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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 13:06:25 GMT
Think the bloke who wrote this, Graeme Bailey, occasionally gets stuff right. I think Crouch would go to the Championship before he played for Pulis again. Personally, I would drive Walters to The Hawthornes right now.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 29, 2015 13:07:32 GMT
The most obvious thing to ever happen in world football.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 29, 2015 13:08:02 GMT
Think the bloke who wrote this, Graeme Bailey, occasionally gets stuff right. I think Crouch would go to the Championship before he played for Pulis again. Personally, I would drive Walters to The Hawthornes right now.In that case you're an idiot.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 29, 2015 13:12:30 GMT
Think the bloke who wrote this, Graeme Bailey, occasionally gets stuff right. At this stage of a transfer window, all sports journos are racking their brains for yet another phrase to apply to rumours - 'set to sign'; 'poised to sign'; 'tracking'; 'targetting'; 'linked with/to'; - now we've got 'mulling over'
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 29, 2015 13:12:32 GMT
It's a difficult one. Crouch is a top pro and will always score a few goals but he is disposable I think and if we can get money for him we've done well.
Walters on the other hand I'd love to keep as a back up, but would he want to sit on the bench? To improve our squad the right hand side is the part that will need doing.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 29, 2015 13:17:01 GMT
We don't have to sell them for what would be nominal fees so sorry tony , sod off
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 13:21:25 GMT
As Pwingy9 said - definitely a difficult one. Crouchy is a PR magnet for the club (and can still contribute), and SuperJon will probs chip in with 5-10 goals if given playing time alongside being the eternal nuisance to opposing teams that he is...
...but would we cash in, or replace? Replacing Jon with the marquee RW would make sense, but that's feeling more like a pie in the sky, coming-to-fruition-wise, as each day passes.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 29, 2015 13:24:04 GMT
Our replacements would need to be of very good ability. If not rock the city. I think crouch has already been replaced with Joselu.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 29, 2015 13:25:44 GMT
If there's anything in it....
Can't see Crouchy being that interested.
But Walters?
Maybe. Without knowing what we're offering, it's tough to say - but the fact he and Wilson are the only two who've not re-signed does say a thousand words and suggests that whether it's terms or likely squad role (or both), there's not a meeting of minds to re-commit to each other.
TP would probably overpay for him, salary and length of deal-wise, such is his Walters admiration. And approaching 32, those extra guaranteed years on Premier League money could be Walters' No.1 priority.
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Post by shawi on Jul 29, 2015 13:29:26 GMT
Would not want to lose either player & it would definitely be a dumb move to sell them to one of our "Rivals" Both players contribute a great deal & invariably score some crucial goals.
Keep 'em Sparky lad
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Post by pez75 on Jul 29, 2015 13:31:37 GMT
Make them pay good money. Both Crouch & Walters can still do us a job, so we are in no rush to get rid - but every player has their price.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 29, 2015 13:45:01 GMT
Crouch is probably more disposable in squad terms as of now (with Diouf, Joselu and Wingie, plus SJW, able to play up top, whereas the right side of the attack is a weak area at present), but Walters may be more interested in the move, given the issues over his new contract. I guess if we land a big name right wing target, we may feel Walters is possibly surplus to requirements.
Personally I'd like to keep both of them for at least this season, but a longer contract on decent money and a guaranteed spot in Uncle Tone's first team may tempt SJW.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 29, 2015 13:45:06 GMT
If there's anything in it.... Can't see Crouchy being that interested. But Walters? Maybe. Without knowing what we're offering, it's tough to say - but the fact he and Wilson are the only two who've not re-signed does say a thousand words and suggests that whether it's terms or likely squad role (or both), there's not a meeting of minds to re-commit to each other. TP would probably overpay for him, salary and length of deal-wise, such is his Walters admiration. And approaching 32, those extra guaranteed years on Premier League money could be Walters' No.1 priority. Tone will happily give Jon a three year deal without any thought and to be fair to Walters he'd be mad not to take it. There's a deal to be done to suit all parties here.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 29, 2015 13:52:09 GMT
I'd actually let Crouchy go for £3M right now as we have brought in Joselu as his replacement the way I see it. I would not sell SJW, but offer him a two-year-extension. Selling SJW now would not be a wise move in my opinion, a must keep unless we bring in another decent srtriker/winger!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2015 14:05:01 GMT
Thankfully, Mark Hughes thinks otherwise. PS: They can both play up front. And score goals. We've got 3 front line strikers for 1 striking position. All 3 will be expecting to start. Something has to give. I think Bayern's logic is perfectly sound ... Assuming that Diouf is going to start and we'll have a 'proper' right winger here by the time the transfer window closes, then you can't then have Joselu, Walters, Crouch, Odemwingie AND Affelay/Arnie on the bench - it would only leave just one other outfield substitute place available, which would be crazy. At least one (and almost certainly two) of them are going to be regularly missing from the match day squad. No matter how much you rate the individual player(s)/think that they've still got something to offer, there's a practical issue here that can't be ignored.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 29, 2015 14:06:54 GMT
Are we confident that Joselu would get anywhere near providing Crouch's goal threat 14/8/10/10.
