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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2015 19:48:05 GMT
When Manchester United sign Peter schmeical from FC bronby for 600k sometime in the 90's no-one had ever heard of him and during his first 10-15 games, maybe more, he was bloody awful. Brondby reached the UEFA Cup semi-final the year before he signed for Man Yoo and he played in it..... Although saying, this kid may have played in the Champions League, Midtjyland have been in it in a few times recently I think.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 11, 2015 19:48:33 GMT
I don't hope he proves me wrong tbh. I hope I never see him playing a game for the Stoke first team! But again that isn't down to his ability. The alternative to a good, open debate is some kind of North Korean situation where everything is waived through with a garland of flowers and a monotone 'In Hughes we Trust'! Can't see how that's preferable - but, you know, whatever floats your boat! Let's face it, any slightly left-field signing is going to be debated on a forum of people who are pretty passionate about the subject (unless you're in Pyongyang!) Incidentally, is it possible to take a non-humorous photo of Kim jong-un?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2015 19:48:49 GMT
Never heard of him. Bless him as he's going to get the usual ringer on here if he gets a game. I wonder what the scouts saw? Maybe penalty specialist? Were going to miss sorro's experience there. Yeah it's amazing how many penos he can save from the bench!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2015 19:50:14 GMT
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Post by baystokie on May 11, 2015 19:51:55 GMT
Thought he lost his place in the team because of a new owner, and the owner wanted his son in goal or another member of his family.....he was pushed out...!!!!! I think there is a link with the Brentford owner... ( sorry if already mentioned ) Bollocks! He lost his place because the coach Glen Riddersholm lost faith in him. The clubs new owner (the guy who also owns Brentford) funded the signing of a Swedish keeper. I heard the owner brought in the international keeper in order to safeguard their potential Champions League qualification? If so, seems like a reasonable move if you think that the youngster's inexperience is a risk. I have no idea if Sorensen has been involved in this deal but it's probable that LMH might have asked for an opinion?
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Post by Claus_SCFC on May 11, 2015 19:53:14 GMT
When Manchester United sign Peter schmeical from FC bronby for 600k sometime in the 90's no-one had ever heard of him and during his first 10-15 games, maybe more, he was bloody awful. Brondby reached the UEFA Cup semi-final the year before he signed for Man Yoo and he played in it..... Although saying, this kid may have played in the Champions League, Midtjyland have been in it in a few times recently I think. Schmeichel was 27, had 200 games in the Danish League and some 40 caps for Denmark when he signed for Manure. Hardly comparabel to young Mr. Haugaard.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2015 19:53:45 GMT
Brondby reached the UEFA Cup semi-final the year before he signed for Man Yoo and he played in it..... Although saying, this kid may have played in the Champions League, Midtjyland have been in it in a few times recently I think. Schmeichel was 27, had 200 games in the Danish League and some 40 caps for Denmark when he signed for Manure. Hardly comparabel to young Mr. Haugaard. Thank you Claus!
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Post by stokemanusa on May 11, 2015 19:57:07 GMT
Never heard of him. Bless him as he's going to get the usual ringer on here if he gets a game. I wonder what the scouts saw? Maybe penalty specialist? Were going to miss sorro's experience there. Yeah it's amazing how many penos he can save from the bench! He's always been our go to penalty man if needed in the cup. We haven't given him the opportunity in any recent competitions. Hardly his fault.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2015 19:59:47 GMT
Yeah it's amazing how many penos he can save from the bench! He's always been our go to penalty man if needed in the cup. We haven't given him the opportunity in any recent competitions. Hardly his fault. And with that, it inner a skill we miss!
