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Post by viewfrominside on May 13, 2015 9:34:08 GMT
It will be interesting to see where he ends up. My guess is he will be on the bench at a Top 6 club by the end of next season. When he could be starting games at a potential top 6 team, good luck to him, tell him to buy himself a nice cushion to avoid squarearseitis
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 9:54:49 GMT
8mil. Not enough!
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Post by viewfrominside on May 13, 2015 9:56:42 GMT
If Bego went for £8m what would that leave MH's total net spend to date at after being here for 2 seasons?
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Post by george2again on May 13, 2015 10:02:50 GMT
Posted this before, I would keep him. Loosing 8 million is nothing compared to the riches the Premier league will pay out next season. An investment for one season if you like. A motivated Bego is a different proposition than Butland and provides a safety net for me. In the mean time we can continue to offer him a contract until Christmas and hope he signs. Personally I think Butland will struggle next season and his lack of experience will tell. If we get 10 million plus then then is the time to start considering. We are in the driving seat here not Bego. He has no right to expect us to release him for ''8 million'' we have the right to say no and should do in my opinion. He signed a contract remember.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 13, 2015 10:09:19 GMT
If Bego went for £8m what would that leave MH's total net spend to date at after being here for 2 seasons? About -£2m?
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Post by viewfrominside on May 13, 2015 10:31:45 GMT
If Bego went for £8m what would that leave MH's total net spend to date at after being here for 2 seasons? About -£2m? Hughes has proven for two years now he is very competent, he has changed the style of football on a shoe string successfully, his signings overall have done well so for me if we fail to back Hughes this summer with a couple of quality signings that tells me all I need to know about the future transfer policy of Stoke for the forseeable future. Pulis was beleived to of spent £100 m in five years, if Hughes was that lucky he'd be on approx £40m at the end of this summer
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 13, 2015 10:33:47 GMT
Peter Czec is expected to fetch £10m, then Bego must be worth AT LEAST £12m.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 10:53:37 GMT
Posted this before, I would keep him. Loosing 8 million is nothing compared to the riches the Premier league will pay out next season. An investment for one season if you like. A motivated Bego is a different proposition than Butland and provides a safety net for me. In the mean time we can continue to offer him a contract until Christmas and hope he signs. Personally I think Butland will struggle next season and his lack of experience will tell. If we get 10 million plus then then is the time to start considering. We are in the driving seat here not Bego. He has no right to expect us to release him for ''8 million'' we have the right to say no and should do in my opinion. He signed a contract remember. A Begovic that has supposedly had things on his mind this season has dropped in form. What do you think he'd be like next year post January with a new club lined up?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 10:59:11 GMT
It will be interesting to see where he ends up. My guess is he will be on the bench at a Top 6 club by the end of next season. I will prob agree with that, I think Liverpool or arsenal is his best bet for some action.
If he signs for Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea he will just be a water boy.
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Post by blakngreen on May 13, 2015 11:00:36 GMT
It will be interesting to see where he ends up. My guess is he will be on the bench at a Top 6 club by the end of next season. That, for me, would be a waste of his talent tbh. I know he hasn't had the best of seasons. Still money talks.
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Post by huddy on May 13, 2015 11:01:49 GMT
Peter Czec is expected to fetch £10m, then Bego must be worth AT LEAST £12m. Sorry but Czech is an infinitely better keeper.
