip I know these guys had to leave but surely they went at a cut price.....poor return on our best assets Huth sale decent fee for Robert but surely given Shawcross back problems and these were known before Huth left he would have been more valuable to us than being sold....poor business Incomings Johnson....good deal and signing improves us at right back 2 x Keepers good business for little outlay Wolly.....seemingly Hughes rated him but now is 5th choice to start...absolute disaster of a signing Afellay....he was free so we signed him. Not quick enough for a winger and we don't need yet another No 10...poor signing MVG........maybe not the direct Nzonzi replacement but will ave to often fill the big mans boots in midfield. Decent squad player but to ask him to influence games like Nzonzi is naive. He was seemingly an 'ok we will take him' choice as our first choice as a loanee as part of the Bego deal was the Arse cheek lad who plays wide only Chelsea wouldn't let him go out on loan. Also the fact that Hughes was scrambling around at a few minutes to 6 to bring in more midfield reinforcements suggest we fucked up big time in improving our midfield Joselu....can only be one for the future still behind Crouch for me and puts no pressure whatsoever on Diouf as the main striker...poor signing Shaq......Absolute rock the city signing. Thankfully if that deal had gone pear shaped wtf??!!! The Squad is unbalanced Lack a decent 3rd wide player No back up for Whelan lets hope he doesn't get injured No attempt to even find a decent replacement for Nzonzi No decent striker to compete with Diouf...lets hope he doesn't get injured either! No leader at the back of the defense in front of an inexperienced keeper We spent net 3m in an age where clubs are awash with money Bet 365 will be delighted. Clearly the window has been dictated by financial constraints and we have missed a major opportunity to progress. we will be OK but if Mark Hughes can engineer an improvement on last season he truly is a magician. I doubt he will though. Poor window missed opportunity Hard to quibble with much of that, but if the offers for Bego and N'Zonzi weren't there, hard to see what we could do? Just surprised bigger English teams weren't in the mix for N'Zonzi to push the price higher. If we avoid injuries, we could still finish around 10th and have some real fun along the way, but we're going to need a following wind and the odd injury could now really cripple us. Lots of clubs can say the same thing when they see a late deal fail at the 11th hour, but if we knew we needed another midfielder, frustrating that we apparently waited until August 31st to pursue it when we're so cash-rich. All in all (and I know it's easy to get too big for your boots in this league) given how we were so beautifully primed last May, it's been pretty disappointing.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 1, 2015 19:46:52 GMT
As the net spend is so low, it definitely indicates we could have tweaked the balance between "cute" cheapies and more expensive sure things - certainly regarding Wolly. If he was more a sure thing, people wouldn't be having the kittens they're currently having with the defence. And, as has been said many times, the season will now be made or broken on MVG fulfilling his potential. Replacing N'Zonzi was the key addition of the summer and we had to have the freedom to bring in a £10m+ player if needed. To put all that pressure on a young loanee is a huge call. Too early to be definitive, but unclear where Afellay fits. Signing Wolly was bordering on incompetence in the circumstances, VG is never going to fill the void left by the departure of Zonz, it looks like Afellay fits the bench god knows where the hell Joselu fits in, all in all a disappointing window after signing 12 players we still needed 3 , pretty sure we are weaker team than finished the last season big opportunity missed and we may well pay for it this time.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2015 19:49:30 GMT
All the reports I've read and heard about joselu are that he's rapid. Is that incorrect? Which reports are these Dave, got any links? You should know by now that I aren't sad enough to trawl through such things, let alone keep a log of them so I can post it on here. I remember a report in the sentinel commenting on how quick he was and Hughes also commenting about his mobility. When we signed him some bloke on talk sport commented on his speed and quality whilst stressing that he'd won more aerial duals in the previous season than any other player. I uttered the words "I thought he was supposed to be quick" at Norwich and also jokingly compared his speed to that of Lewis Buxton who pulis described as "lightening". Edit - it is far too early to comment on joselu as yet. He's barely played the equivalent of 1 half of football for us.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 1, 2015 19:49:50 GMT
