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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 30, 2015 11:51:09 GMT
A front four of Bojan, Arnie, Moses and Hernandez. Hell yeah! He's never a lone striker in a million years Jamo. I'd like to see it though, mate. It's not like we play a hold up game anymore (we normally use Jon out wide as our our ball) and I think it would be interesting to see the link up play. I've always been a believer that good players perform better with other good players.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 11:54:28 GMT
He's never a lone striker in a million years Jamo. I'd like to see it though, mate. It's not like we play a hold up game anymore (we normally use Jon out wide as our our ball) and I think it would be interesting to see the link up play. I've always been a believer that good players perform better with other good players. If a player doesn't suit a system Jamo it doesn't matter how good he is, there are countless examples of that. We do try and play a hold-up game still, it's just we only have one striker capable of doing it well and he's 34 and leaden-footed, for all his other qualities. Your lone striker has to be able to hold it up or run with it at least reasonably well and be decent at winning the ball in the air.
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Post by lordb on Mar 30, 2015 11:55:45 GMT
A front four of Bojan, Arnie, Moses and Hernandez. Hell yeah! He's never a lone striker in a million years Jamo. well with those guys (& maybe someone else,Sydney Sam been linked for e.g.) there would be (or shouldn't be) any 'lone' about the role
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Post by lordb on Mar 30, 2015 11:57:13 GMT
He's never a lone striker in a million years Jamo. I'd like to see it though, mate. It's not like we play a hold up game anymore (we normally use Jon out wide as our our ball) and I think it would be interesting to see the link up play. I've always been a believer that good players perform better with other good players. Nzonzi is a good example of that In fact our whole midfield/attack has benefited playing with Bojan
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 11:57:29 GMT
He's never a lone striker in a million years Jamo. well with those guys (& maybe someone else,Sydney Sam been linked for e.g.) there would be (or shouldn't be) any 'lone' about the role There would though surely? You're still playing with one central striker up front? The others are playing as inside forwards but they're still doing a very different job out wide and the main striker still has a lot of Trojan work to do on his own?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 30, 2015 11:58:19 GMT
I'd like to see it though, mate. It's not like we play a hold up game anymore (we normally use Jon out wide as our our ball) and I think it would be interesting to see the link up play. I've always been a believer that good players perform better with other good players. If a player doesn't suit a system Jamo it doesn't matter how good he is, there are countless examples of that. We do try and play a hold-up game still, it's just we only have one striker capable of doing it well and he's 34 and leaden-footed, for all his other qualities. Your lone striker has to be able to hold it up or run with it at least reasonably well and be decent at winning the ball in the air. It's hard to know what the player for that role is though as so far nobody has successfully fulfilled the role. Most of our attacks start from N'Zonzi finding a wide player or Bojan when fit. I still think it could work but I understand what you're saying, Rob.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 12:00:53 GMT
If a player doesn't suit a system Jamo it doesn't matter how good he is, there are countless examples of that. We do try and play a hold-up game still, it's just we only have one striker capable of doing it well and he's 34 and leaden-footed, for all his other qualities. Your lone striker has to be able to hold it up or run with it at least reasonably well and be decent at winning the ball in the air. It's hard to know what the player for that role is though as so far nobody has successfully fulfilled the role. Most of our attacks start from N'Zonzi finding a wide player or Bojan when fit. I still think it could work but I understand what you're saying, Rob. Bojan does a lot of the link work which makes it less important but you still need that aerial ability Jamo. Nobody we've got has fulfilled the role successfully which is why we need to find someone who can. They're out there.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 30, 2015 12:14:51 GMT
It's hard to know what the player for that role is though as so far nobody has successfully fulfilled the role. Most of our attacks start from N'Zonzi finding a wide player or Bojan when fit. I still think it could work but I understand what you're saying, Rob. Bojan does a lot of the link work which makes it less important but you still need that aerial ability Jamo. Nobody we've got has fulfilled the role successfully which is why we need to find someone who can. They're out there. Ironically Hernandez is excellent in the air for his stature.
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Post by miggo on Mar 30, 2015 12:19:50 GMT
File this with shaqiri and Dzeko as No Chance.
Come on folks be realistic he may step down from the likes of Madrid and United but they'll be a dozen or so clubs all playing in Europe that will be lining him up as a target.
Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 12:30:16 GMT
Bojan does a lot of the link work which makes it less important but you still need that aerial ability Jamo. Nobody we've got has fulfilled the role successfully which is why we need to find someone who can. They're out there. Ironically Hernandez is excellent in the air for his stature. There's a big difference between being good heading on goal and consistently winning it in the air against hulking centre halves though mate.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Mar 30, 2015 12:32:11 GMT
As much as I like Hernandez, I struggle to see where he would fit once Bojan returns from injury?.
