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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 19, 2015 12:40:21 GMT
Not 30 mil How much do they cost? Range from free to 100 zillion million, there's no set cost for a player at any level, its bizarre that you think there is.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 19, 2015 12:40:56 GMT
Not 30 mil How much do they cost? How long is a piece of string?
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NZONZI
Apr 19, 2015 12:43:22 GMT
Post by march4 on Apr 19, 2015 12:43:22 GMT
I think N'Zonzi will be gone this summer.
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NZONZI
Apr 19, 2015 13:02:17 GMT
Post by sportsman on Apr 19, 2015 13:02:17 GMT
Range from free to 100 zillion million, there's no set cost for a player at any level, its bizarre that you think there is. So if any of the top 6 want to buy a ready made midfielder this summer, how much? Are you telling me 6m? If you are you are talking bollocks. Ask United how much a centre midfielder is going cost them this summer. Ask man city how much. If they're free they are out of contract. So you're saying nzonzi is out of contract? Makes me laugh when his 'supporters' come out with saying they're glad he can't pass quickly through midfield, can't shoot, and can't score else he wouldn't be at stoke. Can't we hope to find one of them for a bargain as we aren't a top six side and they are out there. The top clubs won't bother with them until they are storming the league at somewhere else, for 30m!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 19, 2015 13:04:42 GMT
Range from free to 100 zillion million, there's no set cost for a player at any level, its bizarre that you think there is. So if any of the top 6 want to buy a ready made midfielder this summer, how much? Are you telling me 6m? If you are you are talking bollocks. Ask United how much a centre midfielder is going cost them this summer. Ask man city how much. If they're free they are out of contract. So you're saying nzonzi is out of contract? Makes me laugh when his 'supporters' come out with saying they're glad he can't pass quickly through midfield, can't shoot, and can't score else he wouldn't be at stoke. Can't we hope to find one of them for a bargain as we aren't a top six side and they are out there. The top clubs won't bother with them until they are storming the league at somewhere else, for 30m! Again, you do know that there are midfielders at top six clubs who didn't cost £30m, right?
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Apr 19, 2015 13:08:09 GMT
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 19, 2015 13:08:09 GMT
Most defensive mids play forward passes, It's no excuse. Whilst I agree with that I do think that passing is less important in Glenn's role than N'Zonzi's. Whelan is the ultimate pro, does a lot unseen work and his organisation is key to holding us together. N'Zonzi has probably the most important role in our team by linking the defensive 5 to the 4 attackers. He has all the attributes to do it and could be world class but he just isn't. As I said earlier he lacks the drive and forward thinking that say Charlie Adam brings despite being a far better player than Charlie. Out of interest what were your views on Rory? I would just like to see him pass forward more, I do think Whelan has been different player under Hughes. I can't crticise him for how good he's been I'd just like to see more from him. I know Nzonzi is guilty at times of slowing down play but I don't think he's overated. I thought Rory was ok, nothing special, just a real solid pro, a bit like Whelan.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 19, 2015 13:11:50 GMT
I thought some would be happy with that miss.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Apr 19, 2015 13:12:20 GMT
For me, the player of the season by an absolute mile.
Only when/if we lose him will folk see what a cracking player he was. Unbelievable that he gets any stick for me - carried our midfield most of the season.
To think he gets stick from some in the crowd for the crime of keeping the ball. Our best player yesterday, for me. Again.
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Apr 19, 2015 13:15:06 GMT
Post by sportsman on Apr 19, 2015 13:15:06 GMT
So if any of the top 6 want to buy a ready made midfielder this summer, how much? Are you telling me 6m? If you are you are talking bollocks. Ask United how much a centre midfielder is going cost them this summer. Ask man city how much. If they're free they are out of contract. So you're saying nzonzi is out of contract? Makes me laugh when his 'supporters' come out with saying they're glad he can't pass quickly through midfield, can't shoot, and can't score else he wouldn't be at stoke. Can't we hope to find one of them for a bargain as we aren't a top six side and they are out there. The top clubs won't bother with them until they are storming the league at somewhere else, for 30m! Again, you do know that there are midfielders at top six clubs who didn't cost £30m, right? What price are you expecting a top six side to fax a bid in for him in the next few weeks?
