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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2015 12:10:41 GMT
Some people watch far too much Jeremy Kyle. He posts on here under the username Mickmillsloveschild
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 6, 2015 12:39:18 GMT
He was beaming from ear to ear no issues with him, byw how many goals has he scored in all comps 9 ? 8.
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Mar 6, 2015 12:42:00 GMT
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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2015 12:46:26 GMT
To be fair, most fans on here know fuck all about signings. Most of the names that get thrown around on here as potential world beaters end up going elsewhere and being shit.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 6, 2015 13:08:06 GMT
I've written him off as far as being the player we thought we were getting, absolutely. Nice little side step there...... If you read the thread where I said there were things I liked about him but he wasn't anywhere near as good as I thought he was, then it it isn't. If you're interested in picking the juicy line of it to try and point score though, by all means carry on though.
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 6, 2015 13:36:48 GMT
7 in 20 is a very good return imo, especially when you consider its been disrupted by ACON, moving and adapting to a new country and team, any personal problems he may or may not be having, played out of position.
As I said, he isn't quite what I wanted/expected, but he's doing better then a lot of people on here seem to think.
I like him, and think he'll improve.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 13:37:32 GMT
Nice little side step there...... If you read the thread where I said there were things I liked about him but he wasn't anywhere near as good as I thought he was, then it it isn't. If you're interested in picking the juicy line of it to try and point score though, by all means carry on though. Not interested in anything in particular. Just strange that a normally level headed poster would choose to write off a player in the infancy of his Stoke career as you clearly did, despite him being our joint top scorer with Crouchie and Walters in the league and there being several mitigating circumstances. But this has been done to death so I'll say no more.....
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 6, 2015 13:40:09 GMT
If you read the thread where I said there were things I liked about him but he wasn't anywhere near as good as I thought he was, then it it isn't. If you're interested in picking the juicy line of it to try and point score though, by all means carry on though. Not interested in anything in particular. Just strange that a normally level headed poster would choose to write off a player in the infancy of his Stoke career as you clearly did, despite him being our joint top scorer with Crouchie and Walters in the league and there being several mitigating circumstances. But this has been done to death so I'll say no more..... I think there's more than enough pros and cons to make it a debate worth having, despite the usual suspects trying to stop that. Do you see him becoming the main man we thought we were signing? Our equivalent of a Bony/Benteke/Lukaku?
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 6, 2015 13:53:16 GMT
Not interested in anything in particular. Just strange that a normally level headed poster would choose to write off a player in the infancy of his Stoke career as you clearly did, despite him being our joint top scorer with Crouchie and Walters in the league and there being several mitigating circumstances. But this has been done to death so I'll say no more..... I think there's more than enough pros and cons to make it a debate worth having, despite the usual suspects trying to stop that. Do you see him becoming the main man we thought we were signing? Our equivalent of a Bony/Benteke/Lukaku? What's the point in debating? You've written him off on what YOU thought he'd be haven't you? And the opening dig on this thread confirms that.. If you thought he'd be our equivalent to the players you mentioned above (who each have cost many millions) that may say more about your expectations than it does about dioufs ability. I'm sick of arguing about it though. He's a decent option for us and offers us something different (as do our other strikers) and he is performing on par with them.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 6, 2015 13:57:19 GMT
I don't think anybody will pretend that Diouf is exactly what we thought we were getting. I think part of the issue is one of how we deploy him - he's clearly a forward who plays off the last man and makes intelligent forward runs, so the midfield need to take the initiative a bit more and stop playing it to his feet while expecting him to hold it up. He's not a target man in the Crouch mould, or even in the Mama Sidibe battering ram mode. His touch isn't great and nor is his hold up work. What you get from him is a lot of pace and power, hard work and some very intelligent movement.
Most importantly, though, he has that golden touch that only comes to a few strikers. Like Beattie, he finds himself in good positions because he has an excellent sense of where to be. He's also got that lucky poacher's streak. Look at his goals against West Brazil. Look at the goal he scored on Wednesday, where he managed to fall over the ball and land in exactly the right spot to put the rebound away. It's silly, but that's how things drop for the most lethal strikers. That's how you score 1 in every 2 in Germany.
