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Post by sportsman on Apr 19, 2015 7:35:00 GMT
Mike pejic made the right point yesterday. He said the difference in the two teams is in midfield. He said when stoke had the ball it was slow and predictable, players watching each other attempt to pass. He said when Southampton had the ball they all made diagonal runs to create space to always be available to receive the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 7:35:56 GMT
Who has rated him at £30m? Nobody.
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NZONZI
Apr 19, 2015 7:36:55 GMT
Post by sportsman on Apr 19, 2015 7:36:55 GMT
Who has rated him at £30m? Quite a few on here. They said the top six would take him. How much does a top six midfielder cost?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 19, 2015 7:40:27 GMT
Who has rated him at £30m? Quite a few on here. They said the top six would take him. How much does a top six midfielder cost? So who specifically has quoted the fee £30m? Are you suggesting every single midfielder in the squad of the top six cost £30m?
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Post by bertiebigguns on Apr 19, 2015 7:48:39 GMT
The precision required to play the ball off the bar to the feet of Diouf for our first goal mustn't go unnoticed, it takes a player with spectacular talents to achieve that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 7:56:27 GMT
Mike pejic made the right point yesterday. He said the difference in the two teams is in midfield. He said when stoke had the ball it was slow and predictable, players watching each other attempt to pass. He said when Southampton had the ball they all made diagonal runs to create space to always be available to receive the ball. 100% bang on the money. Our build up play can be slow and ponderous and our two centre mids are the main culprits.
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Apr 19, 2015 7:59:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 7:59:30 GMT
I noticed that too today. There was a period in the second half and the crowd yet again staring booing, moaning and jeering. He looked right fucked off. These so called Stoke fans are very close to driving a very good midfielder out of this football club! Very sad. Can't say I could blame him for wanting to leave Very good midfielder is an understatement mate,he's genuinely top 6 material. Good player but his inabilty to play a killer ball and score goals suggest hes playing at the correct level.
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NZONZI
Apr 19, 2015 8:23:03 GMT
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 19, 2015 8:23:03 GMT
His performance today pretty much spells out that he'll be a Stoke player next season, found his level and will never surpass it. Shame really as if he wanted he'd be without doubt a top four player. Don't think it's a question of desire to be honest,the lack of goals in his game is what is holding him back from being a superb player.
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Apr 19, 2015 8:28:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 8:28:42 GMT
It was pretty embarrassing that miss yesterday. For a player who has such composure and control in the middle of the park he sure loses his head when he gets in and around the box.
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Apr 19, 2015 8:31:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 8:31:23 GMT
Yep -shocking miss froma candidate for player of the season - I thought he did well to recover but got absolutely knackered (and a bit dis-hearteneed) by the
extra cover he was having to provide to cater for 'less agile colleagues'
and I cant rmemember seeing him looking so knackered in agame before - maybe he just had a cold or something ?
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Apr 19, 2015 8:53:19 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Apr 19, 2015 8:53:19 GMT
Mike pejic made the right point yesterday. He said the difference in the two teams is in midfield. He said when stoke had the ball it was slow and predictable, players watching each other attempt to pass. He said when Southampton had the ball they all made diagonal runs to create space to always be available to receive the ball. 100% bang on the money. Our build up play can be slow and ponderous and our two centre mids are the main culprits. Greenhoff I don't think it's fair to blame Whelan, he's in the side purely to sit, as we saw in the World Cup when full backs bomb on there's always a midfielder about to provide cover. N'Zonzi should be the link but he doesn't link it fast enough. I'll take a lot of stick for this comment but as I said earlier in the year, undoubtedly N'Zonzi is a better player than Adam, but I think we'd look a better team for having Adam's forward thinking mind in that position. If he could get himself properly fit then I see no reason why he couldn't challenge N'Zonzi massively.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 19, 2015 10:19:37 GMT
Mike pejic made the right point yesterday. He said the difference in the two teams is in midfield. He said when stoke had the ball it was slow and predictable, players watching each other attempt to pass. He said when Southampton had the ball they all made diagonal runs to create space to always be available to receive the ball. THeir midfield were anonymous! It's where we imo won the game, we kept their midfield quiet and because they created absolutely sod all from open play.
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Apr 19, 2015 11:05:10 GMT
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 19, 2015 11:05:10 GMT
I can't believe the stick Nzonzi gets, what about Whelan making a forward pass?
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Apr 19, 2015 11:10:32 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 19, 2015 11:10:32 GMT
Whelan in the first half yesterday played worse than my Gran......she's been dead 15 years. He was just awful. Credit to him though he improved immeasurably in the second half.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 19, 2015 11:11:16 GMT
Whelan on the ball was awful. Defensively though he was alright.
I thought Nzonzi was alright too.
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Apr 19, 2015 11:27:44 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Apr 19, 2015 11:27:44 GMT
I can't believe the stick Nzonzi gets, what about Whelan making a forward pass? That's not Whelan's job, Whelan sits. The one man cage if you like. N'Zonzi is the link and he doesn't do it fast enough. He's not a bad player by any means but he is over rated.
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Apr 19, 2015 11:28:46 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 19, 2015 11:28:46 GMT
I can't believe the stick Nzonzi gets, what about Whelan making a forward pass? That's not Whelan's job, Whelan sits. The one man cage if you like. N'Zonzi is the link and he doesn't do it fast enough. He's not a bad player by any means but he is over rated. Whelan's passing yesterday in the first half was akin to a crime against football!
