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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 15, 2015 9:42:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 9:44:57 GMT
Chucking 80k or whatever it is at players like Konoplyanka will exacerbate this problem throughout the squad.
Where do you draw the line?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 15, 2015 9:46:07 GMT
You would have thought a Tory like Jon would be attune to the brutalities of the capitalist market. He is a depreciating asset.
Life's tough for some, eh, Jon in this dog eat dog world you were celebrating so wildly recently?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 15, 2015 9:50:02 GMT
Oh my god Jon Boy if this is your argument for higher pay
"Stats wise, I'm also the fittest. I probably have the lowest body fat"
Just sign the contract and be happy with the 20k-30k a week that you are currently on. Hes spent half his career in the lower leagues on a quarter of that salary. Nobody (apart from TP) is going to pay you any more
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 15, 2015 9:50:18 GMT
He sounds pretty exasperated - doesn't sound like there's close to a meeting of minds.
But he'll be nearly 33 at the expiry of his current deal at the end of next season, so can't see anyone chucking telephone numbers at him.
Sadly for him, I can't see West Brom or anyone else in the Prem doing so either, especially if they would have to pay a fee this summer to get him.
Don't think he's got much leverage.
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Post by muglump on Jun 15, 2015 9:53:55 GMT
Oh my god Jon Boy if this is your argument for higher pay "Stats wise, I'm also the fittest. I probably have the lowest body fat" Just sign the contract and be happy with the 20k-30k a week that you are currently on. Hes spent half his career in the lower leagues on a quarter of that salary. Nobody (apart from TP) is going to pay you any more If that's all he's got then I don't think he's going to get very far. Who else would want him? Don't get me wrong I've always liked him (as a player anyway) but at his age it's only going to take one injury to see him off for good at the top level. I could see a promoted team having him for the experience but not at top wages. |
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Post by penkvillepotter on Jun 15, 2015 9:55:49 GMT
If we are looking to push on to the next level there will be casualties along the way. For all that Walters has done for us and it's quite a bit he's one that needs to be eased out of the side.
I'd rather we put any potential increase towards the next shining light so sadly Jon for that reason I'm out.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 15, 2015 9:57:53 GMT
Not so funny now, Jon boy!  |
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Post by redstriper on Jun 15, 2015 10:02:30 GMT
I will be disappointed if he ruins his "playing for fun" old fashioned pro image by appearing as money grabbing as some of his peers.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Jun 15, 2015 10:03:22 GMT
Oh my god Jon Boy if this is your argument for higher pay "Stats wise, I'm also the fittest. I probably have the lowest body fat" Just sign the contract and be happy with the 20k-30k a week that you are currently on. Hes spent half his career in the lower leagues on a quarter of that salary. Nobody (apart from TP) is going to pay you any more If that's all he's got then I don't think he's going to get very far. Who else would want him? Don't get me wrong I've always liked him (as a player anyway) but at his age it's only going to take one injury to see him off for good at the top level. I could see a promoted team having him for the experience but not at top wages. To be fair the reference to body fat is clearly to indicate that he is fit for a few years yet. I really like Walters and he's more than paid back what we've paid for him but I would be tempted to let him play out his contract and go as I think he is certainly more the past than the future. (I wouldn't even mind him getting a nice little cash reward for his efforts but not a contract) Sent from my GT-I8190N using proboards |
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jun 15, 2015 10:04:38 GMT
This is the problem with breaking the wage structure we formally had. Top earners will get inflated egos, lower earners will start getting jealous. Matter of the fact is Bojan, Zonz and Shawcross should be the top earners as they are worth the most money. Walters should be offered a similar contract to what he's on now, if he wants more, let him try find It elsewhere, because he won't.
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Post by philb on Jun 15, 2015 10:05:26 GMT
If we are looking to push on to the next level there will be casualties along the way. For all that Walters has done for us and it's quite a bit he's one that needs to be eased out of the side. I'd rather we put any potential increase towards the next shining light so sadly Jon for that reason I'm out. Seems the club feel the same way. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 15, 2015 10:12:37 GMT
Not the first time Walters has spat his dummy out is it.
At the end of the day he's a footballer so he only sees things from his own viewpoint.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 15, 2015 10:15:22 GMT
You would have thought a Tory like Jon would be attune to the brutalities of the capitalist market. He is a depreciating asset. Life's tough for some, eh, Jon in this dog eat dog world you were celebrating so wildly recently? SJW should sign on! The D.W.P. should sanction him every time he goes A.W.O.L. in front of goal! Soon get the deficit down  |
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Post by lordb on Jun 15, 2015 10:23:35 GMT
Not the first time Walters has spat his dummy out is it. At the end of the day he's a footballer so he only sees things from his own viewpoint. Remin me when he spat his dummy out before? -genuine question I have no memory of that- |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 15, 2015 10:27:47 GMT
He is 32 in September soon after next season starts. So he will be 33 soon after his contract ends in a year's time. I think it is inevitable that Stoke would be offering him no more money (and possibly somewhat less) on his next contract.