I think we have a very useful player who needs to be played as the main striker and who it is worth adjusting our style of play for. Keep him up front, allow him to makes runs off the last man instead of playing it to his feet on the halfway line and watch him score goals. The thought of him, Arnie, Bojan and Moses in the same forward line is mouthwatering.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 6, 2015 13:59:42 GMT
I think there's more than enough pros and cons to make it a debate worth having, despite the usual suspects trying to stop that. Do you see him becoming the main man we thought we were signing? Our equivalent of a Bony/Benteke/Lukaku? What's the point in debating? You've written him off on what YOU thought he'd be haven't you? And the opening dig on this thread confirms that.. If you thought he'd be our equivalent to the players you mentioned above (who each have cost many millions) that may say more about your expectations than it does about dioufs ability. I'm sick of arguing about it though. He's a decent option for us and offers us something different (as do our other strikers) and he is performing on par with them. Then don't argue about it then. Nobody's making you. I just get frustrated that anybody who dares suggest there might be flaws worth discussing gets screeched at. Given his reputation, his reported wages and the fact that we were prepared to spend big on him before landing him on a free, he was signed to be rather more than 'a decent option' (which he undeniably is). That's the issue, especially if we have limited funds.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 6, 2015 14:01:01 GMT
I don't think anybody will pretend that Diouf is exactly what we thought we were getting. I think part of the issue is one of how we deploy him - he's clearly a forward who plays off the last man and makes intelligent forward runs, so the midfield need to take the initiative a bit more and stop playing it to his feet while expecting him to hold it up. He's not a target man in the Crouch mould, or even in the Mama Sidibe battering ram mode. His touch isn't great and nor is his hold up work. What you get from him is a lot of pace and power, hard work and some very intelligent movement. Most importantly, though, he has that golden touch that only comes to a few strikers. Like Beattie, he finds himself in good positions because he has an excellent sense of where to be. He's also got that lucky poacher's streak. Look at his goals against West Brazil. Look at the goal he scored on Wednesday, where he managed to fall over the ball and land in exactly the right spot to put the rebound away. It's silly, but that's how things drop for the most lethal strikers. That's how you score 1 in every 2 in Germany. I think we have a very useful player who needs to be played as the main striker and who it is worth adjusting our style of play for. Keep him up front, allow him to makes runs off the last man instead of playing it to his feet on the halfway line and watch him score goals. The thought of him, Arnie, Bojan and Moses in the same forward line is mouthwatering. Even when it's played in front of him though he frequently spanners it with his first touch. I love having a quick striker and he's a likeable chap with his work rate and poaching, but I still think we need better as first choice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 14:10:15 GMT
Not interested in anything in particular. Just strange that a normally level headed poster would choose to write off a player in the infancy of his Stoke career as you clearly did, despite him being our joint top scorer with Crouchie and Walters in the league and there being several mitigating circumstances. But this has been done to death so I'll say no more..... I think there's more than enough pros and cons to make it a debate worth having, despite the usual suspects trying to stop that. Do you see him becoming the main man we thought we were signing? Our equivalent of a Bony/Benteke/Lukaku? I never necessarily saw him as "the main man", I jus thought he was a good value for money signing based on the fact we didn't have to pay a fee for him. With regards him being a Benteke/Lukaku equivalent, based on this season pound for pound he's a far better signing. I like him, and more importantly I feel there's far more to come from him so on that basis I'm happy to give him more time, a run of games up front and another pre-season to get sharp/confident. The only point I was and continue to make was that your reaction was in my opinion very knee jerk: "As a staunch defender of him all along I'm close to writing him off. He's useful with his pace and work ethic but for a player with his record in Germany he just doesn't seem like a top level striker. His touch isn't there. His confidence isn't recovering. He doesn't anticipate knock downs or rebounds"He's scored 7 in 20 odd games (almost identical to Crouchie) and he's had a stop start season. I believe that will improve in line with his convidence yes I'm convinced of that....
