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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 8:58:52 GMT
I'm under the impression he can play all three Right, centre & left. Him and Walters could swap sides a few times a game I'm going to ignore you now. Good for you. Joselu is also unproven and Walters is capable of playing up top aswell, what happens if Diouf gets injured and we are left with an immobile Crouch? Let's see how the foreign legion get on when it starts getting cold, the wet and heavy pitches, the christmas period when games come quick and fast. Walters and Shaq switching is the perfect recipe to test full backs and centre halfs with a mixture of qualities. Arnautovic is inconsistent at best. We could end up with Yarmolenko and Shaq both on the face of it fantastic footballers, are they prepared to mix it physically when necassary and do the dirty work? Do they even have it in them? Both are primarily right sided players so they will have to switch themselves if both are to play. In the unfortunate event the team doesn't 'click' fast enough, have they got the stomach for a difficult season & battle? Too many question marks for me to just sell Walters, but go ahead, let's over cook it and swap virtually a whole team in one season, why not?
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 27, 2015 9:08:09 GMT
I suspect this is going to go to the transfer deadline. Stoke are going to miss out on Yarmalenko due the stupid Kiev owner, the club will shy away from spending big money on an unproven player, and in the end prefer to stick with what they know than risk a 35 year old stranger. There will be an honourable compromise on Tuesday.
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 27, 2015 9:08:21 GMT
Also beginning to wonder wether we did as much as we could to keep NZonzi, as it stands at the mo Zonz 70k a week contract looks like it would of been good business We couldn't offer Champions league football. That's before we go into lifestyle.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 27, 2015 9:14:23 GMT
Also beginning to wonder wether we did as much as we could to keep NZonzi, as it stands at the mo Zonz 70k a week contract looks like it would of been good business We couldn't offer Champions league football. That's before we go into lifestyle. If that's the case fair enough but I've already said on here weeks ago that to swap an Nzonzi our most consistent performer from last season and vital part of the team for an untested in English football 'prospect' is a gamble at best. In the meantime we have Walters on the books, are chasing another right winger after already spending £12m on one instead of replacing proven quality with proven quality in centre mid. Mind boggling.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 27, 2015 10:02:25 GMT
Wingie has only been given a firm contract for the coming year. There is an option to extend if certain targets are met - although we don't know what those targets/thresholds are. Jon wants an extension to his contract which would then run for three seasons - which is not sensible for a club of our resources to offer to a player of his age. Most middle ranking clubs only offer one year extensions to players of Jon's age. If things work out well, then a club might keep offering one year extensions will into the a player's late 30s. But the important thing is to offer one year at a time and make a decision each year as to whether a further extension is warranted. As a Tory Jon should understand how any job market works best from the employer's point of view. Wingie's was not sensible knowing that we wanted a new right winger and had Walter contracted for another year. It was unnecessary and made a big squad even bigger....too big. Walters will probably get 2 years elsewhere, he's got it pretty sussed imo. If he leaves this window then he needs a 3 year contract to better our offer - or he needs higher wages/signing on fee . We've offered him effectively 2 years from now.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 27, 2015 10:51:31 GMT
I suspect this is going to go to the transfer deadline. Stoke are going to miss out on Yarmalenko due the stupid Kiev owner, the club will shy away from spending big money on an unproven player, and in the end prefer to stick with what they know than risk a 35 year old stranger. There will be an honourable compromise on Tuesday. I really hope so One of our less experienced players (here at Stoke) should be out on loan to keep John in the 25 Teixiera would be my choice , Odemwingie? What is the feeling re Ryan being named in the 25? Little update re his health so far MH has done very well in integrating new players with the strengths of the established players here at Stoke Roll on Tuesday evening
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 27, 2015 10:52:50 GMT
We couldn't offer Champions league football. That's before we go into lifestyle. If that's the case fair enough but I've already said on here weeks ago that to swap an Nzonzi our most consistent performer from last season and vital part of the team for an untested in English football 'prospect' is a gamble at best. In the meantime we have Walters on the books, are chasing another right winger after already spending £12m on one instead of replacing proven quality with proven quality in centre mid. Mind boggling. Not another season of Walters plodding down the line and trying to muscle his way through. So far this season he has failed to dominate a Liverpool youngster and Spurs' worst player and a lower division full back. Hard working yes but lacking in touch, guile and awareness when he tracks back. Surely it is time to move on
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 27, 2015 10:59:00 GMT
That interview is very telling, just for the length of pause before very short answers. Sounds quite aggrieved and upset to be honest. Yeah. The pauses say it all. One of 'em must've been about 6 or 7 seconds. Not holding my breath for any compromises on this one. If they haven't budged by August 27th after a summer of negotiations, doubt the club will now. And Walters didn't sound like a man who's going to budge either. But at the same time, it may take a club coming in and offering him 3 years, probably commutable from Merseyside. And you can only see one Smethwick-based, baseball-cap wearing Welshman being so inclined to put that down?