I am very pleased with the business done. It's a shame 2 of our best player wanted to leave "for CL football" and Moses made it quite clear he thinks he is better than Stoke City, but I'm delighted quality players have joined the club. We have also made some sound investments for the future. The "glass half empty" merchants are having a field day at the moment, but I'm confident MH will prove them wrong. 4 games is too soon to decide we have a sound defence which has conceded less goals than most teams! We were beaten by a piece of brilliance by Liverpool, and have held it together under severe pressure and adverse circumstances in the other matches and not been trounced. When the new players are fully bedded in, I'm confident we can not only expect a top half finish but. with the depth of strength we now have, excellent cup campaigns.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 1, 2015 19:54:27 GMT
Wow i am a little surprised at so many who are happy with our window. If you look at the deals Outgoings in an over priced market when bang average players are fetching ridiculous fees Begovic sale come on how many would have predicted him being sold for less than 10m? Nzonzi sale he was our stellar man player of the season and the huge hole in midfield is there to see....compared to other deals he was an absolute snip I know these guys had to leave but surely they went at a cut price.....poor return on our best assets Huth sale decent fee for Robert but surely given Shawcross back problems and these were known before Huth left he would have been more valuable to us than being sold....poor business Incomings Johnson....good deal and signing improves us at right back 2 x Keepers good business for little outlay Wolly.....seemingly Hughes rated him but now is 5th choice to start...absolute disaster of a signing Afellay....he was free so we signed him. Not quick enough for a winger and we don't need yet another No 10...poor signing MVG........maybe not the direct Nzonzi replacement but will ave to often fill the big mans boots in midfield. Decent squad player but to ask him to influence games like Nzonzi is naive. He was seemingly an 'ok we will take him' choice as our first choice as a loanee as part of the Bego deal was the Arse cheek lad who plays wide only Chelsea wouldn't let him go out on loan. Also the fact that Hughes was scrambling around at a few minutes to 6 to bring in more midfield reinforcements suggest we fucked up big time in improving our midfield Joselu....can only be one for the future still behind Crouch for me and puts no pressure whatsoever on Diouf as the main striker...poor signing Shaq......Absolute rock the city signing. Thankfully if that deal had gone pear shaped wtf??!!! The Squad is unbalanced Lack a decent 3rd wide player No back up for Whelan lets hope he doesn't get injured No attempt to even find a decent replacement for Nzonzi No decent striker to compete with Diouf...lets hope he doesn't get injured either! No leader at the back of the defense in front of an inexperienced keeper We spent net 3m in an age where clubs are awash with money Bet 365 will be delighted. Clearly the window has been dictated by financial constraints and we have missed a major opportunity to progress. we will be OK but if Mark Hughes can engineer an improvement on last season he truly is a magician. I doubt he will though. Poor window missed opportunity no doubt the happy clappers will be up in arms, the truth hurts and your summary is pretty much spot on, it stinks of attempting to save money yet again, the Wolfy signing beggars belief I can not get my head around that signing a Brek Shea signing if ever there was one, VG was a loan carrot to sweeten been arse raped by Chelsea on the Bego deal, as you say missed opportunity is this down to the manager or the bean counters whoever it is wants a kick in the bollocks.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 1, 2015 19:55:05 GMT
I can see your point but if Diouf is injured for an extended period and you give me the choice to play Joselu, Crouch or Walters upfront I'd pick Joselu. Crouch is a great option but I'd want someone a bit more mobile and for that reason I think Joselu is the man. Then you don't give Crouch a new deal and rely on MBD, Joselu, Walters and Wingie. Which is more than enough. No need for Crouch there. It's a fair point but I think Crouch is a great option to have on the bench if we need to launch it forward in the later stages of the game, especially if Joselu was injured. All of our strikers provide something slightly different and they're good options to have, particularly when Wingie and Walters have played the majority of their games at Stoke out wide.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 1, 2015 19:59:05 GMT
