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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 28, 2015 15:30:00 GMT
He does the hard work that leads to goals and chances His goal v Luton was class he also scores goals and like he said in his interview if we were to look at the stats he'd be in the top 2 for most things except he wouldn't if we look at the last 2 seasons in the league - goals scored Crouch 15 in 47 games, Adam 14 in 36 games, Diouf 13 in 31, Walters 13 in 55 including few penalties and this ignores Bojan 4 in 14, Wingy 6 in 16 - assists Arnie 12 in 49, Adam 11 in 36, Crouch 8 in 47, Walters 6 in 55 - passing accuracy in the 60% range so not in the top half of our players I am afraid he is talking rubbish, he has had more games than any other attacking player and is not in the top 3 for any key stats and on goals and assists per game he wouldn't make the bench. I suspect these are the stats management has to hand when deciding on their offers
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Post by Northy on Aug 28, 2015 15:30:27 GMT
Being a Tory he should understand market economics. We'll pay what he's worth and we'll sweat the asset until it's of no use to us. He should be thanking us for following these principles not moaning like a pinko socialist demanding we pour cash into something just based on sentiment and past performance. Amazing how Jon completely turned his life around isn't it, not long ago he was stealing money from peoples pockets and now he's a Tory. As if that was ever true, Roy keane was involved ....
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Post by butlerstbob on Aug 28, 2015 15:31:15 GMT
Pay the man a decent wage, he is a work horse and an asset to the team and like he says he keeps on improving. PAY HIM, PLAY HIM & GET ON WITH IT! You say pay him a decent wage as though the fucker is on the bread line! The bloke takes home more in one week than most on here take home per year so your quote is just astounding! I wish I was in the position of turning down 30-40 GRAND PER FOOKING WEEK! Christ on a bike! ????
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 28, 2015 15:38:31 GMT
What was he alluding to in the interview when he referred to 'things going on' at the club? Is there ill will among the playing staff. Seems like he's trying to unsettle the boat.. Typical money grabbing Tory really.
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Post by pottermost on Aug 28, 2015 15:46:43 GMT
Amazing how Jon completely turned his life around isn't it, not long ago he was stealing money from peoples pockets and now he's a Tory. As if that was ever true, Roy keane was involved .... Perhaps he robbed them?
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Aug 28, 2015 15:50:15 GMT
tik tak tik tak tik tak ouch grass stains wash shorts repeat. From ummphh to ouch in one season. stoke From Bullies to bullied From Lions to siamese cats How appealing You'd think after 2 seasons of brilliant work from Hughes and his coaches on the pitch and in the transfer window; that he'd have earnt a bit of respect and trust from the supporters. Obviously not. Get a fucking grip.
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Post by interestedobserver on Aug 28, 2015 15:57:08 GMT
After listening to the interview I can't say I was impressed with his tone. I think he has the potential to be a valuable squad player this year -- but if his attitude over his contract is going to be a disruption, it is better to get rid IMO.
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Post by scfc5 on Aug 28, 2015 16:16:54 GMT
It sounds as if he just wants a longer deal, which is understandable when it will be his last major contract. I doubt the wages themselves are a problem. Maybe a 2-year contract with trigger clauses for a further year is the answer...
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 28, 2015 16:17:49 GMT
tik tak tik tak tik tak ouch grass stains wash shorts repeat. From ummphh to ouch in one season. stoke From Bullies to bullied From Lions to siamese cats How appealing You'd think after 2 seasons of brilliant work from Hughes and his coaches on the pitch and in the transfer window; that he'd have earnt a bit of respect and trust from the supporters. Obviously not. Get a fucking grip. So it doesn't bother you that we are turning into a team of powder puff then? It's probably right up your street, that's why
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:21:25 GMT
You'd think after 2 seasons of brilliant work from Hughes and his coaches on the pitch and in the transfer window; that he'd have earnt a bit of respect and trust from the supporters. Obviously not. Get a fucking grip. So it doesn't bother you that we are turning into a team of powder puff then? It's probably right up your street, that's why Hello again Taz.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 28, 2015 16:23:06 GMT
So it doesn't bother you that we are turning into a team of powder puff then? It's probably right up your street, that's why Hello again Taz. 4 games 0 wins. If we don't win tomorrow make that 6 because we are getting fuck all at arsenal by trying to beat them at their own game. It's players like Walters and Nzonz that give us the edge. Hughes has even signed a weak centre half amongst all the flair..
