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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 20:19:41 GMT
Cambiasso has played relatively advanced for Leicester though and if N'Zonzi is a defensive midfielder then i'm Alan Shearer. He hasn't got the work rate, positional sense or tackling ability. Whelan knocks spots off him in that regard and neither him or Whelan are a patch on Delap for covering holes and suchlike.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 20, 2015 21:38:23 GMT
www.football365.com/faves/9815288/F365-s-Top-Ten-Unheralded-Players-Of-The-Season7) Steven N'Zonzi (Stoke City)Stoke's achievement of ninth place might seem anything but spectacular, but it is worth emphasising the budget on which Mark Hughes has worked. Hughes has spent less than £8m in the last four transfer windows combined. That's more than £2m less than Hull paid for Abel Hernandez alone.
Key to Stoke's progress has been the improvement in Steven N'Zonzi's game. The Frenchman's career was in danger of drifting after joining from Blackburn in 2012, but has been instrumental in controlling the game from midfield. He has completed 1,559 passes this season, over 600 more than any other Stoke player. The only four players in the Premier League with more are Cesc Fabregas, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Nemanja Matic. A Stoke player in such lofty company!
N'Zonzi is also Stoke's only outfielder to start every league match. Only Marko Arnautovic and Victor Moses have created more chances and only Phil Bardsley and Erik Pieters have made more tackles. Stop him playing, and you stop Stoke playing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 21:45:39 GMT
www.football365.com/faves/9815288/F365-s-Top-Ten-Unheralded-Players-Of-The-Season7) Steven N'Zonzi (Stoke City)Stoke's achievement of ninth place might seem anything but spectacular, but it is worth emphasising the budget on which Mark Hughes has worked. Hughes has spent less than £8m in the last four transfer windows combined. That's more than £2m less than Hull paid for Abel Hernandez alone.
Key to Stoke's progress has been the improvement in Steven N'Zonzi's game. The Frenchman's career was in danger of drifting after joining from Blackburn in 2012, but has been instrumental in controlling the game from midfield. He has completed 1,559 passes this season, over 600 more than any other Stoke player. The only four players in the Premier League with more are Cesc Fabregas, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Nemanja Matic. A Stoke player in such lofty company!
N'Zonzi is also Stoke's only outfielder to start every league match. Only Marko Arnautovic and Victor Moses have created more chances and only Phil Bardsley and Erik Pieters have made more tackles. Stop him playing, and you stop Stoke playing. I despair at Stoke fans who can't see how good N'Zonzi is. The only weakness to his game is his finishing, but then if he scored 8 goals a season he wouldn't be plying his trade with the Mighty Potters.....
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Apr 20, 2015 21:59:04 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Apr 20, 2015 21:59:04 GMT
www.football365.com/faves/9815288/F365-s-Top-Ten-Unheralded-Players-Of-The-Season7) Steven N'Zonzi (Stoke City)Stoke's achievement of ninth place might seem anything but spectacular, but it is worth emphasising the budget on which Mark Hughes has worked. Hughes has spent less than £8m in the last four transfer windows combined. That's more than £2m less than Hull paid for Abel Hernandez alone.
Key to Stoke's progress has been the improvement in Steven N'Zonzi's game. The Frenchman's career was in danger of drifting after joining from Blackburn in 2012, but has been instrumental in controlling the game from midfield. He has completed 1,559 passes this season, over 600 more than any other Stoke player. The only four players in the Premier League with more are Cesc Fabregas, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Nemanja Matic. A Stoke player in such lofty company!
N'Zonzi is also Stoke's only outfielder to start every league match. Only Marko Arnautovic and Victor Moses have created more chances and only Phil Bardsley and Erik Pieters have made more tackles. Stop him playing, and you stop Stoke playing. I also listed a load of stats a while ago that had his average mark per game was 6.78 which of course is average. The Sun gave him a 5 again in the papers after the weekend. Only two other players had that low a mark. His key passes over the season were really low, so for all the passes you've quoted, compare them with the players you've put him alongside. The bottom line is he divides opinion. Some back him no matter how he plays. They give him motm when the nationals and media give him a 5. He's somewhere inbetween. Some think we are soon expecting a huge bid from man city, some think he'd struggle to attract a bid from hull city.