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Post by stokemanusa on May 11, 2015 20:13:41 GMT
He's always been our go to penalty man if needed in the cup. We haven't given him the opportunity in any recent competitions. Hardly his fault. And with that, it inner a skill we miss! Every side needs one and it will be missed. Butland isn't a peno stopper and Begovic wasn't the greatest and he'll be off it seems. Sorrenson was the best we've had in a long while at penalty shootouts. Apparently in the copenhagen papers he's said to have decent hands and a to be a more traditional goalie. He's left footed and 6'6" Signs of a peno specialist.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2015 20:15:44 GMT
And with that, it inner a skill we miss! Every side needs one and it will be missed. Butland isn't a peno stopper and Begovic wasn't the greatest and he'll be off it seems. Sorrenson was the best we've had in a long while at penalty shootouts. Apparently in the copenhagen papers he's said to have decent hands and a to be a more traditional goalie. He's left footed and 6'6" Signs of a peno specialist.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 11, 2015 20:23:25 GMT
Brondby reached the UEFA Cup semi-final the year before he signed for Man Yoo and he played in it..... Although saying, this kid may have played in the Champions League, Midtjyland have been in it in a few times recently I think. Schmeichel was 27, had 200 games in the Danish League and some 40 caps for Denmark when he signed for Manure. Hardly comparabel to young Mr. Haugaard. The point being that no one outside of Denmark had ever heard of him and he was crap when he arrived on these shores. Claus will know more than us but it cracks me up how anyone can have an opinion on a player they've never heard of, let alone seen play.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2015 20:24:34 GMT
Schmeichel was 27, had 200 games in the Danish League and some 40 caps for Denmark when he signed for Manure. Hardly comparabel to young Mr. Haugaard. The point being that no one outside of Denmark had ever heard of him and he was crap when he arrived on these shores. Claus will know more than us but it cracks me up how anyone can have an opinion on a player they've never heard of, let alone seen play. By no one do you mean you?
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 11, 2015 20:28:51 GMT
The point being that no one outside of Denmark had ever heard of him and he was crap when he arrived on these shores. Claus will know more than us but it cracks me up how anyone can have an opinion on a player they've never heard of, let alone seen play. By no one do you mean you? Quite possibly yes but in all seriousness, at the time of schmeichel arriving at manure, my mum and dad were getting divorced and I had to spend Saturdays with him. Unfortunately for me he is a shit fan and i can tell you now that the vast majority of shit fans had never heard of him and early opinion was that he was crap.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2015 20:32:58 GMT
By no one do you mean you? At the time of schmeichel arriving at manure, my mum and dad were getting divorced and I had to spend Saturdays with him. Unfortunately for me he is a shit fan and i can tell you now that the vast majority of shit fans had never heard of him and early opinion was that he was crap. Man Yoo fans in knowing nothing shocker. Even I can remember Brondby being good back then (I was 4 at the time but from about 6ish had heard of them) that's why I had the hunch to look up if Schmeichel had played them for them far in a European competition. He had and the 40 caps for Denmark thing is quite a big point too. This bloke has seemingly played 20 odd games at about Vale's level and been dropped!
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 11, 2015 20:35:42 GMT
At the time of schmeichel arriving at manure, my mum and dad were getting divorced and I had to spend Saturdays with him. Unfortunately for me he is a shit fan and i can tell you now that the vast majority of shit fans had never heard of him and early opinion was that he was crap. Man Yoo fans in knowing nothing shocker. Even I can remember Brondby being good back then (I was 4 at the time but from about 6ish had heard of them) that's why I had the hunch to look up if Schmeichel had played them for them far in a European competition. He had and the 40 caps for Denmark thing is quite a big point too. This bloke has seemingly played 20 odd games at about Vale's level and been dropped! I played at bronby so know they were a good side. If we sign this fella, good luck to him. If tommy rates him, I'll take his thoughts over yours (or anyone else on here).
