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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 11:44:21 GMT
Gr8 idea re 8th minute. It ticks all the boxes . He has been a great player and stayed loyal to England and Liverpool. How genuine is an 8th minute tribute going to look if we then go on to abuse him for the rest of the match. I've got mixed feelings as to whether we should do anything at all with Gerrard, given that there are players of our own leaving who we definitely should be thinking more of. But if we have to pay any kind of tribute to Gerrard, we should save it til after the game, or when he's substituted and his time here is done.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on May 17, 2015 11:48:56 GMT
I'll quite happily clap him, he's been an outstanding playing. The performance he gave in that final against Milan was something else.
In all fairness I'll even clap Terry when he retires, because as a footballer he's the been the best of a generation for me. Also just because they've got no association with Stoke as club it doesn't we mean we can't appreciate a bloody good player.
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Post by thestokielad on May 17, 2015 11:55:46 GMT
If Gerrard plays there will be millions of people watching and if stoke fans abuse him then the whole world will think we're scum so there's no point in shouting abuse at him. Maybe a few he fights like a girl chants but we should show him respect as he leaves the field
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 17, 2015 12:01:15 GMT
If Gerrard plays there will be millions of people watching and if stoke fans abuse him then the whole world will think we're scum so there's no point in shouting abuse at him. Maybe a few he fights like a girl chants but we should show him respect as he leaves the field Has anyone actually suggested we abuse him?
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 17, 2015 12:09:40 GMT
Five Live are now running a documentary piece. Not on Gerrard's career but of yesterday. His second last game for his current club It's fucking ridiculous.
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Post by roosterscomb on May 17, 2015 12:18:10 GMT
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Post by kustokie on May 17, 2015 12:21:38 GMT
If Gerrard plays there will be millions of people watching and if stoke fans abuse him then the whole world will think we're scum so there's no point in shouting abuse at him. Maybe a few he fights like a girl chants but we should show him respect as he leaves the field Has anyone actually suggested we abuse him? Lots on this thread
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 12:45:04 GMT
Five Live are now running a documentary piece. Not on Gerrard's career but of yesterday. His second last game for his current club It's fucking ridiculous. Five-Live went to Anfield at the end of the match yesterday and stayed there for his lap of honour and speech. It was during 606, and Robbie Savage's build-up to Gerrard's reappearance on the pitch was the most embarrassing, cringeworthy piece of radio I've ever had to listen to. My respect for Savage has been disappearing down the plug hole over the past year or so, but his performance really plumbed the depths yesterday. Check it out if you can. It was so awful you have to listen to it to believe it.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 12:53:06 GMT
The whole circus around the retirement of a reasonably successful footballer is ridiculous and very much the product of the media's obsession with the club he plays for. If Gerrard is one of the best players any individual has seen I feel very sorry for that individual - there have been so many so much better. Go on then name me all these English born central midfielders since 1980 say,that are/were so much better than Gerrard. I've gone for 1980 because that's when I started watching football seriously.
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Post by wuzza on May 17, 2015 13:00:15 GMT
Why would they need to be English or indeed midfielders Sid? We are just talking footballers who have been a pleasure to watch and whatever qualities Gerrard may have I certainly wouldn't class him as someone who would be worth going out of your way for! I firmly believe his talent is over stated and this 'loyalty' stuff is tripe. The media storm is utter utter nonsense and completely out of proportion with his significance as a player. ( for the record and off the top of my head I would rate Robson, Gascoigne and Hoddle as more enjoyable to watch)
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 13:06:53 GMT
Why would they need to be English or indeed midfielders Sid? We are just talking footballers who have been a pleasure to watch and whatever qualities Gerrard may have I certainly wouldn't class him as someone who would be worth going out of your way for! I firmly believe his talent is over stated and this 'loyalty' stuff is tripe. The media storm is utter utter nonsense and completely out of proportion with his significance as a player. Why does the media coverage bother you so much though? He has been the shining light for around 17 years (all his career) and captained one of the biggest football clubs in world football and the fact that he is leaving them is a big deal in the sporting world. I don't understand why it winds so many people up,I mean,if the shoe was on the other foot I wouldn't hear too many on here complaining. It's strange.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 13:11:42 GMT
Why would they need to be English or indeed midfielders Sid? We are just talking footballers who have been a pleasure to watch and whatever qualities Gerrard may have I certainly wouldn't class him as someone who would be worth going out of your way for! I firmly believe his talent is over stated and this 'loyalty' stuff is tripe. The media storm is utter utter nonsense and completely out of proportion with his significance as a player. To answer your first question. I had previously stated earlier in the thread that he is one of the greatest midfielders that this country has ever produced,so that's why I bought English born midfielders into it. There have been more talented players indeed and there have been players who are easier on the eye to watch,but if you wanted a complete central midfielder to captain your team,a midfielder who had everything in his game that you would want from that position,then I don't think you'll find too many better than Gerrard was in his pomp.