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Apr 21, 2015 6:31:10 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 6:31:10 GMT
Cambiasso has played relatively advanced for Leicester though and if N'Zonzi is a defensive midfielder then i'm Alan Shearer. He hasn't got the work rate, positional sense or tackling ability. Whelan knocks spots off him in that regard and neither him or Whelan are a patch on Delap for covering holes and suchlike. But they are dm's? Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 6:44:43 GMT
Cambiasso has played relatively advanced for Leicester though and if N'Zonzi is a defensive midfielder then i'm Alan Shearer. He hasn't got the work rate, positional sense or tackling ability. Whelan knocks spots off him in that regard and neither him or Whelan are a patch on Delap for covering holes and suchlike. But they are dm's? Thanks. How can you rate them as DMs when they aren't being used as such?
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Apr 21, 2015 6:45:48 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 6:45:48 GMT
But they are dm's? Thanks. How can you rate them as DMs when they aren't being used as such? Are they AM's then?
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Apr 21, 2015 6:48:44 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 6:48:44 GMT
"only Phil Bardsley and Erik Pieters have made more tackles"
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Apr 21, 2015 7:13:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 7:13:38 GMT
How can you rate them as DMs when they aren't being used as such? Are they AM's then? Cambiasso is being used further forward and is not being used as a typical DM. NZonzi is a box to box midfielder. Compare that to how a typical DM is utilised then you realise that Mr Collymore is little bit off. Unless you agree that both players are playing roles similar to Makelele at Chelsea, guarding the back four? As for the tackling stats, i'd love to see a breakdown of how they are being judged - rather than blindly quoting them as gospel.
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Apr 21, 2015 7:19:21 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 7:19:21 GMT
Cambiasso is being used further forward and is not being used as a typical DM. NZonzi is a box to box midfielder. Compare that to how a typical DM is utilised then you realise that Mr Collymore is little bit off. Unless you agree that both players are playing roles similar to Makelele at Chelsea, guarding the back four? As for the tackling stats, i'd love to see a breakdown of how they are being judged - rather than blindly quoting them as gospel. They are primarily there to defend yes, that doesn't mean that they can't cross the half way line or make a pass of over 10 yards. Re the stats, you could always go and research them, and seeing that it's Nzonzi, u think you might.
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Apr 21, 2015 7:29:44 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 7:29:44 GMT
Cambiasso is being used further forward and is not being used as a typical DM. NZonzi is a box to box midfielder. Compare that to how a typical DM is utilised then you realise that Mr Collymore is little bit off. Unless you agree that both players are playing roles similar to Makelele at Chelsea, guarding the back four? As for the tackling stats, i'd love to see a breakdown of how they are being judged - rather than blindly quoting them as gospel. They are primarily there to defend yes, that doesn't mean that they can't cross the half way line or make a pass of over 10 yards. Re the stats, you could always go and research them, and seeing that it's Nzonzi, u think you might. I already have done my research, which is why I'm suggesting the F365 stats are broken down and presented.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 7:35:04 GMT
How anyone can not rate Nzonzi is beyond me.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Apr 21, 2015 8:13:03 GMT
How anyone can not rate Nzonzi is beyond me. I can understand fans of other teams not appreciating him because he doesn't score many goals and that's what makes the headlines. Stoke fans that watch him every week and can't see that he makes us tick is frankly,strange.
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Apr 21, 2015 8:45:07 GMT
Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 21, 2015 8:45:07 GMT
Cambiasso is the definition of "box to box".. definitely not an out and out defensive midfielder. Neither is N'Zonzi, he's a deep lying "play maker"
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Post by ohbottom on Apr 21, 2015 9:16:55 GMT
www.football365.com/faves/9815288/F365-s-Top-Ten-Unheralded-Players-Of-The-Season7) Steven N'Zonzi (Stoke City)Stoke's achievement of ninth place might seem anything but spectacular, but it is worth emphasising the budget on which Mark Hughes has worked. Hughes has spent less than £8m in the last four transfer windows combined. That's more than £2m less than Hull paid for Abel Hernandez alone.
Key to Stoke's progress has been the improvement in Steven N'Zonzi's game. The Frenchman's career was in danger of drifting after joining from Blackburn in 2012, but has been instrumental in controlling the game from midfield. He has completed 1,559 passes this season, over 600 more than any other Stoke player. The only four players in the Premier League with more are Cesc Fabregas, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Nemanja Matic. A Stoke player in such lofty company!
