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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Aug 29, 2015 20:09:05 GMT
It clearly wasn't the same force,Gardener put his finger to Affelays face quite gently, Affelay slapped him If that's a slap then I guess were going to have to redefine what constitutes serious assault. My arse was it a slap. It's irrelevant. Why is Gardner putting any part of his hand on Affelay's face? Two reds or two yellows were the only options. Unless you're Michael Oliver. Sent from my GT-I8190N using proboards
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Post by imho on Aug 29, 2015 20:16:40 GMT
If that's a slap then I guess were going to have to redefine what constitutes serious assault. My arse was it a slap. It's irrelevant. Why is Gardner putting any part of his hand on Affelay's face? Two reds or two yellows were the only options. Unless you're Michael Oliver. Sent from my GT-I8190N using proboards Touching someone's face isn't violent conduct, slapping is. On Adam I had I great view (linesman's side,higher up) and Adam new what he was doing, just like he did against the arse. Both a bit harsh but both reds.
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 29, 2015 20:27:00 GMT
It's irrelevant. Why is Gardner putting any part of his hand on Affelay's face? Two reds or two yellows were the only options. Unless you're Michael Oliver. Sent from my GT-I8190N using proboards Touching someone's face isn't violent conduct, slapping is. On Adam I had I great view (linesman's side,higher up) and Adam new what he was doing, just like he did against the arse. Both a bit harsh but both reds. Your not allowed to raise your hands to someone's face full stop he did regardless of force and Adam did not stamp. Pulis got the fookers play acting and playing dirty little wind up tricks and we basically got "Stoked" as some might say.
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Post by Ayupshag on Aug 29, 2015 20:42:37 GMT
If affellay is a red card the game is a fuckin mess. Might as well take the posts down and fuckin pack it all in
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Post by Simon Drainrod on Aug 29, 2015 20:49:11 GMT
Total joke, both red cards. And I am normally level headed about such things. Don't think I have ever sen a softer red than Affeley's. Ridiculous.
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Post by imho on Aug 29, 2015 21:14:49 GMT
Squeekster - no where does it say you can't raise your hands or touch someone's face. It is all about the 'violence' and by that I mean it's the intent and the force. Hence why it's a red card. The ' can't raise your hands' thing is purely media. I do agree it would be easier to go with not allowing the raising of hands full stop though.
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 29, 2015 21:20:19 GMT
Squeekster - no where does it say you can't raise your hands or touch someone's face. It is all about the 'violence' and by that I mean it's the intent and the force. Hence why it's a red card. The ' can't raise your hands' thing is purely media. I do agree it would be easier to go with not allowing the raising of hands full stop though. Pretty sure that it is an FA rule that you cant raise your hands to someone's face and attempt to hit/touch what so ever.
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Post by dazzler on Aug 29, 2015 21:28:09 GMT
Affelay is indefensible. You just can't raise your hands. As for Adam its 50-50 for me but unfortunately reputation has gone before him
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Post by right on Aug 29, 2015 21:34:26 GMT
I think Adam's is worse than Afellay's actually. Adam knew what he was doing, and tried to pull back, but it was too late. In actuality, it was a soft red acrd, because he didn't apply much pressure at all. At the same time, he did step on him, even if it was lightly. Don't tell me it was accidental because Adam seems to be the only player to accidentally step on players Afellay's altercation they each should have gotten red or yellow. Unfortunately his slap was wide in the open. It wasn't violent, and both players were at it. Bit harsh in my opinion. If both calls were not red, I think we'd be thinking perhaps we were a bit lucky, but I don't think it's have been an issue at all. In the end though I don't think we can complain that much.
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Post by imho on Aug 29, 2015 21:45:05 GMT
Squeekster - no where does it say you can't raise your hands or touch someone's face. It is all about the 'violence' and by that I mean it's the intent and the force. Hence why it's a red card. The ' can't raise your hands' thing is purely media. I do agree it would be easier to go with not allowing the raising of hands full stop though. Pretty sure that it is an FA rule that you cant raise your hands to someone's face and attempt to hit/touch what so ever. It doesn't say it. I've checked. Not wanting to argue with you as I think it should say it, if it did the west brom player walks as well but unfortunately it doesn't - the rules around cautions and the like it not that descriptive in this area.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 29, 2015 22:08:53 GMT
Firstly, we should have been on a heightened state of Oliver twattery awareness - seems we forgot what a look-at-me wannabe this prick is eg Shawcross decision against Bony - Adam gift-wrapped that one for him and Afalay needs wages docking - hands to face = red card no matter what. Basic discipline.
Secondly we should have been on a heightened state of Pulis twattery awareness having seen it deployed a close quarters for several years......although he seems have become worse and more extreme.......
So self inflicted both on and off the pitch
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 22:21:02 GMT
It's a stamp for me. If it was accidental, he'd have tumbled over backwards, put more weight into the contsct and ironically caused a really nasty injury.
He lingers in that position without trying to remove his foot for too long. Does not look "natural".
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Post by philb on Aug 29, 2015 22:22:23 GMT
Just seen Sissokos stamp on an arsehole players foot on MOTD and he gets a yellow!