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Post by Plave on May 17, 2015 13:12:19 GMT
The whole circus around the retirement of a reasonably successful footballer is ridiculous and very much the product of the media's obsession with the club he plays for. If Gerrard is one of the best players any individual has seen I feel very sorry for that individual - there have been so many so much better. Go on then name me all these English born central midfielders since 1980 say,that are/were so much better than Gerrard. I've gone for 1980 because that's when I started watching football seriously. Not even the best of his generation never mind years gone before Englands biggest mistake of the last 15 years is not building our midfield around Carrick/Lampard/Scholes Gerrard is way too selfish
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Post by wuzza on May 17, 2015 13:12:53 GMT
I get quite tired of tedious journalism forcing cliches down our throats - they haven't a clue what most average joe football fans think and I very much believe that Gerrard is not held in anything like the regard they, or it seems yourself, feel he is. Nothing personal about him it's just that his career hasn't shone any lights for me and I don't particularly enjoy watching him play.
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Post by mrcoke on May 17, 2015 13:15:57 GMT
I sorry I'm another old fart who agrees with Wuzza, I can't be doing with all this adulation of players like Gerrard and Lampard. And every time I put of MOTD being told how great Shearer was scoring more goals in the Premier League than anyone else.
I think England internationals have been pretty second rate for decades and totally outclassed by their foreign counterparts..
Gerrard is an excellent player, who has been a model professional, stayed loyal to his club, and always done his level best for club and country, and has been the best of his generation at times. But that's it. He's not that brilliant; he's not a world beater who has won masses of trophies; he's has lead his club to major triumphs occasionally but not consistently, and lead England to one disappointment after another.
There have been better Liverpool player IMO.
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Post by geoff321 on May 17, 2015 13:22:22 GMT
His failure to win more trophies is almost certainly down to his loyalty to Liverpool, the relative failure of England has little to do with Gerrard, as far as I know a football team consists of eleven players and England didn't have enough top class players like Gerrard.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 13:27:34 GMT
He is a diving cheat which in itself is disrespectful, so why do we need to show him any respect. He is a good footballer but the first thing that i think of when i hear is name is diver. Divers are the poison of modern football and he is part of that.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 17, 2015 13:39:19 GMT
I can only speak for myself but as a 15/16 year old when he was in his pomp, watching him single handily win Liverpool the Champions League and FA Cup I enjoyed watching him play more than any other Premier League player around. Obviously I would've preferred watching Zidane every week but Gerrard was something special when it came to leading and producing on the big occasions... anyway *time to put my blinkered Stoke City glasses back on*.. Gerrard? fucking wank!!!!
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Post by lordb on May 17, 2015 13:53:08 GMT
The whole circus around the retirement of a reasonably successful footballer is ridiculous and very much the product of the media's obsession with the club he plays for. If Gerrard is one of the best players any individual has seen I feel very sorry for that individual - there have been so many so much better. Go on then name me all these English born central midfielders since 1980 say,that are/were so much better than Gerrard. I've gone for 1980 because that's when I started watching football seriously. Robson,Gascoigne,Platt (yes Platt),Scholes,Hoddle all better for England. I think Lampard was better for England too. Gerard has been a great talisman for Liverpool. I think Souness was better,not English though.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 13:55:28 GMT
He is a diving cheat which in itself is disrespectful, so why do we need to show him any respect. He is a good footballer but the first thing that i think of when i hear is name is diver. Divers are the poison of modern football and he is part of that. I'm assuming you were slagging Moses off this season then and you wouldn't want us to sign him permanently then?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 14:00:33 GMT
I get quite tired of tedious journalism forcing cliches down our throats - they haven't a clue what most average joe football fans think and I very much believe that Gerrard is not held in anything like the regard they, or it seems yourself, feel he is. Nothing personal about him it's just that his career hasn't shone any lights for me and I don't particularly enjoy watching him play. Ask the supporters of the team he has played for all his careers what they think of him as a footballer. The supporters who have watched him week in week out for 17 years. They are the people who know his game better than anyone,and he is held in the same esteem as Liverpool's greatest ever footballers.