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 6, 2015 14:10:32 GMT
What's the point in debating? You've written him off on what YOU thought he'd be haven't you? And the opening dig on this thread confirms that.. If you thought he'd be our equivalent to the players you mentioned above (who each have cost many millions) that may say more about your expectations than it does about dioufs ability. I'm sick of arguing about it though. He's a decent option for us and offers us something different (as do our other strikers) and he is performing on par with them. Then don't argue about it then. Nobody's making you. I just get frustrated that anybody who dares suggest there might be flaws worth discussing gets screeched at. Given his reputation, his reported wages and the fact that we were prepared to spend big on him before landing him on a free, he was signed to be rather more than 'a decent option' (which he undeniably is). That's the issue, especially if we have limited funds. There's suggesting flaws and there's damn right slagging off. It's your prerogative to slag him off and write him off as it's mine to criticise you for doing so. So your issue with him is that Mark was 'rumoured' to want to sign him for £7 million when we 'have limited funds'. Shouldn't your issue be with Hughes? But you and others have painted yourselves into that corner and what ever he does you'll have a clever excuse to justify your stance on him. Again I'm bored of it, I'll just get behind one of our players.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 14:11:56 GMT
What's the point in debating? You've written him off on what YOU thought he'd be haven't you? And the opening dig on this thread confirms that.. If you thought he'd be our equivalent to the players you mentioned above (who each have cost many millions) that may say more about your expectations than it does about dioufs ability. I'm sick of arguing about it though. He's a decent option for us and offers us something different (as do our other strikers) and he is performing on par with them. Then don't argue about it then. Nobody's making you. I just get frustrated that anybody who dares suggest there might be flaws worth discussing gets screeched at. Given his reputation, his reported wages and the fact that we were prepared to spend big on him before landing him on a free, he was signed to be rather more than 'a decent option' (which he undeniably is). That's the issue, especially if we have limited funds. Don't believe anyone is saying he has no flaws in his game, but then not many are writing him off either.....
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Post by mcf on Mar 6, 2015 14:12:38 GMT
What's the point in debating? You've written him off on what YOU thought he'd be haven't you? And the opening dig on this thread confirms that.. If you thought he'd be our equivalent to the players you mentioned above (who each have cost many millions) that may say more about your expectations than it does about dioufs ability. I'm sick of arguing about it though. He's a decent option for us and offers us something different (as do our other strikers) and he is performing on par with them. Then don't argue about it then. Nobody's making you. I just get frustrated that anybody who dares suggest there might be flaws worth discussing gets screeched at. Given his reputation, his reported wages and the fact that we were prepared to spend big on him before landing him on a free, he was signed to be rather more than 'a decent option' (which he undeniably is). That's the issue, especially if we have limited funds. If we have limited funds then that is the club's issue...not Dioufs. He's right up there in the scoring charts and the top and bottom of it is that we didn't pay £6M for him...no doubt we paid a signing on fee but he's as free as they come. I think he's worth a lot more to us that just a decent option. He's played his part in an excellent season.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 6, 2015 14:13:21 GMT
If you read the thread where I said there were things I liked about him but he wasn't anywhere near as good as I thought he was, then it it isn't. If you're interested in picking the juicy line of it to try and point score though, by all means carry on though. Not interested in anything in particular. Just strange that a normally level headed poster would choose to write off a player in the infancy of his Stoke career as you clearly did, despite him being our joint top scorer with Crouchie and Walters in the league and there being several mitigating circumstances. But this has been done to death so I'll say no more..... What I find even more interesting (or should I say baffling) is the notion that 7 goal Jon Walters is our player of the season for some posters, yet those same posters are happy to label 7 goal Diouf a flop who needs replacing.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 6, 2015 14:14:49 GMT
Not interested in anything in particular. Just strange that a normally level headed poster would choose to write off a player in the infancy of his Stoke career as you clearly did, despite him being our joint top scorer with Crouchie and Walters in the league and there being several mitigating circumstances. But this has been done to death so I'll say no more..... I think there's more than enough pros and cons to make it a debate worth having, despite the usual suspects trying to stop that. Do you see him becoming the main man we thought we were signing? Our equivalent of a Bony/Benteke/Lukaku? Isn't the point that this is what YOU were hoping he would be? There is no saying that Mark Hughes or the management team thought that. Perhaps they just thought that he would compliment what we already have at the club?