I am very pleased with the business done. It's a shame 2 of our best player wanted to leave "for CL football" and Moses made it quite clear he thinks he is better than Stoke City, but I'm delighted quality players have joined the club. We have also made some sound investments for the future. The "glass half empty" merchants are having a field day at the moment, but I'm confident MH will prove them wrong. 4 games is too soon to decide we have a sound defence which has conceded less goals than most teams! We were beaten by a piece of brilliance by Liverpool, and have held it together under severe pressure and adverse circumstances in the other matches and not been trounced. When the new players are fully bedded in, I'm confident we can not only expect a top half finish but. with the depth of strength we now have, excellent cup campaigns. The two of our best players were still under contract we did not have to sell them, they could moan and whinge all they wanted we were far to quick to except the offers on the table we should have grown a pair but we caved in at the sight of a profit, some of the signings look well below the standard required in this league.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2015 20:02:09 GMT
Which reports are these Dave, got any links? You should know by now that I aren't sad enough to trawl through such things, let alone keep a log of them so I can post it on here. I remember a report in the sentinel commenting on how quick he was and Hughes also commenting about his mobility. When we signed him some bloke on talk sport commented on his speed and quality whilst stressing that he'd won more aerial duals in the previous season than any other player. I uttered the words "I thought he was supposed to be quick" at Norwich and also jokingly compared his speed to that of Lewis Buxton who pulis described as "lightening". Edit - it is far too early to comment on joselu as yet. He's barely played the equivalent of 1 half of football for us. It's not too early to comment on stuff we already know Dave. He isn't rapid and he won more aerial duals in the Bundesliga last season than any other player. He's technically very good, he's good at holding up play and is excellent at bringing other players into the game. He's much more similar to Crouch than Diouf. Which isn't a criticism of course.
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Post by stokemark on Sept 1, 2015 20:04:24 GMT
Two things remain mystifying
Replacing Nzonzi with a loanee who has never played in the league before
Signing a centre half who is not deemed good enough to replace (or even sit on the bench) a key player who there was a major question mark about when it came to his long term fitness
We have, as a first 11, fallen short and now face the prospect of a long hard winter
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2015 20:04:48 GMT
You should know by now that I aren't sad enough to trawl through such things, let alone keep a log of them so I can post it on here. I remember a report in the sentinel commenting on how quick he was and Hughes also commenting about his mobility. When we signed him some bloke on talk sport commented on his speed and quality whilst stressing that he'd won more aerial duals in the previous season than any other player. I uttered the words "I thought he was supposed to be quick" at Norwich and also jokingly compared his speed to that of Lewis Buxton who pulis described as "lightening". Edit - it is far too early to comment on joselu as yet. He's barely played the equivalent of 1 half of football for us. It's not too early to comment on stuff we already know Dave. He isn't rapid and he won more aerial duals in the Bundesliga last season than any other player. He's technically very good, he's good at holding up play and is excellent at bringing other players into the game. He's much more similar to Crouch than Diouf. Which isn't a criticism of course. From what I saw of him in pre season and in his late cameo at spurs, he looks like he could be a very good player for us.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2015 20:07:43 GMT
It's not too early to comment on stuff we already know Dave. He isn't rapid and he won more aerial duals in the Bundesliga last season than any other player. He's technically very good, he's good at holding up play and is excellent at bringing other players into the game. He's much more similar to Crouch than Diouf. Which isn't a criticism of course. From what I saw of him in pre season and in his late cameo at spurs, he looks like he could be a very good player for us. Nobody has said anything to the contrary.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 1, 2015 20:11:51 GMT