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Post by stokief on Aug 27, 2015 13:19:44 GMT
Well, talk may be cheap but I reckon you can 'talk' too much and I think Jon may just have done that, intentionally? who knows! I'd say that he'll be off which I think is a shame but maybe he wants to go more than he really wants to stay? Either way, giving these sort of interviews is rarely a constructive thing to do if you want a better contract.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 27, 2015 13:23:11 GMT
Walters' interview sounds more and more like a "come and get me" plea to me. If he is still here by the middle of next week, I'll be amazed.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 27, 2015 13:24:00 GMT
Jon and his team know there is something in the pipeline. Surely his agent would be advising him to sign if there was nothing already on the table?
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 27, 2015 14:01:08 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Aug 27, 2015 14:28:01 GMT
If that's the case fair enough but I've already said on here weeks ago that to swap an Nzonzi our most consistent performer from last season and vital part of the team for an untested in English football 'prospect' is a gamble at best. In the meantime we have Walters on the books, are chasing another right winger after already spending £12m on one instead of replacing proven quality with proven quality in centre mid. Mind boggling. Not another season of Walters plodding down the line and trying to muscle his way through. So far this season he has failed to dominate a Liverpool youngster and Spurs' worst player and a lower division full back. Hard working yes but lacking in touch, guile and awareness when he tracks back. Surely it is time to move on He does the hard work that leads to goals and chances His goal v Luton was class
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 27, 2015 14:56:24 GMT
Not another season of Walters plodding down the line and trying to muscle his way through. So far this season he has failed to dominate a Liverpool youngster and Spurs' worst player and a lower division full back. Hard working yes but lacking in touch, guile and awareness when he tracks back. Surely it is time to move on He does the hard work that leads to goals and chances His goal v Luton was class He has 14 assists in 181 premier league games for Stoke, lot of hard work for not much reward and in no sense is that close to best in class. He does work hard but he often races back gets into position and then lets his man get in behind him. In the system we have, like Crouch, he holds back the team, we need more mobility and wide men have to be capable of beating a man, muscle alone won't cut it. It is time to move on and I would say form his comments, he knows it too
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 27, 2015 15:10:51 GMT
He does the hard work that leads to goals and chances His goal v Luton was class He has 14 assists in 181 premier league games for Stoke, lot of hard work for not much reward and in no sense is that close to best in class. He does work hard but he often races back gets into position and then lets his man get in behind him. In the system we have, like Crouch, he holds back the team, we need more mobility and wide men have to be capable of beating a man, muscle alone won't cut it. It is time to move on and I would say form his comments, he knows it too I do tend to agree with you, although he does bring something different should he stay I don't think he is in the same class as quite a few of our current crop. That said its all well and good having your Bojan's, Shaqiri's and Afellays but in SJW you do have something different and in a tough away game I think he is perfect to link up with Johnson on the right, I would try and keep him if I were Hughes, but if he did go then he would go with my best wishes and I have to say would probably get more game time at a Norwich/Bournemouth etc
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Post by salopstick on Aug 27, 2015 15:21:59 GMT
He does the hard work that leads to goals and chances His goal v Luton was class He has 14 assists in 181 premier league games for Stoke, lot of hard work for not much reward and in no sense is that close to best in class. He does work hard but he often races back gets into position and then lets his man get in behind him. In the system we have, like Crouch, he holds back the team, we need more mobility and wide men have to be capable of beating a man, muscle alone won't cut it. It is time to move on and I would say form his comments, he knows it too Assists stats are not worth much as they only show the person who kicked it before the goal scorer What's the stats on goals scored off The back of chasing lost causes.
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Post by jonnynico on Aug 27, 2015 15:33:29 GMT
Sorry jon, you're not as good as you think you are, bye bye.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 15:36:45 GMT
He does the hard work that leads to goals and chances His goal v Luton was class He has 14 assists in 181 premier league games for Stoke, lot of hard work for not much reward and in no sense is that close to best in class. He does work hard but he often races back gets into position and then lets his man get in behind him. In the system we have, like Crouch, he holds back the team, we need more mobility and wide men have to be capable of beating a man, muscle alone won't cut it. It is time to move on and I would say form his comments, he knows it too I agree, he won't play as central striker again and will not get enough assists to warrant a place as a winger in our side. I wouldn't give him 3 year deal and I am glad the club is standing its ground. If you don't want to sign Jon then thanks for everything and good luck in the future.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 27, 2015 16:21:41 GMT
He has been a great servant and no one could fault his effort but we all age and more skilful players are joining. A two year contract on reasonable wages would be maximum, he will play less and less part as the season and other players develop. Also negotiating in public wont win friends in management.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 16:29:21 GMT
He sounds like a prick on that interview. Why not just see out his existing contract with us ? He'll be on good money and then his options are open at the end of the season. That's what Stoke are saying can happen,seems like a no brainer from the players position...UNLESS he's trying to force a transfer where he gets a big signing on fee. Or does he realise he won't get much playing time here and that's why he's angling for a move ?