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Post by roosterscomb on Mar 30, 2015 12:33:56 GMT
It's hard to know what the player for that role is though as so far nobody has successfully fulfilled the role. Most of our attacks start from N'Zonzi finding a wide player or Bojan when fit. I still think it could work but I understand what you're saying, Rob. Bojan does a lot of the link work which makes it less important but you still need that aerial ability Jamo. Nobody we've got has fulfilled the role successfully which is why we need to find someone who can. They're out there. Most headers won on average per match in European big leagues this season. Attachment DeletedNumber 14 was described as Germany's attacking-midfield answer to Ryan Shawcross by Gabriele Marcotti in the Times this morning.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 12:38:02 GMT
Bojan does a lot of the link work which makes it less important but you still need that aerial ability Jamo. Nobody we've got has fulfilled the role successfully which is why we need to find someone who can. They're out there. Most headers won on average per match in European big leagues this season. View AttachmentNumber 14 was described as Germany's attacking-midfield answer to Ryan Shawcross by Gabriele Marcotti in the Times this morning. Interesting, cheers Pete. I've been impressed by Joselu and Ujah in what little I've seen of them.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 30, 2015 12:44:35 GMT
Ironically Hernandez is excellent in the air for his stature. There's a big difference between being good heading on goal and consistently winning it in the air against hulking centre halves though mate. I know, mate but I'd still have him here!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 30, 2015 12:49:12 GMT
I'd like to see it though, mate. It's not like we play a hold up game anymore (we normally use Jon out wide as our our ball) and I think it would be interesting to see the link up play. I've always been a believer that good players perform better with other good players. If a player doesn't suit a system Jamo it doesn't matter how good he is, there are countless examples of that. We do try and play a hold-up game still, it's just we only have one striker capable of doing it well and he's 34 and leaden-footed, for all his other qualities. Your lone striker has to be able to hold it up or run with it at least reasonably well and be decent at winning the ball in the air. Who is the missing piece we require? Anyone spring to mind, chief? And do you think 4-2-1-3 is set in stone for Hughesy?
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 30, 2015 12:52:32 GMT
Best combination I ever saw was Bobby Smith and Jimmy Greaves. Big strong centre forward who would hold up or knock down the ball for Jimmy to score.
Long winded way of saying yes please.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 12:54:37 GMT
If a player doesn't suit a system Jamo it doesn't matter how good he is, there are countless examples of that. We do try and play a hold-up game still, it's just we only have one striker capable of doing it well and he's 34 and leaden-footed, for all his other qualities. Your lone striker has to be able to hold it up or run with it at least reasonably well and be decent at winning the ball in the air. Who is the missing piece we require? Anyone spring to mind, chief? And do you think 4-2-1-3 is set in stone for Hughesy? I think he's flexible enough to look at different formations for different games Tricky, but the emergence of Bojan and our effectiveness on the counter suggests to me the current system is going to be the one he sticks with 95% of the time. I really like Assombalonga but he's out for ages and there are no guarantees he'll come back the same. Gestede is a battering ram who I could see doing well in the Prem, and Ujah at Köln looks quick and powerful. I'm in a minority that rates Shane Long as well.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 12:55:07 GMT
Best combination I ever saw was Bobby Smith and Jimmy Greaves. Big strong centre forward who would hold up or knock down the ball for Jimmy to score. Long winded way of saying yes please. That's not how we play though Joe.
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Post by lordb on Mar 30, 2015 12:57:03 GMT
Ujah does look good. Not in Hernandez class but if you want someone as more of a battering ram (with pace) then yeh. Personally I think a proper poacher,like Hernandez,would fit into our system perfectly for all but a handful of games for teh reasons Pejic outlined. Only one way to find out
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 30, 2015 12:59:41 GMT
Who is the missing piece we require? Anyone spring to mind, chief? And do you think 4-2-1-3 is set in stone for Hughesy? I think he's flexible enough to look at different formations for different games Tricky, but the emergence of Bojan and our effectiveness on the counter suggests to me the current system is going to be the one he sticks with 95% of the time. I really like Assombalonga but he's out for ages and there are no guarantees he'll come back the same. Gestede is a battering ram who I could see doing well in the Prem, and Ujah at Köln looks quick and powerful. I'm in a minority that rates Shane Long as well. I've always liked Long as a player, too. Gestede is a bit of a beast, isn't he?