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Post by kmp on Aug 29, 2015 22:42:45 GMT
After watching MOTD replay that was a red, poor show from Adam when we were already one down.
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 29, 2015 22:42:58 GMT
Pretty sure that it is an FA rule that you cant raise your hands to someone's face and attempt to hit/touch what so ever. It doesn't say it. I've checked. Not wanting to argue with you as I think it should say it, if it did the west brom player walks as well but unfortunately it doesn't - the rules around cautions and the like it not that descriptive in this area. Mate I don't doubt your research but I'm pretty sure although I don't what rule it would come under but you can't raise your hands to the face of an opponent on a football pitch and as you say it's open to interpretation but as the twat only yellow carded one it will stay as.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 22:43:41 GMT
I thought it was a red at the time.
I think it's a red after watching it again.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 29, 2015 22:45:25 GMT
It's clear CA's red card was justified. He's a red card walking and won't be missed(sadly).
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Post by philb on Aug 29, 2015 22:48:24 GMT
Squeekster - no where does it say you can't raise your hands or touch someone's face. It is all about the 'violence' and by that I mean it's the intent and the force. Hence why it's a red card. The ' can't raise your hands' thing is purely media. I do agree it would be easier to go with not allowing the raising of hands full stop though. So do you reckon Gardner would have stayed on the pitch if Afellay had not reacted and had clutched his hands to his face? It's all about the intent surely. Gardner got a slight slap and grabbed his face with both hands as if hurt (which he clearly wasn't as 1 second later he was fine) making the job easier for the ref. The difference was Afellay didn't.
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Post by withnall on Aug 29, 2015 23:06:41 GMT
The Charlie red card - the linesman was running onto the pitch flag waving BEFORE Charlie trod on the blokes leg. Why??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2015 23:16:01 GMT
The Charlie red card - the linesman was running onto the pitch flag waving BEFORE Charlie trod on the blokes leg. Why?? Good point because they got the throw in didn't they? I thought it should have been a free kick to us and I think that's what he may have been running on the pitch for and to split it up because it was niggly then Charlie did his idiotic deed....
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Post by Davef on Aug 29, 2015 23:20:02 GMT
Affelay is indefensible. You just can't raise your hands. As for Adam its 50-50 for me but unfortunately reputation has gone before him Gardner raised his hands though, so both players should have gone.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 29, 2015 23:30:26 GMT
The Charlie red card - the linesman was running onto the pitch flag waving BEFORE Charlie trod on the blokes leg. Why?? Good point because they got the throw in didn't they? I thought it should have been a free kick to us and I think that's what he may have been running on the pitch for and to split it up because it was niggly then Charlie did his idiotic deed.... Exactly this.
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 30, 2015 0:00:15 GMT
Yes with the same amount of so called "force" too. It clearly wasn't the same force,Gardener put his finger to Affelays face quite gently, Affelay slapped him Bull shit, they were both the same force. Lino saw them both and pushed a red for us. Fucking bullshit call. Gardner is a cunt, should have been a second yellow for hands to the face after the foul.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2015 0:06:24 GMT
It clearly wasn't the same force,Gardener put his finger to Affelays face quite gently, Affelay slapped him Bull shit, they were both the same force. Lino saw them both and pushed a red for us. Fucking bullshit call. Gardner is a cunt, should have been a second yellow for hands to the face after the foul. You can't go around stamping on people and not expecting to get sent off!
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 30, 2015 0:09:24 GMT
Stamp? Have a word .... He barely touched him, hardly a stamp you "touchy feely git". My Harris it was even a yellow. West Brom twat would have been screaming bloody murder if he even thought it was significant contact. That Baggie bloke was looking like he thought he committed the foul.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2015 0:12:09 GMT
Ok he trod on him......deliberately.
You can't do it. It was right in front of me and we all thought it was a sending off at the time and having seen it back it clearly he is.
He's a twat of the highest order who should know better.
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Post by Gods on Aug 30, 2015 0:11:55 GMT
Adam deliberately trod on the inside of the WBA lads thigh presumably because he didn't like the scissor tackle.
It's a red I'm sorry to say.
PS I wasn't echoing you Bayern, you beat me to it!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 30, 2015 0:17:42 GMT
Stamp? Have a word .... He barely touched him, hardly a stamp you "touchy feely git". My Harris it was even a yellow. West Brom twat would have been screaming bloody murder if he even thought it was significant contact. That Baggie bloke was looking like he thought he committed the foul. He's got his left foot firmly planted on the floor, with his right foot on his leg, he then lifts his left foot off the floor, putting all his weight through his right foot. It was a sneaky one and he got caught, you win some and you lose some.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 30, 2015 0:20:36 GMT
And if we're going for the two yellow card angle on Gardner, it should have been Adam's second if you think it warranted something.
Because the foul he made after his usual dallying on the ball antics was fucking shocking and he got away with that!
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 30, 2015 0:28:58 GMT
And if we're going for the two yellow card angle on Gardner, it should have been Adam's second if you think it warranted something. Because the foul he made after his usual dallying on the ball antics was fucking shocking and he got away with that! Fook off!!!!!!!!!!!!
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