I like Jon Walters and I can see his value to the side - but, if I were on the Stoke board, I doubt I would be offering him any more money than he gets at present. On the other hand, if he could negotiate a bigger contract at another club, I would not stop him leaving. The Premier League FFP rules on wages mean that, as clubs try to bring in better players, it is inevitable that older players (unless they happen to be the most valuable players) are going to find that their contract negotiations are not as easy as they once might have been. I'd bet any money that Crouch's new contract is not as good as his old one.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 15, 2015 10:28:28 GMT
Not the first time Walters has spat his dummy out is it. At the end of the day he's a footballer so he only sees things from his own viewpoint. Remin me when he spat his dummy out before? -genuine question I have no memory of that-
If I'm not playing I'll have to consider my options.....
Ring a bell? Start of the season I think, maybe last.
I've no problem with the club offering Walters a new deal, but for him to be chubbing about being a top earner then sorry, he can jog the fuck on.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jun 15, 2015 10:29:48 GMT
I would like to see Walters stay, I feel the same about most of the squad, however if a decent offer comes in I would not be devastated to see him leave.
If I was in charge of contracts I'd be happy to let the Walters contract run its course before making any extended offers. I really don't see any one offering Jon Walters big money this time next year.
If he thinks he can get more elsewhere then good luck to him.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 15, 2015 10:39:05 GMT
We need to get the average age of the squad down a touch and I, for one, would be content for him to stay and run his contract down, but at his age I'm not sure he'll want to do that. But, who will come in for him and offer him three years? I like Jon W a lot but his powers are waning and it makes no sense to throw more money at him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 10:39:23 GMT
He has to be realistic at his age , I wish him well but if he's not happy then he needs to move on.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 15, 2015 10:42:22 GMT
I sympathise with him but it is time Stoke moved on. We all get older and eventually get past our sell buy date. I'm sure he has more to contribute and I would suggest he gets himself the best he can in the final years of his playing career, whether that is at Stoke or elsewhere. He must realize though, useful as he is, there will not be other top half Prem clubs come knocking for him. I think he should take what is on offer and get another year or two as a sub for Stoke, if he can get on the bench, which will depend on signings, injuries, his form, etc. Clearly MH wants to take Stoke to a higher level.
He's had a good career and been a great player for us, and, from his number of appearances and goals scored, must be one of the top hand full of players who have re-establish Stoke in the top tier of world football.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 15, 2015 10:42:53 GMT
We need to get the average age of the squad down a touch and I, for one, would be content for him to stay and run his contract down, but at his age I'm not sure he'll want to do that. But, who will come in for him and offer him three years? I like Jon W a lot but his powers are waning and it makes no sense to throw more money at him.  "He's my special boy!"   |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 15, 2015 10:46:14 GMT
Very surprised he's gone public with this and I doubt it will do him any favours at all.
I'd get another year out of him on his current deal and let him leave on a free at the end of the season then it's up to him to see what he can earn elsewhere.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 15, 2015 10:47:53 GMT
I'd be staggered if even TP would contemplate a fee and a three year contract for Jon Boy. Even two years would be a push but a possibility. What would his market value be though? £2 million tops?
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Jun 15, 2015 10:48:09 GMT
That really is poor form from a bloke that seems to be losing his grip of reality now that his new manager doesn't seem willing to pander his wants.
Looks even worse coupled with his 'mocking' of Raheem Sterling not a few weeks ago.
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Post by kerouac on Jun 15, 2015 10:48:21 GMT
Run it out then move him on.For all his undoubted effort and commitment he's a very limited player who comes up trumps once in a blue moon........he may think he's the fittest among them but he seems to tire quite emphatically during a season.
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Post by blooter on Jun 15, 2015 10:49:41 GMT
Perfect TP signing. An old pro with no resale value that will do a job for a couple of years.
To be truthful the last half of the season has not been one of SJW's best. I think age is catching up with him. If he can get a move for what he's looking for good luck to him.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Jun 15, 2015 10:51:36 GMT
Very dissappointed with this article as Stoke have been extremely good to Mr Walters. If I were Stoke I would be in no rush to offer Walters more money or indeed another contract. Should now be squad player at best and one who is apparently carrying an ongoing injury that has, at times, restricted him during the season just gone and needed rest (although didn't seem to stop him missing the Ireland games). Obviously looking for a big last pay day and the article is certainly making him look greedy (or needy). Go get him Tone, £10 million and he's all yours. Can't see many other top tier teams rushing to offer us millions for him and paying him mega bucks.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 15, 2015 10:53:33 GMT
You would have thought a Tory like Jon would be attune to the brutalities of the capitalist market. He is a depreciating asset. Life's tough for some, eh, Jon in this dog eat dog world you were celebrating so wildly recently? Maggie Thatcher would be proud! |
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Jun 15, 2015 10:55:12 GMT
We need to get the average age of the squad down a touch and I, for one, would be content for him to stay and run his contract down, but at his age I'm not sure he'll want to do that. But, who will come in for him and offer him three years? I like Jon W a lot but his powers are waning and it makes no sense to throw more money at him. Exactly - the average age of our forwards is a concern (Crouch 34, Wingie 34, SJW 32 this summer). One year contractextension for Wingie and SJW sound OK, but nothing longer than that. |
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