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Post by kjpt140v on May 17, 2015 14:02:32 GMT
Mind your own business. Psycophant It's sycophant. Even then it makes no sense. stick to taking pictures of your dog. Retard. Fuck you tosser
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 14:11:35 GMT
He is a diving cheat which in itself is disrespectful, so why do we need to show him any respect. He is a good footballer but the first thing that i think of when i hear is name is diver. Divers are the poison of modern football and he is part of that. I'm assuming you were slagging Moses off this season then and you wouldn't want us to sign him permanently then? Moses did dive a few times this season and it needs to be dealt with. Honesty is something footballers lack in today's game and it disgusting regardless of weather that player plays for stoke or any other club. Moses is a younger player than gerrard, but it is players like gerrard who were probably his role model so do as they do. Any form of cheating shows a lack of sportsmanship and it should be eradicated from the game.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 14:11:55 GMT
Go on then name me all these English born central midfielders since 1980 say,that are/were so much better than Gerrard. I've gone for 1980 because that's when I started watching football seriously. Robson,Gascoigne,Platt (yes Platt),Scholes,Hoddle all better for England. I think Lampard was better for England too. Gerard has been a great talisman for Liverpool. I think Souness was better,not English though. Scholes was an outstanding footballer and he was criminally played out of position by England managers which I think forced him to retire earlier than he should have done for England,whether he was more successful for England than Gerrard is up for debate because Gerrard has over 100 caps to his name and more goals,he too was shifted out of position regularly to accommodate Lampard. I'm not doubting that Scholes was a top player,because he was,I just think Gerrard was the more complete central midfielder and had more to his game than Scholes. Gascoigne was one of the best footballers I have ever seen in his all too short pomp,so I'll give you that one. Platt had a great career and was a superb goalscoring midfielder,better captain and all round midfielder than Gerrard? Not for me. Glenn Hoddle had magic in his boots but was a completely different type of player than Gerrard and did Hoddle really have that glittering a career with England? Although in my opinion to just base an opinion on a footballer by what they did with their national side is bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 14:14:37 GMT
I'm assuming you were slagging Moses off this season then and you wouldn't want us to sign him permanently then? Moses did dive a few times this season and it needs to be dealt with. Honesty is something footballers lack in today's game and it disgusting regardless of weather that player plays for stoke or any other club. Moses is a younger player than gerrard, but it is players like gerrard who were probably his role model so do as they do. Any form of cheating shows a lack of sportsmanship and it should be eradicated from the game. I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying. Diving is a part of the game which I detest but to single Gerrard out as a diving cheat after everything he has achieved in the game is a bit much. He's not exactly Suarez or Robben like in the diving stakes.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 14:23:40 GMT
Moses did dive a few times this season and it needs to be dealt with. Honesty is something footballers lack in today's game and it disgusting regardless of weather that player plays for stoke or any other club. Moses is a younger player than gerrard, but it is players like gerrard who were probably his role model so do as they do. Any form of cheating shows a lack of sportsmanship and it should be eradicated from the game. I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying. Diving is a part of the game which I detest but to single Gerrard out as a diving cheat after everything he has achieved in the game is a bit much. He's not exactly Suarez or Robben like in the diving stakes. I am not singling out gerrard, it is just the topic is about steven gerrard. He may not be the most prolific diver, but he is a diver and uses it to gain an advantage.
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Post by mattador78 on May 17, 2015 14:25:36 GMT
I for one will give him the same abuse as any other opposition player for as long as he is on the pitch then applaud him if he is subbed or the game finishes,but no more than tommy or wilko will get from me .I think I cant be fairer than that.
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Post by wuzza on May 17, 2015 14:28:06 GMT
That's fine Sid - let him be one of Liverpools best (although I think the 70/80s class was better) but why should it turn into a national event? There simply wasn't all this eulogising when some of the other very worthy names mentioned in this thread quit the game and I can't for the life of me see why there is for him.....other than the fact that everything to do with LFC gets over hyped.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 17, 2015 14:33:04 GMT
Ashley Cole is a better player, will he get this send off?
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Post by TheWiseMaster on May 17, 2015 14:49:40 GMT
Gerrard has earned our respect and I will give his a round of applause in appreciation of his outstanding home town club loyalty and world class quality for club and country
Shining example to the mercenaries seen all too often today
Respect
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