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 19, 2015 13:16:19 GMT
Can we create a sub-board where Sportsman can continue to bash N'Zonzi every week?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 19, 2015 13:19:35 GMT
Again, you do know that there are midfielders at top six clubs who didn't cost £30m, right? What price are you expecting a top six side to fax a bid in for him in the next few weeks? That wasn't what you said was it? You claimed people were saying he was worth £30m. Nobody has. You were saying the fact people think he could play at a higher level meant they thought he was worth £30m. Not every midfielder at a top six club costs that sort of fee. You seem to be suggesting that because he isn't Yaya Toure or. Matic that he must be shit. Any fee for him this summer is going to be affected by his contract situation. Personally I don't give a shit if he's top-six quality or not, he's absolutely pivotal to us and one of our best players regardless.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 19, 2015 13:24:33 GMT
Can we create a sub-board where Sportsman can continue to bash N'Zonzi every week? Funny that, others started this thread, others slated him on it first, and I've just added mine. Funny that I was first on here to say he was great against Chelsea the other week. Funny how I was a Lone voice months ago. Now there's a load of fans seeing what I saw ages ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 13:25:19 GMT
He just doesn't affect the game in either box enough for me. I think it will stop him truly progressing unless he sorts it out.
Sure, he keeps the ball well and he is good in tight spaces. Has good upper body strength and can hold players off for fun. He has a little trick and is quick enough over 5 yards to get away from players.
All that said, he doesn't defend enough, cannot tackle for toffee. He doesn't have enough efforts on goal and doesn't create many chances.
In essence, he is a box to box link man that is masking both a deficiency in the team and his own game.
I find him such a strange and frustrating player in equal measure.
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Apr 19, 2015 13:30:29 GMT
Post by sportsman on Apr 19, 2015 13:30:29 GMT
What price are you expecting a top six side to fax a bid in for him in the next few weeks? That wasn't what you said was it? You claimed people were saying he was worth £30m. Nobody has. You were saying the fact people think he could play at a higher level meant they thought he was worth £30m. Not every midfielder at a top six club costs that sort of fee. You seem to be suggesting that because he isn't Yaya Toure or. Matic that he must be shit. Any fee for him this summer is going to be affected by his contract situation. Personally I don't give a shit if he's top-six quality or not, he's absolutely pivotal to us and one of our best players regardless. First, it was said on here a few weeks ago about 30m. It has been said for months he would walk into United's, spurs, Liverpool's, midfield. By them comments do you think it would come to a 8m bid to get him? Not by them comments it wouldn't. If Hughes could get him playing how he is capable of I'd jump at keeping him. Chances are he won't so am I wrong to Want a midfielder that can pass forward quickly, shoot and chip in with goals?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 19, 2015 13:56:01 GMT
That wasn't what you said was it? You claimed people were saying he was worth £30m. Nobody has. You were saying the fact people think he could play at a higher level meant they thought he was worth £30m. Not every midfielder at a top six club costs that sort of fee. You seem to be suggesting that because he isn't Yaya Toure or. Matic that he must be shit. Any fee for him this summer is going to be affected by his contract situation. Personally I don't give a shit if he's top-six quality or not, he's absolutely pivotal to us and one of our best players regardless. First, it was said on here a few weeks ago about 30m. It has been said for months he would walk into United's, spurs, Liverpool's, midfield. By them comments do you think it would come to a 8m bid to get him? Not by them comments it wouldn't. If Hughes could get him playing how he is capable of I'd jump at keeping him. Chances are he won't so am I wrong to Want a midfielder that can pass forward quickly, shoot and chip in with goals? You said 'according to people on here', plural, he was worth £30m but haven't presented one example of that. Why is a club going to pay more than they have to when the contract situation can mean they can get him cheaper? Again, I can't recall reading anywhere that he'd walk into Man Utd's team but I don't think it's a stretch to say he could see a fair bit of playing time for Liverpool or Spurs if he went there. Unless you'd rather have Ryan Mason, Joe Allen, Etienne Capoue here instead?
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Apr 19, 2015 14:25:26 GMT
Post by thehoof on Apr 19, 2015 14:25:26 GMT
Given a choice of a midfield which features one of N'zonzi or Glenn, I know which I prefer.It's amazing how we can criticize N'zonzi for not getting the ball forward more quickly, but can forgive a man who comes back to pick the ball up off one Centre Back, only to pass it backwards or sideways to the other Centre Back. We then moan about the one midfielder who does pass it forward regularly, because half of his passes go to the opposition, yet we regard as an intelligent footballer a person who rarely influences a match unless we are already in the lead. Opinions eh?