N'Zonzi is also Stoke's only outfielder to start every league match. Only Marko Arnautovic and Victor Moses have created more chances and only Phil Bardsley and Erik Pieters have made more tackles. Stop him playing, and you stop Stoke playing. I also listed a load of stats a while ago that had his average mark per game was 6.78 which of course is average. The Sun gave him a 5 again in the papers after the weekend. Only two other players had that low a mark. His key passes over the season were really low, so for all the passes you've quoted, compare them with the players you've put him alongside. The bottom line is he divides opinion. Some back him no matter how he plays. They give him motm when the nationals and media give him a 5. He's somewhere inbetween. Some think we are soon expecting a huge bid from man city, some think he'd struggle to attract a bid from hull city. The "stats" you quote aren't really stats though are they? The marks given by papers are not stats, they're an opinion. Passes completed, distance covered, tackles made, headers won - these are stats. A mark in a paper is 1 journos opinion. If the Sun gave Nzonzi a 5 then they weren't watching the same game as me, but then on the few occasions I've read reports in that rag I've had a strong impression the reporter didn't actually watch the game but some highlights package. There's folk said on here he can't tackle, presumably because he tends not to dive in and send the other player arse over tit, but his ability to break up the play and win the ball back by getting a foot in or intercepting a pass is superb. There's folk on here who say he always passes it backwards, presumably because they ignore all the forward passes and runs he makes, wait till he passes it back and go "There! See! Told you he always passes it backwards!". The fact that he'll be involved in virtually all our attacking moves will be ignored. When he first came to us I thought he was the best MF we'd had since Huddy. I still think that. His finishing is poor, he's perhaps not as strong in he air as someone his size should be and sometimes he is slow to spot a pass, but his ability on the ball is first class. I don't understand how people can watch game after game and not see it. But then I'm always amazed at how many folk really only see what they want to see.
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Apr 21, 2015 9:22:03 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 9:22:03 GMT
So at some point of the game he is a defensive midfielder?
Thanks.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 21, 2015 10:02:08 GMT
NZonzi isn't a typical box to box player. But he isn't a defensive midfielder either. In our system (4231) he tends to play in advance of the DM (Whelan) and behind or alongside the Number 10 (Bojan or Ireland). If we played 442 he would be the more advanced of the two central midfielders - i.e. the Eustace role.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 21, 2015 10:11:42 GMT
If Bojan rates him (after all, he plays with him and probably appreciates what type of passes he makes), then that is good enough for me.Don't ever quote The Sun as an authoritative source of anything except s***. N'zonzi is far more of a necessity for Stoke to continue to improve, than Glen, whom we could replace if necessary from the existing squad. N'zonzi, we could'nt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 10:24:51 GMT
Along with Bojan (who has stated he loves playing with him), N'Zonzi is the best footballer at the club. Yes he should score more and yes his sulking is annoying but without him we are without doubt a poorer 11 as most of our player goes through him. Player of the season for me.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 21, 2015 10:28:54 GMT
The only criticism I can really aim at N'zonzi is that he doesn't run back to his own goal anywhere near as quickly as runs forward. That is a common trait in players and in certain games at certain times it can be infuriating, particularly if we're under the cosh.
That aside, N'zonzi is a fine footballer who enables our team to play in tight spaces, to keep the ball and to launch attacks. He's improved in every season he's been with us, each season being a better one than his last. Can you really ask for much more?
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Apr 21, 2015 10:53:21 GMT
Post by huddy on Apr 21, 2015 10:53:21 GMT
Nzonzi is so talented.There's just something that holds him back from becoming a truly top player.Can't work out if its attitude but it's frustrating and I say that as a real fan of his.
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Post by foster on Apr 21, 2015 11:11:33 GMT
N'Zonzi is fucking brilliant and without doubt one of the clubs best and most important players.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:32:44 GMT
Post by larstoke on Apr 21, 2015 11:32:44 GMT
What a player this lad has been for us. poor mans yaya toure, just lacking a few goals. hope we keep him and get in a better DM to play alongside him for next season with whelan as backup!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 21, 2015 11:47:57 GMT
N'Zonzi is fucking brilliant and without doubt one of the clubs best and most important players. Totally agree.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:51:08 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Apr 21, 2015 11:51:08 GMT
Steven needs to give the ball away more and then work his nuts off to get it back. He might then be appreciated by Stoke supporters.