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 28, 2015 16:32:05 GMT
You'd think after 2 seasons of brilliant work from Hughes and his coaches on the pitch and in the transfer window; that he'd have earnt a bit of respect and trust from the supporters. Obviously not. Get a fucking grip. So it doesn't bother you that we are turning into a team of powder puff then? It's probably right up your street, that's why We battled well at Tottenham, particularly after Walters was hooked when we were 2-0 down
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 28, 2015 16:34:02 GMT
So it doesn't bother you that we are turning into a team of powder puff then? It's probably right up your street, that's why We battled well at Tottenham, particularly after Walters was hooked when we were 2-0 down and still we have zero wins, 'nearly' isn't good enough
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:35:36 GMT
So it doesn't bother you that we are turning into a team of powder puff then? It's probably right up your street, that's why We battled well at Tottenham, particularly after Walters was hooked when we were 2-0 down This PC has said we have offered him a great deal, if he doesn't want sign it then cash in. John Walters can be replaced he's not fucking Pele.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 28, 2015 16:37:22 GMT
We battled well at Tottenham, particularly after Walters was hooked when we were 2-0 down This PC has said we have offered him a great deal, if he doesn't want sign it then cash in. John Walters can be replaced he's not fucking Pele. Replaced with who another fancy flick merchant to add the ever growing number of others? Weighing in the steel is asking for trouble if you are not prepared to replace it.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Aug 28, 2015 16:41:02 GMT
You'd think after 2 seasons of brilliant work from Hughes and his coaches on the pitch and in the transfer window; that he'd have earnt a bit of respect and trust from the supporters. Obviously not. Get a fucking grip. So it doesn't bother you that we are turning into a team of powder puff then? It's probably right up your street, that's why What evidence is there that we're turning into 'a team of powder puff' (whatever the fuck that means..)? Maybe you should stop acting like a knicker wetting powder puff twat after 3 games into a season where we've only lost once, in a game where we didn't play too badly. Man up.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 28, 2015 16:43:12 GMT
Only fools would think it's a good idea to take away the main ingredients that have bought us success and be certs top 10.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 28, 2015 16:50:31 GMT
What kind of offer will tempt the club to accept? £2M turned down, but would £3M seal a move? How much would Lennon or Moses cost?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:51:20 GMT
Only fools would think it's a good idea to take away the main ingredients that have bought us success and be certs top 10. Nobody is suggesting we get rid of the manager.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 16:52:21 GMT
This PC has said we have offered him a great deal, if he doesn't want sign it then cash in. John Walters can be replaced he's not fucking Pele. Replaced with who another fancy flick merchant to add the ever growing number of others? Weighing in the steel is asking for trouble if you are not prepared to replace it. If we are to move up the league then I am afraid players of the capability of John Walters will be replaced in time. I don't see too many "Jon Walters" in the teams above us. But that isn't the point, PC has said he has offered him a great deal which I believe him, PC is a fair man as shown with Wilko. If he doesn't think it's good enough then shake hands and move on. Buy someone who is technically better with some rough pedigree to him.
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 28, 2015 16:53:17 GMT
Only fools would think it's a good idea to take away the main ingredients that have bought us success and be certs top 10. Who's taking away Mark Hughes?
