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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 2, 2015 11:12:46 GMT
From what I gather Jon wanted a 2 year deal but a one year extension was offered. But from what I believe this is all sorted and is expected to sign once back at the club. It has nothing to do with wage demands A fantastic professional and if he doesn't start, he'd be great to have on the bench. Some people have short memories and believe too much hype about CL players. Walters is deserving of a final good deal Not that I am saying JW isn't a fantastic pro BUT I disagree with you on the "if he doesn't start" part. He has proven in two patches previously, where he fell out of the starting line-up, that he runs straight to the press and states he needs to move-on etc. Now I guess people will say it shows he wants to play etc etc but I am sure that ALL players feel that way. Keeping it behind closed doors is the professional way. As I stated the other day. If he isn't going to be a starter I would move him on as he isn't the type to sit quietly and wait for his chance that might not come.
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Post by foster on Jul 2, 2015 11:16:41 GMT
If we sign a RW then we no longer need Walters (if we keep Odem which I hope)
Let him then run down his contract and leave if he wants.
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Post by wuzza on Jul 2, 2015 11:23:43 GMT
That's really not the case - Walters does a great job for us, he helps us win a lot of games, we need him. Doubtless as marc says the whole thing is, as normal, blown out of all proportion by the press and it will be resolved quite easily. This is not N'Zonzi's dad we are dealing with !!!
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 2, 2015 11:26:45 GMT
From what I gather Jon wanted a 2 year deal but a one year extension was offered. But from what I believe this is all sorted and is expected to sign once back at the club. It has nothing to do with wage demands So you're saying he wanted 3 years? Yes 2 years on top of his current 1 he has left
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 2, 2015 11:30:07 GMT
So you're saying he wanted 3 years? Yes 2 years on top of his current 1 he has left I'm not sure I would give him 3 years on a new deal, his game relies on his engine and legs. The club have done well to offer the two they have then.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 2, 2015 11:37:59 GMT
Yes 2 years on top of his current 1 he has left I'm not sure I would give him 3 years on a new deal, his game relies on his engine and legs. The club have done well to offer the two they have then. Age takes it's toll on everyone eventually (don't I know it) but Jon is fitter than most so I would have no worries on that score. However, I think we'll need to use him a bit more cleverly/sparingly to make sure we get the best out of him in future. For me, it depends how Jon sees the next 3 seasons..... Is he going to be happy to maybe play less games, be used from the bench more and in targeted games/situations? I do think he'll have to be realistic about that given the players we are clearly trying to get in to the club but, if he can handle that, he will remain an important factor at Stoke City.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 11:45:29 GMT
He's 32 essentially when the new season starts. This'd take him more or less to 35, I'd give him 2 years with some sort of clause for a possible third.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 2, 2015 12:29:32 GMT
I'm not sure I would give him 3 years on a new deal, his game relies on his engine and legs. The club have done well to offer the two they have then. Age takes it's toll on everyone eventually (don't I know it) but Jon is fitter than most so I would have no worries on that score. However, I think we'll need to use him a bit more cleverly/sparingly to make sure we get the best out of him in future. For me, it depends how Jon sees the next 3 seasons..... Is he going to be happy to maybe play less games, be used from the bench more and in targeted games/situations? I do think he'll have to be realistic about that given the players we are clearly trying to get in to the club but, if he can handle that, he will remain an important factor at Stoke City. Maybe he will mellow with his age/realisation of others being more skilful etc. My concern is he has blabbed to the press in the past, even after his HUGE run of starts for the team. Granted his attitude on the pitch is first class. I love the commitment from him and the way he plays for the team. From drinking the oppositions water to winding up and smashing up defenders. If we get ALL of that, with him taking a back seat in terms of his starting spot, from the bench and he is prepared to just "be a part of the team" then give him 3 years. However, I would say he wouldn't want it personally and would prefer playing week in week out for every minute. If he doesn't get that he will be asking for resolution as he has in the past and that can be disruptive.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 2, 2015 12:43:08 GMT
Age takes it's toll on everyone eventually (don't I know it) but Jon is fitter than most so I would have no worries on that score. However, I think we'll need to use him a bit more cleverly/sparingly to make sure we get the best out of him in future. For me, it depends how Jon sees the next 3 seasons..... Is he going to be happy to maybe play less games, be used from the bench more and in targeted games/situations? I do think he'll have to be realistic about that given the players we are clearly trying to get in to the club but, if he can handle that, he will remain an important factor at Stoke City. Maybe he will mellow with his age/realisation of others being more skilful etc. My concern is he has blabbed to the press in the past, even after his HUGE run of starts for the team. Granted his attitude on the pitch is first class. I love the commitment from him and the way he plays for the team. From drinking the oppositions water to winding up and smashing up defenders. If we get ALL of that, with him taking a back seat in terms of his starting spot, from the bench and he is prepared to just "be a part of the team" then give him 3 years. However, I would say he wouldn't want it personally and would prefer playing week in week out for every minute. If he doesn't get that he will be asking for resolution as he has in the past and that can be disruptive. Know what you're saying mate and it IS a concern. Mind you, if (a little later) he's playing less games than he would like and he intimates that he'd rather be playing week in, week out, he could always be loaned out. That way we have him here making a telling contribution for the bulk of his new contract and someone else picking up a share of wages for the remainder. He could also, of course, seek a transfer if he became unhappy with the situation (probably lower down the league scale and at little return to us) but would he really owe us anything? I think, given the character he is, we risk nothing on Jon Walters.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 3, 2015 21:49:27 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2015 21:53:45 GMT
So we've got 2 aging right wingers and by the time their current deals finish one will be 34 and the other 32.