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Apr 21, 2015 15:59:45 GMT
Post by pez75 on Apr 21, 2015 15:59:45 GMT
Steven needs to give the ball away more and then work his nuts off to get it back. He might then be appreciated by Stoke supporters. Still would not work Pugs - it's all about 'DNA' apparently...
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Apr 21, 2015 16:32:20 GMT
Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Apr 21, 2015 16:32:20 GMT
I think you can always tell a class player by the amount of time on the ball they appear to have, and N,Zonzi always appears to have time in abundance.Yes he should score more goals but if he did its unlikely he would be at Stoke.
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Apr 21, 2015 17:43:20 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Apr 21, 2015 17:43:20 GMT
I also listed a load of stats a while ago that had his average mark per game was 6.78 which of course is average. The Sun gave him a 5 again in the papers after the weekend. Only two other players had that low a mark. His key passes over the season were really low, so for all the passes you've quoted, compare them with the players you've put him alongside. The bottom line is he divides opinion. Some back him no matter how he plays. They give him motm when the nationals and media give him a 5. He's somewhere inbetween. Some think we are soon expecting a huge bid from man city, some think he'd struggle to attract a bid from hull city. The "stats" you quote aren't really stats though are they? The marks given by papers are not stats, they're an opinion. Passes completed, distance covered, tackles made, headers won - these are stats. A mark in a paper is 1 journos opinion. If the Sun gave Nzonzi a 5 then they weren't watching the same game as me, but then on the few occasions I've read reports in that rag I've had a strong impression the reporter didn't actually watch the game but some highlights package. There's folk said on here he can't tackle, presumably because he tends not to dive in and send the other player arse over tit, but his ability to break up the play and win the ball back by getting a foot in or intercepting a pass is superb. There's folk on here who say he always passes it backwards, presumably because they ignore all the forward passes and runs he makes, wait till he passes it back and go "There! See! Told you he always passes it backwards!". The fact that he'll be involved in virtually all our attacking moves will be ignored. When he first came to us I thought he was the best MF we'd had since Huddy. I still think that. His finishing is poor, he's perhaps not as strong in he air as someone his size should be and sometimes he is slow to spot a pass, but his ability on the ball is first class. I don't understand how people can watch game after game and not see it. But then I'm always amazed at how many folk really only see what they want to see. No the marks in the papers are a seperate thing. I had a look a bit ago about his stats his average mark of 6.78 was just one of them. There were others I listed at the time that were interesting. One was his key passes. Now that was low, but now I know he's as described above, a deep lying ball player that will explain it! I don't like this he covers more ground than anyone else nonsense either. Mourinho summed it up perfectly the other week. He said I would rather have some that runs half the distance but influences the game than someone who always tops the distance covered stat. I've watched goals this season where he is seen jogging back to the 18 yard box when they are attacking while others are seen sprinting and throwing themselves at it. This has obviously been a problem that Hughes and co have noticed as he is now showing more urgency in his play. At Chelsea I was clapping him thinking that's what we have asked for. If he improves like that great, I'll stop my criticism. Just annoys me when people talk him up as a great, that man city are looking at him, he would walk into old Trafford,and he's worth mega money. He's not at the moment. If he was we'd have bids from them and all of Europe that we can't turn down. Let's see if he improves as that's what Hughes has said and he needed to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 17:44:41 GMT
So at some point of the game he is a defensive midfielder? Thanks. At any point of a game we could have 11 defenders. Doesn't mean they are all defensive players. Thanks.
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NZONZI
Apr 21, 2015 17:51:28 GMT
Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 21, 2015 17:51:28 GMT
NZonzi isn't a typical box to box player. But he isn't a defensive midfielder either. In our system (4231) he tends to play in advance of the DM (Whelan) and behind or alongside the Number 10 (Bojan or Ireland). If we played 442 he would be the more advanced of the two central midfielders - i.e. the Eustace role. Then our formation is actually 41131, when Glenn and Steven play.
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