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 27, 2015 16:33:56 GMT
He sounds like a prick on that interview. Why not just see out his existing contract with us ? He'll be on good money and then his options are open at the end of the season. That's what Stoke are saying can happen,seems like a no brainer from the players position...UNLESS he's trying to force a transfer where he gets a big signing on fee. Or does he realise he won't get much playing time here and that's why he's angling for a move ? No, he is just annoyed that the likes of Crouch and others have walked into contract talks and have been given what they want, where he has been given less than he has asked for.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 27, 2015 16:43:37 GMT
Huth.
Walters.
I hope and trust the management know what they're doing.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 27, 2015 16:53:16 GMT
I trust that the club have offered him what they believe he's worth, given the number of other recent players we've had sign new contracts it's strange that players like Adam, Cameron, Muniesa and Crouch have accepted the terms without a fuss yet Jon clearly feels that his offer is derisory.
He's been a fantastic servant and I'd like to see him stay as a squad player but I reckon his first team days are surely over barring injuries to other players and if he feels he can get a better deal and first team football elsewhere then I won't begrudge him leaving.
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Post by richardparker on Aug 27, 2015 16:55:50 GMT
Extend his current contract for a further 2 years. If he thinks he is worth more and wants out, that's his call. Going public in such a way (i.e. the pauses and dummy routine in interviews) makes him sound greedy and with ideas above his station. An unhappy player, with less time in the starting line-up needs to be shipped, ... which is ultimately what will probably happen.
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Post by blakngreen on Aug 27, 2015 17:01:41 GMT
He sounds like a prick on that interview. Why not just see out his existing contract with us ? He'll be on good money and then his options are open at the end of the season. That's what Stoke are saying can happen,seems like a no brainer from the players position...UNLESS he's trying to force a transfer where he gets a big signing on fee. Or does he realise he won't get much playing time here and that's why he's angling for a move ? No, he is just annoyed that the likes of Crouch and others have walked into contract talks and have been given what they want, where he has been given less than he has asked for. Do you know if it is contract length, money or both that has got him behaving this way Marc.
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Post by Pirate on Aug 27, 2015 17:11:15 GMT
He sounds like a prick on that interview. Why not just see out his existing contract with us ? He'll be on good money and then his options are open at the end of the season. That's what Stoke are saying can happen,seems like a no brainer from the players position...UNLESS he's trying to force a transfer where he gets a big signing on fee. Or does he realise he won't get much playing time here and that's why he's angling for a move ? No, he is just annoyed that the likes of Crouch and others have walked into contract talks and have been given what they want, where he has been given less than he has asked for. I wouldn't say they have definitely just been given what they want, i bet Crouch as per your example could probably have made a tidy sum more moving abroad say than he has probably got here, SJW at 31 can get a 3yr deal elsewhere i would imagine but is only worth a 2 here based on what we have & the way we would like to do things in the future. If he sits it out for another 12 months he will be 32 & looking at dropping down a division, this is the perfect time for him to go from his perspective i would think.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 27, 2015 17:19:15 GMT
He has got 12 months left to run and if they give him another 12 months on top of that he will then be aged 35.Not many clubs would give him a longer contract I would have thought. I hope this is resolved because i think we need him in the squad,but I do underswtand the club's position if it is about the length of his contract as we are given to understand.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 27, 2015 17:21:16 GMT
No, he is just annoyed that the likes of Crouch and others have walked into contract talks and have been given what they want, where he has been given less than he has asked for. I wouldn't say they have definitely just been given what they want, i bet Crouch as per your example could probably have made a tidy sum more moving abroad say than he has probably got here, SJW at 31 can get a 3yr deal elsewhere i would imagine but is only worth a 2 here based on what we have & the way we would like to do things in the future. If he sits it out for another 12 months he will be 32 & looking at dropping down a division, this is the perfect time for him to go from his perspective i would think. I thought he is 33 any day now?
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Post by jeycov on Aug 27, 2015 17:25:36 GMT
He has got 12 months left to run and if they give him another 12 months on top of that he will then be aged 35.Not many clubs would give him a longer contract I would have thought. I hope this is resolved because i think we need him in the squad,but I do underswtand the club's position if it is about the length of his contract as we are given to understand. He's 31 years old at the moment (32 in September) Sees out his contract he'll be 32 at the end of the season and can leave for free Extend the contract by 1 year he'll be 33 Extend by 2 years he'll be 34* * Is this the contract that is on offer? Maybe it's more about money if Adam and Crouch have 2 year contract extensions It's getting messy (as opposed to Messi ) the management team need to look ahead and review all contracts with 2 years to go imo
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Post by mickytake on Aug 27, 2015 17:26:51 GMT
Jon Walters changes games he leads by example his effort,running,commitment and presence inspires team mates and lifts crowds. Is this someone to sell? NO
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