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Post by liathroid on May 11, 2015 20:36:39 GMT
The point being that no one outside of Denmark had ever heard of him and he was crap when he arrived on these shores. Claus will know more than us but it cracks me up how anyone can have an opinion on a player they've never heard of, let alone seen play. By no one do you mean me? Attachment Deleted
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Post by FullerMagic on May 11, 2015 20:37:56 GMT
Schmeichel was 27, had 200 games in the Danish League and some 40 caps for Denmark when he signed for Manure. Hardly comparabel to young Mr. Haugaard. The point being that no one outside of Denmark had ever heard of him and he was crap when he arrived on these shores. Claus will know more than us but it cracks me up how anyone can have an opinion on a player they've never heard of, let alone seen play. I don't think anyone bar Claus actually claims to have an opinion on him as such. But surely his profile doesn't scream Premier League No.2 keeper on the surface? Lack of games overall Dropped after half a season in poor league Actual Danish Stoke fan not rating him at all Normally in cases like this the positive Stokie has more ammo at their disposal to just nod acceptingly and trust in the management. I know if you can't say anything positive, you're better off saying nothing - but it'd be a pretty short thread if we followed that mantra in this case! If he's 3rd choice, it'll prove to be an irrelevance in all likelihood. But with murmurings from Denmark that he's maybe (and only maybe) viewed as more than that, I can't see what's wrong with a bit of discussion. Schmeichel was voted the 10th best keeper in the world before he joined Man United and had been an international for 4 yrs, so there was probably more room for optimism there. I'm not discounting the fact that Cruickshank, Sorensen, Quy or another of our superscouts have spotted something that others has missed, but it does mean it's a bit of a leap into the unknown, especially if he is the No.2. It's only really the fact he's potentially the No.2 that raises red flags with me. If he's No.3 or 4, it's likely to be an absolute irrelevance and a cheap gamble on someone who may become something or may not with a few loans and 2-3 yrs and nothing to remotely worry anyone.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 11, 2015 20:40:43 GMT
The point being that no one outside of Denmark had ever heard of him and he was crap when he arrived on these shores. Claus will know more than us but it cracks me up how anyone can have an opinion on a player they've never heard of, let alone seen play. I don't think anyone bar Claus actually claims to have an opinion on him as such. But surely his profile doesn't scream Premier League No.2 keeper on the surface? Lack of games overall Dropped after half a season in poor league Actual Danish Stoke fan not rating him at all Normally in cases like this the positive Stokie has more ammo at their disposal to just nod acceptingly and trust in the management. I know if you can't say anything positive, you're better off saying nothing - but it'd be a pretty short thread if we followed that mantra in this case! If he's 3rd choice, it'll prove to be an irrelevance in all likelihood. But with murmurings from Denmark that he's maybe (and only maybe) viewed as more than that, I can't see what's wrong with a bit of discussion. Schmeichel was voted the 10th best keeper in the world before he joined Man United and had been an international for 4 yrs, so there was probably more room for optimism there. I'm not discounting the fact that Cruickshank, Sorensen, Quy or another of our superscouts has spotted something that others has missed, but it does mean it's a bit of a leap into the unknown, especially if he is the No.2. It's the only really the fact he's potentially the No.2 that raises red flags with me. If he's No.3 or 4, it's likely to be an absolute irrelevance and a cheap gamble on someone who may become something or may not with a few loans and 2-3 yrs Common sense tells you he won't be our no.2 keeper next season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2015 20:41:06 GMT
Man Yoo fans in knowing nothing shocker. Even I can remember Brondby being good back then (I was 4 at the time but from about 6ish had heard of them) that's why I had the hunch to look up if Schmeichel had played them for them far in a European competition. He had and the 40 caps for Denmark thing is quite a big point too. This bloke has seemingly played 20 odd games at about Vale's level and been dropped! I played at bronby so know they were a good side. If we sign this fella, good luck to him. If tommy rates him, I'll take his thoughts over yours (or anyone else on here). I have no thoughts on him, "he sounds awful" isn't an opinion on him! And if Ri....Tommy recommends a player you have to listen! Old skool reference.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 11, 2015 20:42:15 GMT