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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2015 14:17:35 GMT
I don't think anybody will pretend that Diouf is exactly what we thought we were getting. I think part of the issue is one of how we deploy him - he's clearly a forward who plays off the last man and makes intelligent forward runs, so the midfield need to take the initiative a bit more and stop playing it to his feet while expecting him to hold it up. He's not a target man in the Crouch mould, or even in the Mama Sidibe battering ram mode. His touch isn't great and nor is his hold up work. What you get from him is a lot of pace and power, hard work and some very intelligent movement. Most importantly, though, he has that golden touch that only comes to a few strikers. Like Beattie, he finds himself in good positions because he has an excellent sense of where to be. He's also got that lucky poacher's streak. Look at his goals against West Brazil. Look at the goal he scored on Wednesday, where he managed to fall over the ball and land in exactly the right spot to put the rebound away. It's silly, but that's how things drop for the most lethal strikers. That's how you score 1 in every 2 in Germany. I think we have a very useful player who needs to be played as the main striker and who it is worth adjusting our style of play for. Keep him up front, allow him to makes runs off the last man instead of playing it to his feet on the halfway line and watch him score goals. The thought of him, Arnie, Bojan and Moses in the same forward line is mouthwatering. Even when it's played in front of him though he frequently spanners it with his first touch. I love having a quick striker and he's a likeable chap with his work rate and poaching, but I still think we need better as first choice. I agree with you Rob. I'm not sure now is the right time to point out player flaws since we're all in a kind of feel good limbo at the moment and no one wants a kill-joy. However, up front is where we have need of an upgrade. In addition, I'd like to see a winger (in addition to keeping Moses), a CDM upgrade and if necessary a CAM (if Adam or Ireland were to leave). But that's for another thread.
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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2015 14:20:09 GMT
Not interested in anything in particular. Just strange that a normally level headed poster would choose to write off a player in the infancy of his Stoke career as you clearly did, despite him being our joint top scorer with Crouchie and Walters in the league and there being several mitigating circumstances. But this has been done to death so I'll say no more..... I think there's more than enough pros and cons to make it a debate worth having, despite the usual suspects trying to stop that. Do you see him becoming the main man we thought we were signing? Our equivalent of a Bony/Benteke/Lukaku? The only similarity he has with those 3 is that he's black. Completely different type of player so I'm surprised you used them as a comparison.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 6, 2015 14:20:33 GMT
Even when it's played in front of him though he frequently spanners it with his first touch. I love having a quick striker and he's a likeable chap with his work rate and poaching, but I still think we need better as first choice. I agree with you Rob. I'm not sure now is the right time to point out player flaws since we're all in a kind of feel good limbo at the moment and no one wants a kill-joy. However, up front is where we have need of an upgrade. In addition, I'd like to see a winger (in addition to keeping Moses), a CDM upgrade and if necessary a CAM (if Adam or Ireland were to leave). But that's for another thread. So basically you want to see upgrades throughout the team? I think that is what the club want, the manager wants and what the supporters want and we are steadily going about delivering those upgrades. Patience and a dose or realism tend to help ones opinion in such matters. The ship has turned around over the last 2 years and we are very much heading in the right direction. We don't need to increase the speed and hit any fucking icebergs.
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Post by mcf on Mar 6, 2015 14:22:40 GMT
In truth, we are probably 1 striker down in any case before anyone has to leave.
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Post by slpmarc on Mar 6, 2015 14:24:07 GMT
7 in 20 is not bad for a winger, as most of the time that's where he has been situated. As for him not celebrating, has he ever celebrated he is deeply religious and points to the heavens and thanks whoever he prays to. Are we just not reading more into a situation than is there.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 6, 2015 14:25:04 GMT
7 in 20 is not bad for a winger, as most of the time that's where he has been situated. As for him not celebrating, has he ever celebrated he is deeply religious and points to the heavens and thanks whoever he prays to. Are we just not reading more into a situation than is there. To be honest, I couldn't give a fuck whether he celebrates or not. 10 more goal celebrations of Wednesday's nature would be very welcome indeed.