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 28, 2015 16:56:56 GMT
Only fools would think it's a good idea to take away the main ingredients that have bought us success and be certs top 10. You're setting yourself up for a massive fall.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 28, 2015 16:58:19 GMT
he also scores goals and like he said in his interview if we were to look at the stats he'd be in the top 2 for most things except he wouldn't if we look at the last 2 seasons in the league - goals scored Crouch 15 in 47 games, Adam 14 in 36 games, Diouf 13 in 31, Walters 13 in 55 including few penalties and this ignores Bojan 4 in 14, Wingy 6 in 16 - assists Arnie 12 in 49, Adam 11 in 36, Crouch 8 in 47, Walters 6 in 55 - passing accuracy in the 60% range so not in the top half of our players I am afraid he is talking rubbish, he has had more games than any other attacking player and is not in the top 3 for any key stats and on goals and assists per game he wouldn't make the bench. I suspect these are the stats management has to hand when deciding on their offers Good post.
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Post by cymap on Aug 28, 2015 16:59:00 GMT
Seems to me if people think SJW is the person to be still playing in our squad in 3yrs then offer him the deal he wants. If you don't think you want to see SJW still in our squad in 3yrs then stick with what we have supposed to have offered. With all respect to SJW I wouldn't want him as part of the squad in 3 yrs as I would have hoped we would have pushed on .
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 28, 2015 17:01:42 GMT
Only fools would think it's a good idea to take away the main ingredients that have bought us success and be certs top 10. Back in the day when we weren't in the premier league there used to be a test about how good players who played for us were, I think it got christened the Hoefkens test in honour of Carl and the basic rationale was if they were as good as some fans claimed they wouldn't be playing for Stoke, now we have Walters with 5 years premier league experience wanted by errm Norwich who are prepared to offer 2 million pounds for him, this is the same Norwich who are offering 10-12 million for Afobe at Wolves, I think that says a lot about how other clubs see Walters.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 28, 2015 17:03:24 GMT
Only fools would think it's a good idea to take away the main ingredients that have bought us success and be certs top 10. You're setting yourself up for a massive fall. Can you see how that comment could well be ironic in more ways than one?
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Post by march4 on Aug 28, 2015 17:05:37 GMT
Only fools would think it's a good idea to take away the main ingredients that have bought us success and be certs top 10. Back in the day when we weren't in the premier league there used to be a test about how good players who played for us were, I think it got christened the Hoefkens test in honour of Carl and the basic rationale was if they were as good as some fans claimed they wouldn't be playing for Stoke, now we have Walters with 5 years premier league experience wanted by errm Norwich who are prepared to offer 2 million pounds for him, this is the same Norwich who are offering 10-12 million for Afobe at Wolves, I think that says a lot about how other clubs see Walters. Two thirds of the teams in the Prem would sign SJW if they could. That Norwich bid is a bit suspicious as it has been conducted in the public domain. I would disregard it entirely.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 28, 2015 17:06:56 GMT
You need steel in this league and a reliable spine, if you don't have that as your base you can have players with more tricks than paul daniels but you're going nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 17:08:32 GMT
he also scores goals and like he said in his interview if we were to look at the stats he'd be in the top 2 for most things except he wouldn't if we look at the last 2 seasons in the league - goals scored Crouch 15 in 47 games, Adam 14 in 36 games, Diouf 13 in 31, Walters 13 in 55 including few penalties and this ignores Bojan 4 in 14, Wingy 6 in 16 - assists Arnie 12 in 49, Adam 11 in 36, Crouch 8 in 47, Walters 6 in 55 - passing accuracy in the 60% range so not in the top half of our players I am afraid he is talking rubbish, he has had more games than any other attacking player and is not in the top 3 for any key stats and on goals and assists per game he wouldn't make the bench. I suspect these are the stats management has to hand when deciding on their offers He maybe referring to his fitness level and appearance stats!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 28, 2015 17:08:45 GMT
This PC has said we have offered him a great deal, if he doesn't want sign it then cash in. John Walters can be replaced he's not fucking Pele. Replaced with who another fancy flick merchant to add the ever growing number of others? Weighing in the steel is asking for trouble if you are not prepared to replace it. Read the reports of the managers press conference...we weren't able to break teams down at home last year because we lacked flair players - we are changing and getting rid of the brute force approach, Affelay, Shaqiri, Johnson, Van Ginkel, Wollscheid, all signed to boost our attacking threat - get with the programme
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