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Post by bathstoke on May 22, 2015 19:12:24 GMT
What a horror of a day! Kiwis playing some great stuff though it has to be said, probably the best all round team they've ever had. How did a "Minor County" like NZ get to this. Who's their coach!?!
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Post by partickpotter on May 22, 2015 19:19:48 GMT
What a horror of a day! Kiwis playing some great stuff though it has to be said, probably the best all round team they've ever had. How did a "Minor County" like NZ get to this. Who's their coach!?! The better question to consider is perhaps; who is their captain?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 20:14:35 GMT
We're also entering Captain Cook bashing time courtesy of Warne and Botham on Sky - with some justification it must be said. Their beef (no pun intended) is Cook lets the game drift when opposing batsmen get on top. Of course anything can happen but at 267-2 on a flat pitch with some quality batting at the wicket and more to come a score well over 500 looks on. That'd make the start of our second innings quite interesting. We'll surely its compulsory and normal from Warne ......it's his usual pre - ashes wind up England gambit it's to be expected ......the less than technical genius of Ian Botham is something else .....he should be at pains to recall his many shortcomings in the leadership scheme of things as a captain at Test level he was quite frankly useless .
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 20:17:23 GMT
Could be a long summer! What odds on a winless summer? Not that long I would imagine.......... We are only two days into the International summer guys .....let's not press the panic button just yet .
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Post by bathstoke on May 22, 2015 20:21:23 GMT
How did a "Minor County" like NZ get to this. Who's their coach!?! The better question to consider is perhaps; who is their captain? Your not saying it's all down to McCullum or is this a slight against Cook!?!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 20:22:31 GMT
What a horror of a day! Kiwis playing some great stuff though it has to be said, probably the best all round team they've ever had. How did a "Minor County" like NZ get to this. Who's their coach!?! Because for the first time in many years they have managed to produce several top quality players playing together in the same period .....they have had good players in the past , but only the odd good player at any one time in amongst a team of poor ones .....not sure they will continue to do this , but at the moment they are a decent side
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Post by partickpotter on May 22, 2015 22:04:37 GMT
The better question to consider is perhaps; who is their captain? Your not saying it's all down to McCullum or is this a slight against Cook!?! No - not all down to him. But his leadership is a huge part of New Zealand's success.
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Post by partickpotter on May 22, 2015 22:16:01 GMT
We're also entering Captain Cook bashing time courtesy of Warne and Botham on Sky - with some justification it must be said. Their beef (no pun intended) is Cook lets the game drift when opposing batsmen get on top. Of course anything can happen but at 267-2 on a flat pitch with some quality batting at the wicket and more to come a score well over 500 looks on. That'd make the start of our second innings quite interesting. We'll surely its compulsory and normal from Warne ......it's his usual pre - ashes wind up England gambit it's to be expected ......the less than technical genius of Ian Botham is something else .....he should be at pains to recall his many shortcomings in the leadership scheme of things as a captain at Test level he was quite frankly useless . Everything is easier from the sidelines. Particularly when good batsmen are dominating the bowling on a flat pitch. That said - I do think Cook does allow things to drift in these situations, so the criticism is fair. He could try different things. This afternoon's and evening's play felt very predictable. It's in situations like this where his captaincy is tested. Which is what test cricket is all about.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on May 22, 2015 22:41:50 GMT
What odds on a winless summer? Not that long I would imagine.......... We are only two days into the International summer guys .....let's not press the panic button just yet . It's here when you need it Bish.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:47:41 GMT
We'll surely its compulsory and normal from Warne ......it's his usual pre - ashes wind up England gambit it's to be expected ......the less than technical genius of Ian Botham is something else .....he should be at pains to recall his many shortcomings in the leadership scheme of things as a captain at Test level he was quite frankly useless . Everything is easier from the sidelines. Particularly when good batsmen are dominating the bowling on a flat pitch. That said - I do think Cook does allow things to drift in these situations, so the criticism is fair. He could try different things. This afternoon's and evening's play felt very predictable. It's in situations like this where his captaincy is tested. Which is what test cricket is all about. All very fair comment .....it's just that Botham tends to irritate me at times .... very critical indeed , he is always wise about tactics and selection after the event ....having normally stated the opposite view beforehand ....if it was left to Botham it would be ideal to go into a Test with fifteen players just to cover every eventuality ! He always adopts the approach of closing the gate after the horse has bolted ....he is then never wrong...the great Ian Botham can never be wrong !
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:49:00 GMT
We are only two days into the International summer guys .....let's not press the panic button just yet . It's here when you need it Bish.Thanks Okie ...maybe before the summer ends. Nick could be back before then ?