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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2015 14:27:54 GMT
I agree with you Rob. I'm not sure now is the right time to point out player flaws since we're all in a kind of feel good limbo at the moment and no one wants a kill-joy. However, up front is where we have need of an upgrade. In addition, I'd like to see a winger (in addition to keeping Moses), a CDM upgrade and if necessary a CAM (if Adam or Ireland were to leave). But that's for another thread. So basically you want to see upgrades throughout the team? I think that is what the club want, the manager wants and what the supporters want and we are steadily going about delivering those upgrades. Patience and a dose or realism tend to help ones opinion in such matters. The ship has turned around over the last 2 years and we are very much heading in the right direction. We don't need to increase the speed and hit any fucking icebergs. So basically you're saying is steady progress, low risk and step by step improvement. Which is what everyone else thinks. Not sure what you mean with the realism remark since I haven't stated that we should have an overhaul. The winger and CDM would likely rotate and the CAM would be backup for Bojan. Defence stays the same.
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 6, 2015 14:28:48 GMT
No conspiracy.
He's just not Ric.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 6, 2015 14:32:30 GMT
So basically you want to see upgrades throughout the team? I think that is what the club want, the manager wants and what the supporters want and we are steadily going about delivering those upgrades. Patience and a dose or realism tend to help ones opinion in such matters. The ship has turned around over the last 2 years and we are very much heading in the right direction. We don't need to increase the speed and hit any fucking icebergs. So basically you're saying is steady progress, low risk and step by step improvement. Which is what everyone else thinks. Not sure what you mean with the realism remark since I haven't stated that we should have an overhaul. The winger and CDM would likely rotate and the CAM would be backup for Bojan. Defence stays the same. I wasn't accusing you of being unrealistic. If I was accusing you of anything it would be of "stating the bleeding obvious".
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 6, 2015 14:37:10 GMT
I don't think anybody will pretend that Diouf is exactly what we thought we were getting. I think part of the issue is one of how we deploy him - he's clearly a forward who plays off the last man and makes intelligent forward runs, so the midfield need to take the initiative a bit more and stop playing it to his feet while expecting him to hold it up. He's not a target man in the Crouch mould, or even in the Mama Sidibe battering ram mode. His touch isn't great and nor is his hold up work. What you get from him is a lot of pace and power, hard work and some very intelligent movement. Most importantly, though, he has that golden touch that only comes to a few strikers. Like Beattie, he finds himself in good positions because he has an excellent sense of where to be. He's also got that lucky poacher's streak. Look at his goals against West Brazil. Look at the goal he scored on Wednesday, where he managed to fall over the ball and land in exactly the right spot to put the rebound away. It's silly, but that's how things drop for the most lethal strikers. That's how you score 1 in every 2 in Germany. I think we have a very useful player who needs to be played as the main striker and who it is worth adjusting our style of play for. Keep him up front, allow him to makes runs off the last man instead of playing it to his feet on the halfway line and watch him score goals. The thought of him, Arnie, Bojan and Moses in the same forward line is mouthwatering. Even when it's played in front of him though he frequently spanners it with his first touch. I love having a quick striker and he's a likeable chap with his work rate and poaching, but I still think we need better as first choice. I think I agree. He's not the player that I thought he was. However, when he's up front he keeps finding himself among the goals and I'd like to see him get a proper run there from now until the end of the season. If he got, say, five goals in the remaining ten games, that would be very difficult to ignore.
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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2015 14:39:24 GMT
So basically you're saying is steady progress, low risk and step by step improvement. Which is what everyone else thinks. Not sure what you mean with the realism remark since I haven't stated that we should have an overhaul. The winger and CDM would likely rotate and the CAM would be backup for Bojan. Defence stays the same. I wasn't accusing you of being unrealistic. If I was accusing you of anything it would be of "stating the bleeding obvious". Well you could have just said so rather than writing 4 lines of shit that everyone else already knows. Adding the words 'fucking' and 'iceberg' doesn't make it anymore original
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 6, 2015 14:39:41 GMT
I think there's more than enough pros and cons to make it a debate worth having, despite the usual suspects trying to stop that. Do you see him becoming the main man we thought we were signing? Our equivalent of a Bony/Benteke/Lukaku? The only similarity he has with those 3 is that he's black. Completely different type of player so I'm surprised you used them as a comparison.
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