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Apr 19, 2015 11:31:29 GMT
Post by reddipotter on Apr 19, 2015 11:31:29 GMT
100% bang on the money. Our build up play can be slow and ponderous and our two centre mids are the main culprits. Greenhoff I don't think it's fair to blame Whelan, he's in the side purely to sit, as we saw in the World Cup when full backs bomb on there's always a midfielder about to provide cover. N'Zonzi should be the link but he doesn't link it fast enough. I'll take a lot of stick for this comment but as I said earlier in the year, undoubtedly N'Zonzi is a better player than Adam, but I think we'd look a better team for having Adam's forward thinking mind in that position. If he could get himself properly fit then I see no reason why he couldn't challenge N'Zonzi massively. I agree. I think we should try Charlie in that position and see what happens. The other factor, especially noticeable yesterday, was the lack of movement from the forward players. Mostly, they just stood still waiting for something to happen.
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Apr 19, 2015 11:35:17 GMT
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 19, 2015 11:35:17 GMT
I can't believe the stick Nzonzi gets, what about Whelan making a forward pass? That's not Whelan's job, Whelan sits. The one man cage if you like. N'Zonzi is the link and he doesn't do it fast enough. He's not a bad player by any means but he is over rated. Most defensive mids play forward paces, It's no excuse.
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Apr 19, 2015 11:37:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 11:37:00 GMT
Having watched Fonzy now I truely believe he is a 10 million pound player.
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Apr 19, 2015 11:39:16 GMT
Post by jarhead on Apr 19, 2015 11:39:16 GMT
Everybody was shocking yesterday BUT we still won which is a good sign against a very good side.
Nzonzi looked totally knackered to me like he was suffering with summa.
He's a great player for us and makes us tick over in midfield.
Bad performance but a Stunning win.
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Apr 19, 2015 11:46:00 GMT
Post by kustokie on Apr 19, 2015 11:46:00 GMT
Greenhoff I don't think it's fair to blame Whelan, he's in the side purely to sit, as we saw in the World Cup when full backs bomb on there's always a midfielder about to provide cover. N'Zonzi should be the link but he doesn't link it fast enough. I'll take a lot of stick for this comment but as I said earlier in the year, undoubtedly N'Zonzi is a better player than Adam, but I think we'd look a better team for having Adam's forward thinking mind in that position. If he could get himself properly fit then I see no reason why he couldn't challenge N'Zonzi massively. I agree. I think we should try Charlie in that position and see what happens. The other factor, especially noticeable yesterday, was the lack of movement from the forward players. Mostly, they just stood still waiting for something to happen. Really? I thought Diouf ran his butt off as usual.
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Apr 19, 2015 11:46:10 GMT
Post by sportsman on Apr 19, 2015 11:46:10 GMT
Having watched Fonzy now I truely believe he is a 10 million pound player. I take it that's not top six material then?
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Apr 19, 2015 11:51:33 GMT
Post by underdog on Apr 19, 2015 11:51:33 GMT
Confidence player int eee. Worst thing you can do is get on his back. I thought overall he had a good game, didnt always make great decisions but was involved in most of the good play.
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Apr 19, 2015 11:52:29 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 11:52:29 GMT
Having watched Fonzy now I truely believe he is a 10 million pound player. I take it that's not top six material then? I dont think he is, he has a couple of flaws that hold him back. And thank goodness he does because he is crucial for us.
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Apr 19, 2015 11:59:26 GMT
Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 19, 2015 11:59:26 GMT
I like N'Zonzi but he is overrated by many on this board. He's athletic but can switch off a lot, I also think that by slowing the game down so much he often hinders our potential fast breaks. For his position he needs to chip in with the odd goal here and there. Don't get me wrong I don't want him gone, but I'd sooner replace him than Whelan in an ideal world. If we could just inject some of Charlie's drive into his game he'd be one of the best in the league in his position I'd much rather get rid of Whelan. I agree N'Zonzi has his faults, but I just don't see much in Whelan at all. In fairness to Sportsman he has said both are useless and a few times this season we have completely lost the plot in midfield. It's an area that needs addressing for sure.
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Apr 19, 2015 12:07:11 GMT
Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 19, 2015 12:07:11 GMT
Thought he took the negative crowd vibes really badly today.God knows why there were negative vibes but there definitely were and it visibly shook him up. I honestly thought today that he felt like giving up,like he felt that the fans were ungrateful towards him.I genuinely felt sorry for him today. I noticed that too today. There was a period in the second half and the crowd yet again staring booing, moaning and jeering. He looked right fucked off. These so called Stoke fans are very close to driving a very good midfielder out of this football club! Very sad. Can't say I could blame him for wanting to leave Fair point. I wonder what the reaction would be if people started attacking Ryan or Glen on a consistent basis?
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Apr 19, 2015 12:12:57 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Apr 19, 2015 12:12:57 GMT
That's not Whelan's job, Whelan sits. The one man cage if you like. N'Zonzi is the link and he doesn't do it fast enough. He's not a bad player by any means but he is over rated. Most defensive mids play forward passes, It's no excuse. Whilst I agree with that I do think that passing is less important in Glenn's role than N'Zonzi's. Whelan is the ultimate pro, does a lot unseen work and his organisation is key to holding us together. N'Zonzi has probably the most important role in our team by linking the defensive 5 to the 4 attackers. He has all the attributes to do it and could be world class but he just isn't. As I said earlier he lacks the drive and forward thinking that say Charlie Adam brings despite being a far better player than Charlie. Out of interest what were your views on Rory?
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Apr 19, 2015 12:35:49 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 19, 2015 12:35:49 GMT
Who has rated him at £30m? Quite a few on here. They said the top six would take him. How much does a top six midfielder cost? Not 30 mil
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Apr 19, 2015 12:38:15 GMT
Post by sportsman on Apr 19, 2015 12:38:15 GMT
Quite a few on here. They said the top six would take him. How much does a top six midfielder cost? Not 30 mil How much do they cost?
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