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Post by partickpotter on May 22, 2015 22:49:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:51:27 GMT
It would not be the first time we have had to resort to Dad's Army
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Post by partickpotter on May 22, 2015 22:51:47 GMT
Everything is easier from the sidelines. Particularly when good batsmen are dominating the bowling on a flat pitch. That said - I do think Cook does allow things to drift in these situations, so the criticism is fair. He could try different things. This afternoon's and evening's play felt very predictable. It's in situations like this where his captaincy is tested. Which is what test cricket is all about. All very fair comment .....it's just that Botham tends to irritate me at times .... very critical indeed , he is always wise about tactics and selection after the event ....having normally stated the opposite view beforehand ....if it was left to Botham it would be ideal to go into a Test with fifteen players just to cover every eventuality ! He always adopts the approach of closing the gate after the horse has bolted ....he is then never wrong...the great Ian Botham can never be wrong ! He is full of himself. Long way to go though before he rivals Fred "I don't understand" Trueman as a negative commentator.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:00:30 GMT
All very fair comment .....it's just that Botham tends to irritate me at times .... very critical indeed , he is always wise about tactics and selection after the event ....having normally stated the opposite view beforehand ....if it was left to Botham it would be ideal to go into a Test with fifteen players just to cover every eventuality ! He always adopts the approach of closing the gate after the horse has bolted ....he is then never wrong...the great Ian Botham can never be wrong ! He is full of himself. Long way to go though before he rivals Fred "I don't understand" Trueman as a negative commentator. Fred Trueman and Don Mosey ....a Yorkshire nightmare over the airwaves
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:17:03 GMT
It would not be the first time we have had to resort to Dad's Army If there is one thing that a New Zealander does not like.
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Post by corkster on May 22, 2015 23:54:30 GMT
But credit to Botham for predicting the no ball for what would've been Wood's first wicket
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:56:45 GMT
But credit to Botham for predicting the no ball for what would've been Wood's first wicket Yes but watching the popping crease isn't rocket science ...
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Post by sydneypotter on May 23, 2015 0:54:44 GMT
What a top match this is turning out to be. Yes, I know there is a long way to go yet, but the Kiwi's are already adding to their high status ODI reputation with aplomb in the test arena.
On another subject, but related, I would think that the English management team might consider pushing along the appointment of a replacement coach at the earliest time. As discussed in previous times, Dizzie is looking better by the day. Strauss might even be seen to shoot himself in the foot if he doesn't move quickly enough. Surely he isn't going to wait until after the Ashes series is complete.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 0:57:49 GMT
What a top match this is turning out to be. Yes, I know there is a long way to go yet, but the Kiwi's are already adding to their high status ODI reputation with aplomb in the test arena. On another subject, but related, I would think that the English management team might consider pushing along the appointment of a replacement coach at the earliest time. As discussed in previous times, Dizzie is looking better by the day. Strauss might even be seen to shoot himself in the foot if he doesn't move quickly enough. Surely he isn't going to wait until after the Ashes series is complete. Well it looks like Gillespie is interested in the job ....sign him up I'm sure he would do a good job .
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Post by partickpotter on May 23, 2015 11:37:38 GMT
He is full of himself. Long way to go though before he rivals Fred "I don't understand" Trueman as a negative commentator. Fred Trueman and Don Mosey ....a Yorkshire nightmare over the airwaves The commentary period of Trueman's life was covered in some detail in his biography I read last year. It was very sad to get some insight into the man at this time of his life. I think I've mentioned this book before. It's a great read.
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Post by partickpotter on May 23, 2015 11:40:32 GMT
Well - that's 400 up with just 3 wickets down. Williamson still excludes class and McCullum is on the charge. Dangerous times for Engkand. The game could get away from us in the next couple of hours. Edit: that did the trick. McCullum gone - too much charging! Congrats to Wood on his first test wicket!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 23, 2015 15:18:04 GMT
Right now that Willamson's gone let's knock these over and limit the lead to 100ish.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 23, 2015 15:34:51 GMT
I really like the look of Wood as a bowler.
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Post by partickpotter on May 23, 2015 16:31:29 GMT
I really like the look of Wood as a bowler. Agreed - very sharp. 3 well deserved wickets - and should have had another! Would have been good to gave a look at him doing something other than carry drinks in the recent Windies tour.I think the fact we didn't is one of the contributing factors to the dismissal of Moores.
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Post by partickpotter on May 23, 2015 16:35:42 GMT
Now this game starts to get really interesting. 134 defecit is substantial. 30 odd overs to bat should see us lose to clearing that off. The question is how many wickets we lose - 1 or 2 we'll be looking OK. 3 or 4 we are looking in a spot of bother. Any more and we are in big trouble.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 17:15:13 GMT
2 down already. Cracking ball to get Ballance out but it's all so bloody predictable isn't it?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 23, 2015 17:17:57 GMT
I really feel for Lyth, selectors had the chance to give him an opening spot against the West Indies to bed in against a "lesser" attack and instead they throw him into the deep end against one of the best attacks in World Cricket at the moment in conditions they thrive in.
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Post by partickpotter on May 23, 2015 18:03:36 GMT
I really feel for Lyth, selectors had the chance to give him an opening spot against the West Indies to bed in against a "lesser" attack and instead they throw him into the deep end against one of the best attacks in World Cricket at the moment in conditions they thrive in. In fairness it wasn't the selectors to blame. They picked him for the squad. Selection in the Windies was done by the coach and captain. That said there was clearly a pre-tour commitment to open with Trott which meant they had to go with that for at least the first two tests, so the only beef we can have really is not making a change for the third and final test. I've more of an issue with the bowling selection for those tests.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 22:42:17 GMT
I really feel for Lyth, selectors had the chance to give him an opening spot against the West Indies to bed in against a "lesser" attack and instead they throw him into the deep end against one of the best attacks in World Cricket at the moment in conditions they thrive in. Lyth will be ok ....you have to play against the best in Tests ,it would have been nice for him to have made his debut in the West Indies on those helpful batting wickets ...but if he's good enough he will prevail ...hopefully he will .
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