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Post by viewfrominside on May 13, 2015 11:04:36 GMT
It's kind of ironic though that scfc's transfer policy is to jump straight in on players of clubs when their contracts have a short shelf life without a second thought for the club who have developed the player, yet the very same thing could very well happen to us with our own better players
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Post by viewfrominside on May 13, 2015 11:07:31 GMT
Posted this before, I would keep him. Loosing 8 million is nothing compared to the riches the Premier league will pay out next season. An investment for one season if you like. A motivated Bego is a different proposition than Butland and provides a safety net for me. In the mean time we can continue to offer him a contract until Christmas and hope he signs. Personally I think Butland will struggle next season and his lack of experience will tell. If we get 10 million plus then then is the time to start considering. We are in the driving seat here not Bego. He has no right to expect us to release him for ''8 million'' we have the right to say no and should do in my opinion. He signed a contract remember. A Begovic that has supposedly had things on his mind this season has dropped in form. What do you think he'd be like next year post January with a new club lined up? Think he'll be like "ffs, theres no way i'll get a top deal elsewhere now as number 1 keeper after bench warming all season and only being played in cup games, I should of kept my trap shut and kept smiling"
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Post by pez75 on May 13, 2015 11:31:49 GMT
Think 8m is about right given the contract situation. I also think last summer was have been the right time to sell as his stock was much higher.Asmir is coming dangerously close to a 'no way back' scenario. I am not sure if that is a good or bad thing for Stoke. Bang on. I think this is where Southampton have done well; selling their stars at the right time. It's a hard call to make but I think we've seriously messed up here. The "right time" is usually when other teams want them! I do not remember us turning down any offers for Begovic? I think the plan was always to let him go at the right price - but noone showed any real interest - cannot blame the club for that? The truth is, Bego is not quite as good as we think he is. The top European teams will not pay substantial money for a keeper that is not proven at the that level unless they really do look the bollocks (a la Ter Stegen). Due to his lack of 'all-round game' I do not believe that Bego will get that far. £8M sounds fair enough for a good keeper who has a year left on his contract - will we get that though? Depends if more than one team is prepared to pay as we do not have much bargaining power on our side if not.
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Post by george2again on May 13, 2015 11:43:29 GMT
Posted this before, I would keep him. Loosing 8 million is nothing compared to the riches the Premier league will pay out next season. An investment for one season if you like. A motivated Bego is a different proposition than Butland and provides a safety net for me. In the mean time we can continue to offer him a contract until Christmas and hope he signs. Personally I think Butland will struggle next season and his lack of experience will tell. If we get 10 million plus then then is the time to start considering. We are in the driving seat here not Bego. He has no right to expect us to release him for ''8 million'' we have the right to say no and should do in my opinion. He signed a contract remember. A Begovic that has supposedly had things on his mind this season has dropped in form. What do you think he'd be like next year post January with a new club lined up? Professional?
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 13, 2015 11:43:35 GMT
Same money as Mignolet? Ridiculous that Stoke have let him run his contract down like this. He was very happy 12-18 months ago so we should've pushed a new contract under his nose then. He's holding us to ransom now. It stinks. Apparently we did but its taken a while.
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Post by werrington on May 13, 2015 11:49:21 GMT
WTF is it that people continually fail to grasp on here
It's only £8m because his contract ends next season ....if he had longer on it he'd be worth more than that depending on the length he had left on it and if we hung onto him his value would go down as his contract decreased
The value of other players is totally irrelevant
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 11:52:20 GMT
Peter Czec is expected to fetch £10m, then Bego must be worth AT LEAST £12m. Cech is a much better keeper than Begovic.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on May 13, 2015 11:53:34 GMT
I think 8 mill wouldn't be that bad for a goalkeeper in the last year of his contract. He hasn't been as good this season as last and he has made some bad mistakes this season. Don't get me wrong, that's no reason for us to consider selling him, as he's still one of our better players, but there will be a huge amount of added focus on his mistakes at a top club. What will decide on whether he's a truly world class player will be how he deals with the pressure. You can get away with mistakes at clubs of Stoke's stature but for teams aiming to challenge for titles every season, they can't afford for their goalkeeper to be making too many errors. It'll be a shame to see him leave Stoke but 8 mill wouldn't be too bad and I'm more than confident in Butland replacing him.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 11:54:04 GMT
A Begovic that has supposedly had things on his mind this season has dropped in form. What do you think he'd be like next year post January with a new club lined up? Professional? 'Professional' as in 'refuses to play or be on the bench'?