The 34 has an option that will take him to he's 35 and the 32 year old wants to be extended until he's 34.
One needs to be jettisoned asap.
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Post by pumper on Jul 3, 2015 22:02:54 GMT
So we've got 2 aging right wingers and by the time their current deals finish one will be 34 and the other 32. The 34 has an option that will take him to he's 35 and the 32 year old wants to be extended until he's 34. One needs to be jettisoned asap. hmmm....i wonder whom you could be referring to here..., wild guess...err SJW?
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Post by djduncanjames on Jul 3, 2015 22:05:26 GMT
So we've got 2 aging right wingers and by the time their current deals finish one will be 34 and the other 32. The 34 has an option that will take him to he's 35 and the 32 year old wants to be extended until he's 34. One needs to be jettisoned asap. Strictly because of age? Pretty sure we have had an aging player at the club many moons ago... ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2015 22:07:24 GMT
So we've got 2 aging right wingers and by the time their current deals finish one will be 34 and the other 32. The 34 has an option that will take him to he's 35 and the 32 year old wants to be extended until he's 34. One needs to be jettisoned asap. hmmm....i wonder whom you could be referring to here..., wild guess...err SJW? Either, really not arsed! I wouldn't have given Wingie a new contract tbh!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2015 22:08:08 GMT
So we've got 2 aging right wingers and by the time their current deals finish one will be 34 and the other 32. The 34 has an option that will take him to he's 35 and the 32 year old wants to be extended until he's 34. One needs to be jettisoned asap. Strictly because of age? Pretty sure we have had an aging player at the club many moons ago... ? Age and we need a younger right winger so one has to go. There's no room for the pair of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 22:11:37 GMT
The issue is the amount it would cost to replace them and causing to many changes to the sqaud. I guess the hope is by the time these guys hang up their boots players from the under 21s will replace them
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2015 22:13:53 GMT
The issue is the amount it would cost to replace them and causing to many changes to the sqaud. I guess the hope is by the time these guys hang up their boots players from the under 21s will replace them I don't see why it's an issue? You keep one of them so you've got reliable back up, you then add a new and much needed starting right winger. Shaqiri is a right winger, we don't need him and these 2.
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Post by Davef on Jul 3, 2015 22:15:20 GMT
Thankfully, Mark Hughes thinks otherwise.
PS: They can both play up front. And score goals.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2015 22:16:57 GMT
Thankfully, Mark Hughes thinks otherwise. PS: They can both play up front. And score goals. We've got 3 front line strikers for 1 striking position. All 3 will be expecting to start. Something has to give.
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Post by pumper on Jul 3, 2015 22:28:40 GMT
Strictly because of age? Pretty sure we have had an aging player at the club many moons ago... ? Age and we need a younger right winger so one has to go. There's no room for the pair of them. reminds me of noah's stock take on the ark...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2015 22:30:52 GMT
Age and we need a younger right winger so one has to go. There's no room for the pair of them. reminds me of noah's stock take the ark... Crouch could go instead, really not arsed. This would be more than adequate- RW-Shaqiri and Wingie Cover for both- Walters Strikers-Diouf and Joselu
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Post by stokie1997 on Jul 3, 2015 22:33:22 GMT
I think Walters will feature more than Crouch this season. I'd still like see Crouchie get his 100th PL goal at the Brit!
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Post by pumper on Jul 3, 2015 23:01:03 GMT
I think Walters will feature more than Crouch this season. I'd still like see Crouchie get his 100th PL goal at the Brit! superjon's not being going a full 90 for months...and if crouchie's hernia op went well i think we may well see a lot more of him tbh
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2015 23:02:49 GMT
I think Walters will feature more than Crouch this season. I'd still like see Crouchie get his 100th PL goal at the Brit! superjon's not being going a full 90 for months...and if crouchie's hernia op went well i think we may well see a lot more of him tbh Who out of Joselu or Diouf misses out though? This is what I mean, we're fully stocked up there and on the right at the moment.
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Post by pumper on Jul 3, 2015 23:05:07 GMT
option to change a pair of strikers is a nice one
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2015 23:08:20 GMT
We play with one striker......
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 4, 2015 9:55:59 GMT
Walters "hasn't been lasting 90 minutes for a while" because he's been playing with a recurring injury (he's one of the fittest players at the club). That fact that he was selected despite carrying an injury sort of tells you that Hughes still sees him as important to the team.
Given that Crouch has been given a new contract (as has Wingie) the only one of the three that there is any chance of losing is Walters. It might happen, but I'd get used to the idea that all three will be here for some time yet which, personally, I'm more than happy with.
It's true Bayern that both Walters and Wingie will be into the 'veteran stage' but I would have no worries whatsoever about Walters fitness, especially if (as I hope) he is used more sparingly due to us signing a TOP player to play wide right, and Wingie is a player who can turn games/win you games if he retains his pace following his injury. Despite his age, he was still moving like 'shit off a shovel' before his injury.
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Post by lordb on Jul 4, 2015 9:59:20 GMT
Old players and Stoke City,no history of that being a success...
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 4, 2015 10:14:09 GMT
Old players and Stoke City,no history of that being a success... Seriously though, we are getting a good age mix at the club right now. Crouch, Walters and Wingie are all obviously going to be pretty ancient (in football terms) by the time their contracts are up but we're not talking about all three playing week-in, week-out so I don't have any worries. I'd be worried if we had to actually PLAY all three of them every week mind.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 29, 2015 12:54:35 GMT
Think the bloke who wrote this, Graeme Bailey, occasionally gets stuff right.
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