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Apr 19, 2015 14:32:08 GMT
Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 19, 2015 14:32:08 GMT
Given a choice of a midfield which features one of N'zonzi or Glenn, I know which I prefer.It's amazing how we can criticize N'zonzi for not getting the ball forward more quickly, but can forgive a man who comes back to pick the ball up off one Centre Back, only to pass it backwards or sideways to the other Centre Back. We then moan about the one midfielder who does pass it forward regularly, because half of his passes go to the opposition, yet we regard as an intelligent footballer a person who rarely influences a match unless we are already in the lead. Opinions eh? He's a defensive midfielder mate. It's not his job to be Glenn Hoddle. Could we get a younger, more mobile player in that role? Absolutely. But don't expect them to be pinging defence splitting passes to the front three because that's not what the holding midfielder is there to do. He's there to keep it simple, protect the back four, and in the words of Brian Clough "get it and give it to someone who can play".
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Apr 19, 2015 14:44:43 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Apr 19, 2015 14:44:43 GMT
Can we create a sub-board where Sportsman can continue to bash N'Zonzi every week? Funny that, others started this thread, others slated him on it first, and I've just added mine. Funny that I was first on here to say he was great against Chelsea the other week. Funny how I was a Lone voice months ago. Now there's a load of fans seeing what I saw ages ago. That's the oatcake for you. He could turn in a world class performance next week and you could give him the credit he deserves, but once you've been typecast as someone who doesn't rate a popular player then that's your head on a spike. Just be thankful you don't have the Arnie fan club on your back. I've shared your reservations on N'Zonzi but not quite to your extreme, he is a good player but not irreplaceable like the masses on here try to claim.
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Apr 19, 2015 14:49:12 GMT
Post by sportsman on Apr 19, 2015 14:49:12 GMT
First, it was said on here a few weeks ago about 30m. It has been said for months he would walk into United's, spurs, Liverpool's, midfield. By them comments do you think it would come to a 8m bid to get him? Not by them comments it wouldn't. If Hughes could get him playing how he is capable of I'd jump at keeping him. Chances are he won't so am I wrong to Want a midfielder that can pass forward quickly, shoot and chip in with goals? You said 'according to people on here', plural, he was worth £30m but haven't presented one example of that. Why is a club going to pay more than they have to when the contract situation can mean they can get him cheaper? Again, I can't recall reading anywhere that he'd walk into Man Utd's team but I don't think it's a stretch to say he could see a fair bit of playing time for Liverpool or Spurs if he went there. Unless you'd rather have Ryan Mason, Joe Allen, Etienne Capoue here instead? Don't expect bids over 8m for Stirling in the summer then.
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Apr 19, 2015 14:50:21 GMT
Post by thehoof on Apr 19, 2015 14:50:21 GMT
And you have hit the nail on the head Chief.Keeping it simple means relieving the pressure on your defense. A lot of Glen's passing backwards actually puts the defense under pressure. Whil I don't expect him to be Glenn Hoddle, given that many posters on here claim to pooh their pants when Wollscheid gets the ball and think Shawcross is not too clever on the ball, why does Glenn not get his head up and move the ball forward under his own control- look at what Gareth Barry used to do? Like Glenn he was not blessed with pace and had a better touch, but he relieved pressure on the defense by moving it forward even if only 5 or 10 yards. I just don't think there is any comparison as to who Stoke will miss most out of N'zonzi and Whelan.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 19, 2015 15:32:54 GMT
You said 'according to people on here', plural, he was worth £30m but haven't presented one example of that. Why is a club going to pay more than they have to when the contract situation can mean they can get him cheaper? Again, I can't recall reading anywhere that he'd walk into Man Utd's team but I don't think it's a stretch to say he could see a fair bit of playing time for Liverpool or Spurs if he went there. Unless you'd rather have Ryan Mason, Joe Allen, Etienne Capoue here instead? Don't expect bids over 8m for Stirling in the summer then. Sterling is one of the hottest properties in Europe. Again there's no middle ground for you. If he's not one of the best players in Europe then he can't be any good.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 19, 2015 15:34:30 GMT
And you have hit the nail on the head Chief.Keeping it simple means relieving the pressure on your defense. A lot of Glen's passing backwards actually puts the defense under pressure. Whil I don't expect him to be Glenn Hoddle, given that many posters on here claim to pooh their pants when Wollscheid gets the ball and think Shawcross is not too clever on the ball, why does Glenn not get his head up and move the ball forward under his own control- look at what Gareth Barry used to do? Like Glenn he was not blessed with pace and had a better touch, but he relieved pressure on the defense by moving it forward even if only 5 or 10 yards. I just don't think there is any comparison as to who Stoke will miss most out of N'zonzi and Whelan. Sorry but I just don't think that's true. I don't think he does put his back four under pressure. There's a reason he's made that position his own out of all the options Hughes has tried there.
