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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 31, 2015 20:36:23 GMT
2 very mediocre teams, just feel sorry for those that went. Deserve better.
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Post by unknown182 on Mar 31, 2015 20:36:24 GMT
Nice to hear the fans sing without that shite band droning on in the background.
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Post by 2004 on Mar 31, 2015 20:37:34 GMT
Better 2nd half. Kane + Rooney looks promising. Defence is a joke though.
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 31, 2015 20:37:54 GMT
2 very mediocre teams, just feel sorry for those that went. Deserve better. Especilly at the back FFS that was very dire, Carrick and Jagielka where the only ones worth mentioning throughout.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 20:38:02 GMT
Not defending surely, there is not one defender who can leave that pitch thinking they had a good game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 20:38:04 GMT
2 very mediocre teams, just feel sorry for those that went. Deserve better. Sounded like they thoroughly enjoyed their evening to be honest,I don't think they would want you to feel sorry for them.
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 31, 2015 20:38:14 GMT
Better 2nd half. Kane + Rooney looks promising. Defence is a joke though. Good summarization.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 31, 2015 20:39:32 GMT
I think we've only beaten Italy 3 times in Italy in 80 years, NO Italian team is ever easy to beat especially at home.
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 31, 2015 20:40:11 GMT
Carrick was a better defender versus Italy B than Jones, Smalling, Jagielka, Walker, Gibbs and Clyne. Fucking sad that.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 31, 2015 20:42:04 GMT
I think we've only beaten Italy 3 times in Italy in 80 years, NO Italian team is ever easy to beat especially at home. He's here the lad is. You can always rely on super Geoff to get the case for the defence over. They should get you in that back 4 geoff123.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Mar 31, 2015 20:42:18 GMT
Not defending surely, there is not one defender who can leave that pitch thinking they had a good game. That was Clive's comment mate
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 31, 2015 20:43:36 GMT
Not defending surely, there is not one defender who can leave that pitch thinking they had a good game. That was Clive's comment mate It's bang on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 20:43:47 GMT
I have no idea why he didn't play Butland tonight. By his own admission it was an experiment. What was he going to learn by playing Hart, already his established number 1 keeper and a player he's already seen hundreds of times?
He's prepared to chuck Phil Jones in midfield, Theo up top with Kane, swap up the formation and even chuck Ryan Mason in after a few decent games at club level, but he makes Jack sit on the bench and watch for the full 90?
Why drag him out of the U21s for that? Bewildering logic.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Mar 31, 2015 20:44:45 GMT
It could always be worse though.
You could be 2-0 down at home at half time to Cape Verde like Portugal are right now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 20:45:13 GMT
The defence was a shambles. All of Italy's chances came to them easily, usually from giving the ball away in stupid areas, and mainly from a lack of pace at the back. Jagielka is a massive liability to his club let alone England. If you doubt that look at Everton's game in kiev recently. His legs have completely gone and when he is caught one on one he is hanging on for dear life.
We need to find a tough centre back from somewhere with leadership qualities who can deal with simple crosses and organise a defence. Can anyone think of somebody?
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 31, 2015 20:45:28 GMT
I suppose delilah he didn't want to hang Butland out to dry against the Italians, fair comment?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 31, 2015 20:45:35 GMT
I made my observation based on the utter dross we were served up prior to the goal. We made other changes before that and nothing changed. Tactically or not it seemed more luck than judgement, and we still look like conceding. We've deserved a draw - it's pretty even on the amount of chances both teams have had. Were England unlucky to concede, or was that Hodgson's fault? Is it only luck when England score? All valid points. Their goal wasn't unlucky for us, it was poor defending and Hodgson picked that defence. The equaliser wasn't lucky it was a good goal, but before that it was pants. At least we showed some forward momentum in the second half even if we were wasteful and looked weak at the back.