I'm not.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2015 14:11:16 GMT
Are we confident that Joselu would get anywhere near providing Crouch's goal threat 14/8/10/10. I'm not. Me neither but for me this is the same argument about needing a new centre back ... Hughes had nailed his colours to the mast on Wollscheid and done the same with Joselu. It (very much) is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 14:12:36 GMT
Far too much of our dna leaving if we let sjw go now. Whilst a squad player perhaps. A 2 year contract wouls be sensible
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 29, 2015 14:14:31 GMT
Are we confident that Joselu would get anywhere near providing Crouch's goal threat 14/8/10/10. I'm not. Me neither but for me this is the same argument about needing a new centre back ... Hughes had nailed his colours to the mast on Wollscheid and done the same with Joselu. It's (very much) what it is. I just don't see Joselu starting as main striker for us any time remotely soon. When I do the maths, I always come to the conclusion that Ireland will be disappointed more than most on a match day.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2015 14:15:34 GMT
Far too much of our dna leaving if we let sjw go now. Whilst a squad player perhaps. A 2 year contract wouls be sensible It's all very well saying that he'd be a squad player Tony but assuming Hughes does manage to land his big money right winger - who would be YOUR six outfield players on the bench?
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Post by pottermost on Jul 29, 2015 14:16:04 GMT
If there's anything in it.... Can't see Crouchy being that interested. But Walters? Maybe. Without knowing what we're offering, it's tough to say - but the fact he and Wilson are the only two who've not re-signed does say a thousand words and suggests that whether it's terms or likely squad role (or both), there's not a meeting of minds to re-commit to each other. TP would probably overpay for him, salary and length of deal-wise, such is his Walters admiration. And approaching 32, those extra guaranteed years on Premier League money could be Walters' No.1 priority. Your bang on RE Walters. He know's full well that there's only one man who can offer him that kind of job security and that's TP. You don't vote Conservative and then work for charity do you?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2015 14:16:27 GMT
Me neither but for me this is the same argument about needing a new centre back ... Hughes had nailed his colours to the mast on Wollscheid and done the same with Joselu. It's (very much) what it is. I just don't see Joselu starting as main striker for us any time remotely soon. When I do the maths, I always come to the conclusion that Ireland will be disappointed more than most on a match day. Not starting mate - he'll be on the bench. If you do ALL the maths, it's going to be difficult for Ireland and Walters/Odemwingie and Crouch.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 29, 2015 14:28:18 GMT
Can't see him leaving this summer.
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Post by ruts66 on Jul 29, 2015 14:39:08 GMT
£10m the pair, Tone...
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 29, 2015 14:44:21 GMT
Walters strikes me as the kind of player who is quick to throw his toys out of the pram if he's not starting.
From his interviews, he feels he should be in our first XI and I don't think that he's guaranteed that this season with so much competition
In that sense he is possibly not a great influence in the dressing room if he's not playing.
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Post by fca47 on Jul 29, 2015 14:47:19 GMT
Wouldn't let either go at the moment, even in pre-season we seem to be having trouble scoring, though not prolific both will contribute 8 - 10 goals a season, Joselu hasn't done anything yet. If he proves he can score before the end of the transfer window, it may be a different matter.
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Post by Gods on Jul 29, 2015 14:49:34 GMT
Be a brave call to knock the Top 2 off our all time list. Particularly when we already shipped out #5 this summer Below are Stoke City's top Premier League scorers and the totals they have scored. Jon Walters 34 Peter Crouch 33 Ricardo Fuller 18 Charlie Adam 17 Robert Huth 13 Matthew Etherington 13 Kenwyne Jones 13 Ryan Shawcross 12 Mame Biram Diouf 11 James Beattie 10 Cameron Jerome 7 Rory Delap 6 Steven N'Zonzi 6 Mamady Sidibe 5 Abdoulaye Faye 5 Tuncay Sanli 5 Marko Arnautovic 5 Peter Odemwingie 5 Liam Lawrence 4 Danny Higginbotham 4 Glenn Whelan 4 Jermaine Pennant 4 Oussama Assaidi 4 Bojan Krkic 4 Dave Kitson 3 Dean Whitehead 3 Michael Kightly 3 Victor Moses 3 Seyi Olofinjana 2 Matthew Upson 2 Geoff Cameron 2 Stephen Ireland 2 Amdy Faye 1 Salif Diao 1 Danny Pugh 1 Marc Wilson 1 John Carew 1 Ryan Shotton 1 Michael Owen 1 Asmir Begovic 1 Erik Pieters 1
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Post by nott1 on Jul 29, 2015 14:50:13 GMT
Are we confident that Joselu would get anywhere near providing Crouch's goal threat 14/8/10/10. I'm not. He is very good in the air with a good one to one header rate!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 14:51:24 GMT
All our strikers have different styles and attributes. I'd want top money to let Crouch and Walters go.They both have plenty to offer
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Post by jwhpotter on Jul 29, 2015 14:53:04 GMT
Looks like we have a big squad andcould let a couple go but we thought that last season! If you had to let 3 players go in order of preference who would they be? Tough but I'd say: 1. Tex 2. Hadguard (with recall option) 3. Ireland
Wouldn't be too fussed if Bards went too
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