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Post by ryouonthistrain on Aug 30, 2015 9:01:35 GMT
The wander of a linesman was running on before the "stamp" even happened. So did he think one had already occurred? When motd showed him coming down on his ankle the linesman was almost to him. Plus that much slow motion will make it look like a stamp?
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 30, 2015 9:06:19 GMT
Irrespective of what other teams' players get away with, both red cards were deserved. Affelay raised his hand and slapped Gardener (straight red) and Adam stamped on the player who fouled him (red card). Affelay is an idiot, and Adam is a serial offender at that exact same offence. By all means make your cases about whether referees are biased or not against us, but don't lose sight of the issues at hand. If another team had done those things to Stoke players then I would be seething if they got away with it. My take on the Baggies players is that Gardner should have got a straight red as well as Charlie, and the player who fouled Adam should have been given a yellow for scissor tackling him.
But don't expect fair refereeing from Michael Oliver. He's a 1st class cunt who thinks it makes him a big guy to show bias against Stoke.
OS.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 9:09:15 GMT
I've got to be honest. I watched it last night on match of the day, and Charlie was stupid. He did slightly stand on the guy, and in my mind didn't need to do it. He knew what he'd done, and therefore tried to get out of it by trying to help the lad up. The Afellay thing was nothing more than handbags, and a more sensible ref would have just given a yellow ( but not that muppet yesterday). In the Leicester game Huthy grave the other lad a much harder push in the face and got away with it. It's all down to which over officious ref you get on the day. Also getting back to Huth, he kicked the ball at the lad that was on the ground and should have gone for that IMHO.
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Post by kurt on Aug 30, 2015 9:11:17 GMT
The more times I see it the more it looks deliberate. Like others have said Adam is standing with his left foot firmly planted on the turf.He could have taken his right foot off their player but instead he leans in,puts all his weight on his right foot and even stands on 1 leg momentarily. That´s the exact description of the scene. I like Charlie, but it is what it is....stupidity, cause he did it on purpose.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 30, 2015 9:13:47 GMT
Confused now. Sunday supplement on sky just all agreed that affelay shouldn't have been sent off as theirs nothing in the rules to say you can't raise your hands. Appeal then? They can't increase it going on previous appeals this season.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 30, 2015 9:33:22 GMT
Confused now. Sunday supplement on sky just all agreed that affelay shouldn't have been sent off as theirs nothing in the rules to say you can't raise your hands. Appeal then? They can't increase it going on previous appeals this season. Haven't seen the show, what did they say about the Adam one mate?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 9:33:59 GMT
Confused now. Sunday supplement on sky just all agreed that affelay shouldn't have been sent off as theirs nothing in the rules to say you can't raise your hands. Appeal then? They can't increase it going on previous appeals this season. I would imagine it's classed as violent conduct then
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 12:07:22 GMT
Sportsman, if that's the case they should use Huth's lash out as evidence, as someone has mentioned on another thread. I believe it was pure and utter vindictiveness by Oliver. It was nothing more than schoolgirl stuff by both players, and was the beginning of ruining the game. In fact the ref should be dropped a division for such a shocking piece of refereeing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2015 22:46:08 GMT
Just been speaking to my Dad in Mexico who didn't know the Stoke score or how the game went.
I told him Adam had got sent off and before I finished his reply came "was it for a stamp?".
That's the reputation he's built. That's what he's got to play against. And heck he needs to stop stamping on people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 22:48:27 GMT
Just been speaking to my Dad in Mexico who didn't know the Stoke score or how the game went. I told him Adam had got sent off and before I finished his reply came "was it for a stamp?". That's the reputation he's built. That's what he's got to play against. And heck he needs to stop stamping on people. Well that's it then. It's all settled. Bayern's owd mon has spoken.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2015 22:51:38 GMT
Just been speaking to my Dad in Mexico who didn't know the Stoke score or how the game went. I told him Adam had got sent off and before I finished his reply came "was it for a stamp?". That's the reputation he's built. That's what he's got to play against. And heck he needs to stop stamping on people. Well that's it then. It's all settled. Bayern's owd mon has spoken. He doesn't need to, it was clearly a red card.
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 30, 2015 22:51:58 GMT
He has the reputation he's earned
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Post by upthefud on Aug 30, 2015 23:21:00 GMT
I certainly don't think it's clear cut whatsoever.
Charlie isn't an athletic bloke, he gets caught in a ricket of legs and as he rocks back to maintain his balance he has to put pressure on his forward foot. Unfortunately this forward foot is already on the defenders leg.
There's no stamp movement, possibly trod on the bloke but it's one that you'll see not given more often than given.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2015 23:23:16 GMT
No one where I sit was surprised to see him walk. He did enough to ask a question. We all thought he was meant it and was a dick. I still do. That's good enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 23:36:25 GMT
He meant it, got what he deserved. It'll perhaps make him think twice inthe future, but I doubt it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2015 23:38:11 GMT
He hasn't learned from the previous 293 so why will he from another?
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Post by Gods on Aug 30, 2015 23:38:39 GMT
He trod on the inside of the knee of the WBA player on purpose, it was as clear as day. If you don't believe me then just watch the way we don't appeal it. I was going to say 'he wouldn't have a leg to stand on' but that would seem inappropriate somehow
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 30, 2015 23:40:24 GMT
The whole thing reminds me of Ryan having a penalty called on him for holding a player in the box last season. In both cases our player had a reputation, which Charlie most definitely has a reputation for stamping as does/did Ryan for grappling on corners. However I think it was especially harsh in both instances, As both are cases of the punishment having more to do with reputation than the actual act that was being penalized.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2015 23:42:17 GMT
The whole thing reminds me of Ryan having a penalty called on him for holding a player in the box last season. In both cases our player had a reputation, which Charlie most definitely has a reputation for stamping as does/did Ryan for grappling on corners. However I think it was especially harsh in both instances, As both are cases of the punishment having more to do with reputation than the actual act that was being penalized. He's only got himself to blame.
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Post by Gods on Aug 30, 2015 23:43:25 GMT
The whole thing reminds me of Ryan having a penalty called on him for holding a player in the box last season. In both cases our player had a reputation, which Charlie most definitely has a reputation for stamping as does/did Ryan for grappling on corners. However I think it was especially harsh in both instances, As both are cases of the punishment having more to do with reputation than the actual act that was being penalized. I think the difference is that everyone holds everyone else at every corner ever taken so to pick Ryan out for the only penalty for this ever given was just bizarre. On the other hand most players are able to go past a strewn body on the pitch without treading on it most of the time but for some reason Charlie (and I do love him) just can't help himself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 0:12:32 GMT
Adam definitely a red card offence. Over zealous linesman I agree, but Charlie boy was asking for trouble the moment he decided to weigh down his foot on the inside of the players thigh while on the ground. NOT A STAMP DOWN.
Affelay's was also a red, but he should not have been walking on his own in that instance.
Long and short of it all is, both players concerned well and truly took the bait after being wound up. Their game plan worked a treat.
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