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 31, 2015 20:46:26 GMT
I have no idea why he didn't play Butland tonight. By his own admission it was an experiment. What was he going to learn by playing Hart, already his established number 1 keeper and a player he's already seen hundreds of times? He's prepared to chuck Phil Jones in midfield, Theo up top with Kane, swap up the formation and even chuck Ryan Mason in after a few decent games at club level, but he makes Jack sit on the bench and watch for the full 90? Why drag him out of the U21s for that? Bewildering logic. Both Butland and Southgate must be quietly fuming.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 31, 2015 20:46:27 GMT
I have no idea why he didn't play Butland tonight. By his own admission it was an experiment. What was he going to learn by playing Hart, already his established number 1 keeper and a player he's seen hundreds of times. He's prepared to chuck Phil Jones in midfield, Theo up top with Kane, swap up the formation and even chuck Ryan Mason in after a few decent games at club level, but he makes Jack sit on the bench and watch for the full 90? Why drag him out of the U21s for that? Bewildering logic. I am bewildered by most things the silly old twat does.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 20:47:06 GMT
I suppose delilah he didn't want to hang Butland out to dry against the Italians, fair comment? If he's woefully short, as you suggest, then he should have left him in the U21s.
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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 31, 2015 20:47:14 GMT
I have no idea why he didn't play Butland tonight. By his own admission it was an experiment. What was he going to learn by playing Hart, already his established number 1 keeper and a player he's seen hundreds of times. He's prepared to chuck Phil Jones in midfield, Theo up top with Kane, swap up the formation and even chuck Ryan Mason in after a few decent games at club level, but he makes Jack sit on the bench and watch for the full 90? Why drag him out of the U21s for that? Bewildering logic. Don't worry Geoff will explain all in one momento just give him time to unstick his woy and pulis posters! Oh and by the way Geoff this was an Italy side that had made 10 yes 10 changes with only one big name player which was Buffoon, but I am sure you will blind us with facts and figures and defend your honour and never admit your wrong like you always do! All the best Geoff young man!
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Mar 31, 2015 20:48:30 GMT
That was Clive's comment mate It's bang on. Whats bang on is Jagielka is not good enough to play in England's defence imo.
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Post by unknown182 on Mar 31, 2015 20:48:35 GMT
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Post by bignickhowes on Mar 31, 2015 20:48:58 GMT
carrick was excellent
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 31, 2015 20:51:12 GMT
Why would you want to put Butland in goal tonight when he has basically played 3 PL games for Stoke? Hodgson has him in the squad because of injuries but it gives Butland valuable experience to be there with the full England squad.
What would fans say if he had been selected and had a bad game and conceded poor goals?
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 31, 2015 20:53:01 GMT
The defence was a shambles. All of Italy's chances came to them easily, usually from giving the ball away in stupid areas, and mainly from a lack of pace at the back. Jagielka is a massive liability to his club let alone England. If you doubt that look at Everton's game in kiev recently. His legs have completely gone and when he is caught one on one he is hanging on for dear life. We need to find a tough centre back from somewhere with leadership qualities who can deal with simple crosses and organise a defence. Can anyone think of somebody? He's slow... god damn slow at this level.
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 31, 2015 20:53:56 GMT
Whats bang on is Jagielka is not good enough to play in England's defence imo. Mine opinion too, he's to slow and not positionally physical because of his loss of pace. He's not the worst though, I'd drop Smalling before Jagielka.
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Post by lordb on Mar 31, 2015 20:54:13 GMT
I thought there was a bunch of positives and a number of negatives too. Barkley was excellent. Carrick played well. Kane wasn't bad. plenty of chanced....both ends. Jones should never play midfield again. Full backs struggled although Walker contributed going forward as the game wore on. Jones and Jageilka...I thought they defended really well at times and terribly other times. Mixed bag,fair result.
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 31, 2015 20:54:40 GMT
Second half man at the back award goes to him.
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 31, 2015 20:54:44 GMT
Why would you want to put Butland in goal tonight when he has basically played 3 PL games for Stoke? Hodgson has him in the squad because of injuries but it gives Butland valuable experience to be there with the full England squad. What would fans say if he had been selected and had a bad game and conceded poor goals? Geoff321, he NEEDS games, competitive ones, he has a major tournament coming up in June, it was an ideal chance to give him gametime. He was left out of the U21'S because Woy was short apparently. 3 keepers called up and only one used, ridiculous!!
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