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 30, 2015 13:01:16 GMT
Best combination I ever saw was Bobby Smith and Jimmy Greaves. Big strong centre forward who would hold up or knock down the ball for Jimmy to score. Long winded way of saying yes please. That's not how we play though Joe. Agreed but maybe we would score more if we did. Realistically using a lone striker can become predictable, best way or making Crouch is to let him have the ball and stand just off him. Don't think for one moment we will sign him but believe he would adapt.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 30, 2015 13:01:20 GMT
Best combination I ever saw was Bobby Smith and Jimmy Greaves. Big strong centre forward who would hold up or knock down the ball for Jimmy to score. Long winded way of saying yes please. That's not how we play though Joe. Maybe we'll change the way we play if we sign the players Hughes wants. Maybe we play the way we do because it best suits the players we have? Just a thought like, given we are talking about potential for next season.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 13:14:11 GMT
That's not how we play though Joe. Maybe we'll change the way we play if we sign the players Hughes wants. Maybe we play the way we do because it best suits the players we have? Just a thought like, given we are talking about potential for next season. I think we'd have seen more evidence of a change before now were that the case Dave. We've kept the same system for two seasons now and the players recruited (with the possible exception of Diouf) seem to have been signed very much with that system in mind.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 13:15:30 GMT
That's not how we play though Joe. Agreed but maybe we would score more if we did. Realistically using a lone striker can become predictable, best way or making Crouch is to let him have the ball and stand just off him. Don't think for one moment we will sign him but believe he would adapt. Play two up front though and you have a problem with what to do with Bojan. He looks far less effective wide and doesn't offer his full back protection and it's hard to see him playing as one of a deeper midfield two.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 30, 2015 13:16:14 GMT
I would really like to see Diouf given a season as our spearhead striker with Bojan behind him! I know a lot of people aren't too impressed by Diouf, but having scored 8 league goals with eight games to go is not that bad really! And it's even better if you know he has been misused as a winger for many games and also taken part in ACON! I also think he should have been credited our first goal against Spurs as I don't think it would have gone in without deflecting off Diouf. Loris was certainly put off by it! If Odemwingie can show the same kind of form as last season I think making Moses permanent must be the main issue! Anyway happy days being a Stokie, still after two defeats!
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 30, 2015 13:17:11 GMT
Bring in wing backs would be the only solution
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Post by lordb on Mar 30, 2015 13:21:16 GMT
I would really like to see Diouf given a season as our spearhead striker with Bojan behind him! I know a lot of people aren't too impressed by Diouf, but having scored 8 league goals with eight games to go is not that bad really! And it's even better if you know he has been misused as a winger for many games and also taken part in ACON! I also think he should have been credited our first goal against Spurs as I don't think it would have gone in without deflecting off Diouf. Loris was certainly put off by it! If Odemwingie can show the same kind of form as last season I think making Moses permanent must be the main issue! Anyway happy days being a Stokie, still after two defeats! His cup goal was against Southampton too.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Mar 30, 2015 13:25:32 GMT
File this with shaqiri and Dzeko as No Chance. Come on folks be realistic he may step down from the likes of Madrid and United but they'll be a dozen or so clubs all playing in Europe that will be lining him up as a target. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Apparently this recording was picked up in a shady tabloid operation in the Hernandez household a couple of days ago: Senora H: Hello love. Nice day at work? Javier: Evening, sweetheart. Brilliant. I have some news. SH: (Clapping hands and jumping up and down on the spot) Oooohhh, tell me, tell me! Have you bought me a present? A new car? Dress? Eternity ring? Perfume? J: I've got a new job. SH: (slightly disappointed, but putting on a brave face) That's great, Javi. Is it sitting next to that nice Alan Shearer on Saturday nights, wearing identikit shiny shirts, and making anodyne and blindingly obvious comments about your former colleagues? J: Noo-oo. Much better. I've got a contract with a new club! SH: Well I know it's probably not Barcelona, sweetie. Once upon a time - but not now. But perhaps Atletico? Or Sevilla? Udinese, perhaps? You love it when I have a nice suntan! J: Bit closer to home, love. SH: OK. Must be somewhere like Montpelier? Or Bordeaux is lovely. And I know Cologne is nice - Some of the wives were saying their Great grandad was there in the 40s. Although in fairness that was in a Lancaster bomber. J: Er no love. You won't need your passport. ("Thinks: hmmmm, or will you...?") SH: Oh goody - it's Spurs! Really handy for the shopping! Even West Ham would be great! Anywhere in London, really! J: Not London, love. SH: (Now with bottom lop quivering). Oh. I suppose Newcastle or Aston Villa are massive clubs with forlorn aspirations of breaking the stranglehold of the big 4. Or is it the big 5 or 6 now? Even the championship might not be the end of the world - hasn't Leeds got a Harvey Nicks? J: (shuffling his feet and looking veeerrrrry sheepish). Er, no love. It's Stoke. It's a lovely place. Mark Hughes - yes, he used to play for Man Utd. And Barcelona! He's coming over for dinner with his wife on Friday. [Door slams, followed by wind whistling through house. Lights go down on Javier, as he is engulfed in tumbleweed].
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 30, 2015 13:25:48 GMT
Agreed but maybe we would score more if we did. Realistically using a lone striker can become predictable, best way or making Crouch is to let him have the ball and stand just off him. Don't think for one moment we will sign him but believe he would adapt. Play two up front though and you have a problem with what to do with Bojan. He looks far less effective wide and doesn't offer his full back protection and it's hard to see him playing as one of a deeper midfield two. Again I agree and would build our team around Bojan without a doubt.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 30, 2015 13:31:27 GMT
Bring in wing backs would be the only solution We have one in the making already.
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