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Apr 19, 2015 16:03:12 GMT
Post by sportsman on Apr 19, 2015 16:03:12 GMT
Don't expect bids over 8m for Stirling in the summer then. Sterling is one of the hottest properties in Europe. Again there's no middle ground for you. If he's not one of the best players in Europe then he can't be any good. I thought nzonzi was one of the best players in Europe? You can't have it both ways. You say nzonzi's price would reflect his contract yet say that doesn't apply to Stirling. Nzonzi is either very sort after by the top six or he's not. If he is, then his price will still be huge.
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Apr 19, 2015 16:10:08 GMT
Post by thehoof on Apr 19, 2015 16:10:08 GMT
And you have hit the nail on the head Chief.Keeping it simple means relieving the pressure on your defense. A lot of Glen's passing backwards actually puts the defense under pressure. Whil I don't expect him to be Glenn Hoddle, given that many posters on here claim to pooh their pants when Wollscheid gets the ball and think Shawcross is not too clever on the ball, why does Glenn not get his head up and move the ball forward under his own control- look at what Gareth Barry used to do? Like Glenn he was not blessed with pace and had a better touch, but he relieved pressure on the defense by moving it forward even if only 5 or 10 yards. I just don't think there is any comparison as to who Stoke will miss most out of N'zonzi and Whelan. Sorry but I just don't think that's true. I don't think he does put his back four under pressure. There's a reason he's made that position his own out of all the options Hughes has tried there. I can't disagree with your statement about Glenn being Hughes' first choice for that position, and I would have him there before Sidewell, however if we are serious about moving on, then I think we have to look for an improvement in that position.Whelan is disciplined but he does not have a particularly good touch (he scares me more than Wollscheid), he does get caught in possession and that is because he is quite slow. It doesn't detract from the fact that he has been worth every penny of the £0.5m that we paid for him. I honestly think we need to upgrade on GW for the new seaso, and let him be a squad player who we know will not let us down.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 19, 2015 16:59:17 GMT
Sorry but I just don't think that's true. I don't think he does put his back four under pressure. There's a reason he's made that position his own out of all the options Hughes has tried there. I can't disagree with your statement about Glenn being Hughes' first choice for that position, and I would have him there before Sidewell, however if we are serious about moving on, then I think we have to look for an improvement in that position.Whelan is disciplined but he does not have a particularly good touch (he scares me more than Wollscheid), he does get caught in possession and that is because he is quite slow. It doesn't detract from the fact that he has been worth every penny of the £0.5m that we paid for him. I honestly think we need to upgrade on GW for the new seaso, and let him be a squad player who we know will not let us down. Can't disagree with any of that.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 19, 2015 17:00:57 GMT
Sterling is one of the hottest properties in Europe. Again there's no middle ground for you. If he's not one of the best players in Europe then he can't be any good. I thought nzonzi was one of the best players in Europe? You can't have it both ways. You say nzonzi's price would reflect his contract yet say that doesn't apply to Stirling. Nzonzi is either very sort after by the top six or he's not. If he is, then his price will still be huge. No, he's one of our best players and capable of playing at a higher level. That's not the same as being a high profile star and one of the main men at one of the biggest clubs in the country. You're trying to make the two situations the same thing when a five year old can see that they're not.
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Apr 20, 2015 10:46:06 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 20, 2015 10:46:06 GMT
Apr 13 Stan Collymore ?@stancollymore Defensive MF candidates
Coquelin Matic Delph Whelan Mason Bentaleb Wanyama Schneiderlin Song Cambiasso N’Zonzi
#MNFN ON AIR
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Apr 20, 2015 11:00:58 GMT
Post by ohbottom on Apr 20, 2015 11:00:58 GMT
Sterling is one of the hottest properties in Europe. Again there's no middle ground for you. If he's not one of the best players in Europe then he can't be any good. I thought nzonzi was one of the best players in Europe? You can't have it both ways. You say nzonzi's price would reflect his contract yet say that doesn't apply to Stirling. Nzonzi is either very sort after by the top six or he's not. If he is, then his price will still be huge. Who said this?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 11:52:49 GMT
Apr 13 Stan Collymore ?@stancollymore Defensive MF candidates Coquelin Matic Delph Whelan Mason Bentaleb Wanyama Schneiderlin Song Cambiasso N’Zonzi #MNFN ON AIR Neither Nzonzi or Cambiasso play as a DM though. #knownothingyamyam
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Apr 20, 2015 13:16:32 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 20, 2015 13:16:32 GMT
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