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Post by werrington on May 13, 2015 11:54:27 GMT
Peter Czec is expected to fetch £10m, then Bego must be worth AT LEAST £12m. Cech is a much better keeper than Begovic. No he isn't He's probably just got longer left on his contract
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Post by nutterpotter on May 13, 2015 11:55:33 GMT
Cech is a much better keeper than Begovic. No he isn't He's probably just got longer left on his contract Cech has got a year left too.
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Post by Davef on May 13, 2015 11:56:43 GMT
WTF is it that people continually fail to grasp on here It's only £8m because his contract ends next season ....if he had longer on it he'd be worth more than that depending on the length he had left on it and if we hung onto him his value would go down as his contract decreased The value of other players is totally irrelevant There's no guarantee we'll get £8M either. We walked away from the Diouf deal two summers ago because of their asking price. If clubs don't fancy paying £8M for Begovic this year, they'll wait until his contract expires.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 11:58:48 GMT
Cech is a much better keeper than Begovic. No he isn't He's probably just got longer left on his contract I'm not talking about contracts, or answering the original question. I'm stating a fact; Cech is a better keeper than Begovic. Anyone thinking otherwise is looking through red and white tinted specs. Cech will in 18 months time be first choice for a top side in Europe somewhere. Begovic won't.
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Post by metalhead on May 13, 2015 12:03:12 GMT
No he isn't He's probably just got longer left on his contract I'm not talking about contracts, or answering the original question. I'm stating a fact; Cech is a better keeper than Begovic. Anyone thinking otherwise is looking through red and white tinted specs. Cech will in 18 months time be first choice for a top side in Europe somewhere. Begovic won't. He is better, but he isn't much better.
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Post by viewfrominside on May 13, 2015 12:06:54 GMT
WTF is it that people continually fail to grasp on here It's only £8m because his contract ends next season ....if he had longer on it he'd be worth more than that depending on the length he had left on it and if we hung onto him his value would go down as his contract decreased The value of other players is totally irrelevant Not sure it is people failing to grasp it, more of a case of people reluctant to see one of our best players leave for what is regarded as pittance now taking into account premeiership club's income. We only have ourselves to blame though sadly, a decent contract on the table with a club showing ambition in transfer windows might of sweetened the deal. More will follow if the club does'nt pull their finger out and start bringing in the next level player, players want to win things or be paid a lot of money (in football terms), we do neither
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Post by Pugsley on May 13, 2015 12:07:04 GMT
Cech is proven at the very highest level, Asmir is not.
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Post by viewfrominside on May 13, 2015 12:10:28 GMT
It's quite simple, it doesnt matter what the other club value him at, we have a contract in place and our own acceptable value. Tell them toput up or fuck off and find someone else as good for their poxy £8m or wait 12 month and you can have him for free minus 12 months game time & tell Begovic the same thing
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Post by kustokie on May 13, 2015 12:20:48 GMT
I forgot we paid £3.25 million for him in the first place, effectively you'd have to knock that off anything we get for Bego. Here's another way to look at. If we consider Bego as an asset like any other piece of a business, you should take into account depreciation. I don't know what the expected work life of a keeper is but 10 years is a nice round number. If he cost 3.25 million five years ago so he's now worth half that 1.625 M. This translates to 6.5K a week on top of salary. So selling him at 8 M represents a profiit of 6.375, nice ROI. Tin hat. Not an accountant but have a thick skin.
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Post by Squeekster on May 13, 2015 12:23:29 GMT
No he isn't He's probably just got longer left on his contract I'm not talking about contracts, or answering the original question. I'm stating a fact; Cech is a better keeper than Begovic. Anyone thinking otherwise is looking through red and white tinted specs. Cech will in 18 months time be first choice for a top side in Europe somewhere. Begovic won't. Before he started wearing his head guard yes since no chance.
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