I don't think anyone bar Claus actually claims to have an opinion on him as such. But surely his profile doesn't scream Premier League No.2 keeper on the surface? Lack of games overall Dropped after half a season in poor league Actual Danish Stoke fan not rating him at all Normally in cases like this the positive Stokie has more ammo at their disposal to just nod acceptingly and trust in the management. I know if you can't say anything positive, you're better off saying nothing - but it'd be a pretty short thread if we followed that mantra in this case! If he's 3rd choice, it'll prove to be an irrelevance in all likelihood. But with murmurings from Denmark that he's maybe (and only maybe) viewed as more than that, I can't see what's wrong with a bit of discussion. Schmeichel was voted the 10th best keeper in the world before he joined Man United and had been an international for 4 yrs, so there was probably more room for optimism there. I'm not discounting the fact that Cruickshank, Sorensen, Quy or another of our superscouts has spotted something that others has missed, but it does mean it's a bit of a leap into the unknown, especially if he is the No.2. It's the only really the fact he's potentially the No.2 that raises red flags with me. If he's No.3 or 4, it's likely to be an absolute irrelevance and a cheap gamble on someone who may become something or may not with a few loans and 2-3 yrs Common sense tells you he won't be our no.2 keeper next season. And yet the journo who broke the story is saying he will be?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2015 20:43:21 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 11, 2015 20:43:31 GMT
I played at bronby so know they were a good side. If we sign this fella, good luck to him. If tommy rates him, I'll take his thoughts over yours (or anyone else on here). I have no thoughts on him, "he sounds awful" isn't an opinion on him! And if Ri....Tommy recommends a player you have to listen! Old skool reference. With tommy set to retire in the summer its a bit different than him wanting his mate around isn't it, if indeed its true that recommendation comes from Sorensen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2015 20:45:50 GMT
I have no thoughts on him, "he sounds awful" isn't an opinion on him! And if Ri....Tommy recommends a player you have to listen! Old skool reference. With tommy set to retire in the summer its a bit different than him wanting his mate around isn't it, if indeed its true that recommendation comes from Sorensen. Maybe, I wouldn't trust it though because he could easily have a vested interest that a proper scout wouldn't.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 11, 2015 20:45:59 GMT
Common sense tells you he won't be our no.2 keeper next season. And yet the journo who broke the story is saying he will be? That's it then. It must be true. I'm worried sick now. What the fuck will we do when tommy retires, asmir goes on strike to force a move and butland breaks his leg? Doomed I tell thee!
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Post by liathroid on May 11, 2015 20:46:03 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2015 20:46:59 GMT
Can someone else tell him or shall I?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 11, 2015 20:48:54 GMT
And yet the journo who broke the story is saying he will be? That's it then. It must be true. I'm worried sick now. What the fuck will we do when tommy retires, asmir goes on strike to force a move and butland breaks his leg? Doomed I tell thee! Well, it seems pretty clear that Asmir and Soro won't be here come August. I'd be staggered if we don't bring in someone experienced to back up Butland. It won't be this guy in all probability. And it's only this slight suggestion he will be the primary back-up that's prompting any kind of debate - a debate which is now disappearing up its own arse!
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 11, 2015 20:55:45 GMT
That's it then. It must be true. I'm worried sick now. What the fuck will we do when tommy retires, asmir goes on strike to force a move and butland breaks his leg? Doomed I tell thee! Well, it seems pretty clear that Asmir and Soro won't be here come August. I'd be staggered if we don't bring in someone experienced to back up Butland. It won't be this guy in all probability. And it's only this slight suggestion he will be the primary back-up that's prompting any kind of debate - a debate which is now disappearing up its own arse! As I mentioned earlier I'm hoping we might convince Tommy to stick around for one more year. If he doesn't, regardless of whether this guy arrives or not, you can be fairly confident that we will sign a goalkeeper with some experience to push butland.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 11, 2015 21:06:20 GMT
Well, it seems pretty clear that Asmir and Soro won't be here come August. I'd be staggered if we don't bring in someone experienced to back up Butland. It won't be this guy in all probability. And it's only this slight suggestion he will be the primary back-up that's prompting any kind of debate - a debate which is now disappearing up its own arse! As I mentioned earlier I'm hoping we might convince Tommy to stick around for one more year. If he doesn't, regardless of whether this guy arrives or not, you can be fairly confident that we will sign a goalkeeper with some experience to push butland. Yeah, agreed. If we are in the process of signing this guy, he seems like a cheap, low-risk gamble - with the experienced campaigner who'll challenge Butland still to arrive later in the summer (should Asmir and Soro both depart which isn't absolutely 100%). Our management aren't idiots, so rookie mistakes aren't probably on the list of ones they'd make in building (or completely re-building in this case) a Premier League goalkeeping pool
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