Wow i am a little surprised at so many who are happy with our window. If you look at the deals Outgoings in an over priced market when bang average players are fetching ridiculous fees Begovic sale come on how many would have predicted him being sold for less than 10m? Nzonzi sale he was our stellar man player of the season and the huge hole in midfield is there to see....compared to other deals he was an absolute snip I know these guys had to leave but surely they went at a cut price.....poor return on our best assets Huth sale decent fee for Robert but surely given Shawcross back problems and these were known before Huth left he would have been more valuable to us than being sold....poor business Incomings Johnson....good deal and signing improves us at right back 2 x Keepers good business for little outlay Wolly.....seemingly Hughes rated him but now is 5th choice to start...absolute disaster of a signing Afellay....he was free so we signed him. Not quick enough for a winger and we don't need yet another No 10...poor signing MVG........maybe not the direct Nzonzi replacement but will ave to often fill the big mans boots in midfield. Decent squad player but to ask him to influence games like Nzonzi is naive. He was seemingly an 'ok we will take him' choice as our first choice as a loanee as part of the Bego deal was the Arse cheek lad who plays wide only Chelsea wouldn't let him go out on loan. Also the fact that Hughes was scrambling around at a few minutes to 6 to bring in more midfield reinforcements suggest we fucked up big time in improving our midfield Joselu....can only be one for the future still behind Crouch for me and puts no pressure whatsoever on Diouf as the main striker...poor signing Shaq......Absolute rock the city signing. Thankfully if that deal had gone pear shaped wtf??!!! The Squad is unbalanced Lack a decent 3rd wide player No back up for Whelan lets hope he doesn't get injured No attempt to even find a decent replacement for Nzonzi No decent striker to compete with Diouf...lets hope he doesn't get injured either! No leader at the back of the defense in front of an inexperienced keeper We spent net 3m in an age where clubs are awash with money Bet 365 will be delighted. Clearly the window has been dictated by financial constraints and we have missed a major opportunity to progress. we will be OK but if Mark Hughes can engineer an improvement on last season he truly is a magician. I doubt he will though. Poor window missed opportunity Take a bow son take a bow
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 1, 2015 20:15:07 GMT
There's more knicker wetting on here tonight than at an Incontinent Octagenarian Spinsters Club's outing to a Daniel O'Donnell concert! Damn!!!
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 1, 2015 20:17:05 GMT
There's more knicker wetting on here tonight than at an Incontinent Octagenarian Spinsters Club's outing to a Daniel O'Donnell concert! Damn!!! Here we go the usual response to anybody that question/comments on anything
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2015 20:22:25 GMT
From what I saw of him in pre season and in his late cameo at spurs, he looks like he could be a very good player for us. Nobody has said anything to the contrary. I've obviously imagined the pointless signing comments, waste of space comments and generally using him as an example of money wasted. For that, please accept my sincere apologies.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2015 20:24:53 GMT
Nobody has said anything to the contrary. I've obviously imagined the pointless signing comments, waste of space comments and generally using him as an example of money wasted. For that, please accept my sincere apologies. Maybe you should be quoting them and not me then mate ... You're dragging me into a beef that's got fook all to do with me!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2015 20:28:42 GMT
I've obviously imagined the pointless signing comments, waste of space comments and generally using him as an example of money wasted. For that, please accept my sincere apologies. Maybe you should be quoting them and not me then mate ... You're dragging me into a beef that's got fook all to do with me! I'm not dragging you into anything. I asked you a genuine question because you, unlike me, seem to have a knowledge of players plying their trade on foreign shores. I was under the impression that one of joselu's assets was that to go with his obvious size, he's also quick.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 1, 2015 20:29:29 GMT
I've obviously imagined the pointless signing comments, waste of space comments and generally using him as an example of money wasted. For that, please accept my sincere apologies. Maybe you should be quoting them and not me then mate ... You're dragging me into a beef that's got fook all to do with me! Be careful Paul because Johnno is on the warpath because someone had the nerve to mention 45 points
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 1, 2015 20:34:45 GMT
There's more knicker wetting on here tonight than at an Incontinent Octagenarian Spinsters Club's outing to a Daniel O'Donnell concert! Damn!!! Here we go the usual response to anybody that question/comments on anything Quite a few ostrich's on here tonight Attachment Deleted
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 1, 2015 20:34:30 GMT
Maybe you should be quoting them and not me then mate ... You're dragging me into a beef that's got fook all to do with me! I'm not dragging you into anything. I asked you a genuine question because you, unlike me, seem to have a knowledge of players plying their trade on foreign shores. I was under the impression that one of joselu's assets was that to go with his obvious size, he's also quick. And I answered your question. But then you went on about him being a potentially a good player, which really didn't have any relevance to anything I'd said on this thread. If you've got an issue with people who don't rate him, take it up with them Dave. I'm really not sure why we're having this conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 20:35:27 GMT
Wow i am a little surprised at so many who are happy with our window. If you look at the deals Outgoings in an over priced market when bang average players are fetching ridiculous fees Begovic sale come on how many would have predicted him being sold for less than 10m? Nzonzi sale he was our stellar man player of the season and the huge hole in midfield is there to see....compared to other deals he was an absolute snip I know these guys had to leave but surely they went at a cut price.....poor return on our best assets Huth sale decent fee for Robert but surely given Shawcross back problems and these were known before Huth left he would have been more valuable to us than being sold....poor business Incomings Johnson....good deal and signing improves us at right back 2 x Keepers good business for little outlay Wolly.....seemingly Hughes rated him but now is 5th choice to start...absolute disaster of a signing Afellay....he was free so we signed him. Not quick enough for a winger and we don't need yet another No 10...poor signing MVG........maybe not the direct Nzonzi replacement but will ave to often fill the big mans boots in midfield. Decent squad player but to ask him to influence games like Nzonzi is naive. He was seemingly an 'ok we will take him' choice as our first choice as a loanee as part of the Bego deal was the Arse cheek lad who plays wide only Chelsea wouldn't let him go out on loan. Also the fact that Hughes was scrambling around at a few minutes to 6 to bring in more midfield reinforcements suggest we fucked up big time in improving our midfield Joselu....can only be one for the future still behind Crouch for me and puts no pressure whatsoever on Diouf as the main striker...poor signing Shaq......Absolute rock the city signing. Thankfully if that deal had gone pear shaped wtf??!!! The Squad is unbalanced Lack a decent 3rd wide player No back up for Whelan lets hope he doesn't get injured No attempt to even find a decent replacement for Nzonzi No decent striker to compete with Diouf...lets hope he doesn't get injured either! No leader at the back of the defense in front of an inexperienced keeper We spent net 3m in an age where clubs are awash with money Bet 365 will be delighted. Clearly the window has been dictated by financial constraints and we have missed a major opportunity to progress. we will be OK but if Mark Hughes can engineer an improvement on last season he truly is a magician. I doubt he will though. Poor window missed opportunity Youve basically put there how I feel. I don't know whether to say I 100% agree with this or just thanks for putting down what I wanted say
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 1, 2015 20:36:43 GMT
Maybe you should be quoting them and not me then mate ... You're dragging me into a beef that's got fook all to do with me! I'm not dragging you into anything. I asked you a genuine question because you, unlike me, seem to have a knowledge of players plying their trade on foreign shores. I was under the impression that one of joselu's assets was that to go with his obvious size, he's also quick. When they said he was lightening what they actually meant was that he ever rarely strikes twice, he's quick compared to what maybe Wolly in training.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2015 20:37:53 GMT
I'm not dragging you into anything. I asked you a genuine question because you, unlike me, seem to have a knowledge of players plying their trade on foreign shores. I was under the impression that one of joselu's assets was that to go with his obvious size, he's also quick. And I answered your question. But then you went on about him being a potentially a good player, which really didn't have any relevance to anything I'd said on this thread. If you've got an issue with people who don't rate him, take it up with them Dave. I'm really not sure why we're having this conversation. Conversations evolve don't they? I didn't realise that you were so important that having had my one question answered that was my lot. I'll leave you to it!
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