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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 5, 2015 10:53:50 GMT
Surely it's just because Arnie is a confidence player and he can't seem to buy himself any luck. He's hit the post a few times this season, he just can't score and then obviously Diouf took what really should have been Arnie's goal. I think Arnie likes to be appreciated that is all. I do hope that Diouf isn't unhappy though because I thought his change was a positive one and showed why we need him. Even though, on watching the goal again last night, it didn't even happen. Some players went to Diouf first then, they all went to Marko.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 5, 2015 10:57:22 GMT
The substitution of Diouf and Arnautovic brought the game, that we were losing grip of, back to us. Exactly Before the subs we were pegged back on our 18 yard line. The subs changed the game Give him some credit. He earned his goal Why are we always so keen to write off our players. The OP has got it wrong anyway. Not surprised he looks miserable with supporters like ours. As long as he's playing for us we should be getting behind him. Confidence is key for forwards. He works hard and is as committed as SJW so why all the flak?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 5, 2015 11:06:40 GMT
I didn't hear anyone giving him shit at the game, the normal groans when the ball was lost etc, but that happens regardless of the player, its a natural reaction.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 5, 2015 11:11:08 GMT
The substitution of Diouf and Arnautovic brought the game, that we were losing grip of, back to us. Exactly Before the subs we were pegged back on our 18 yard line. The subs changed the game Give him some credit. He earned his goal Why are we always so keen to write off our players. The OP has got it wrong anyway. Not surprised he looks miserable with supporters like ours. As long as he's playing for us we should be getting behind him. Confidence is key for forwards. He works hard and is as committed as SJW so why all the flak? I think Diouf brought us that final outlet. His pace was taking him away from the Everton defence every time. I sit in block 23 and there was a cross field pass and Diouf outpaced a player from behind him and held the ball up. Superb grafting it's exactly what you need coming into the end of the game. Really, it's a shame he didn't get another and wrap up a lovely 3 nil victory, but I won't complain at 2
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 5, 2015 11:17:49 GMT
Think he gets frustrated because no one is playing to his strengths. I've noticed him trying to make runs behind the defence, but no one seems to be willing to play a through ball to him. He's been unlucky this season and could quite easily have scored 12+ goals if it wasn't for the ACON (think he had to leave after the West Brom game) and for clearances off the line (especially at Old Trafford!). Think he's been a great signing in all honesty. This. I'll be first to admit I like Diouf, you don't get a record of 1 in 2 in Germany if you are a poor player. We want him to play back to goal and hold the ball up. It is apparent this isn't his game! He's always on the shoulder looking to run onto a ball and be put through 1v1 yet we don't play that pass. His confidence looks absolutely shot, for the meantime his pace and his modest goal return considering is keeping him 'out of jail'. I think he will come good, we just aren't utilising his strengths at the moment. Considering the positions he's played, I don't think he's doing too bad at all. Does he frustrate me? Yes. Could he do better? Yes. Am I prepared to give him more time? Yes. Do I think he will come good? I hope so, but we need more from him and he needs more from us (team and fans). There's obviously something big going on in his head somewhere, he seemed off the boil and un-interested at times last night, coupled with the celebration you have to wonder what's going on. Come on Mame, feel the Stokie Love and get back to your best.
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 5, 2015 11:30:11 GMT
So,
He's incredibly fast. Powerful. Decent in the air. Works his nuts off. Has a very decent goal scoring record in the Bundersleague.
If you added in good technical ability too, well he wouldn't be anywhere near our club would he?
We're just not going to get perfect players at Stoke - they are always going to have their problems/deficiencies.
The sooner we focus on what the players offer us, rather than what they lack - the better.
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Post by madeleystokie on Mar 5, 2015 11:47:27 GMT
Diouf is a good player to have when we look to play a particular style of play. His introduction to the game was the right choice yesterday after Crouch ran out of steam and we needed someone to press and harry those shambolic players who are supposed to be defenders.
Got to say though, what the bloody hell was he doing with his gloves? He left them on the pitch for five minutes then went back and put them on again. Baffling!
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Post by kustokie on Mar 5, 2015 14:42:39 GMT
League goals: Jonathan Walters - 7. Peter Crouch - 7. Mame Biram Diouf - 7. You keep banging that drum. Unfortunately it won't turn him into a good player.His 'hold up' play involved him hoofing the ball backwards towards the opposition three times and 'his goal'came about because he stumbled on the ball again and it fell to Arnie. You're entitled to your opinion but with all due respect that's a load of bollox. He was brought on to score on the break which he did. End of discussion.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 5, 2015 14:46:51 GMT
Here's a thought Cut the moaning and chuntering out at the match and get behind a bloke who's been out injured for 2 weeks, missed 4 weeks due to ACON, played right wing, left wing and centre forward to cover an horrendous injury list but still managed to score 8 goals in a side who are 8th!!! Cut him some slack eh Absolutely right on
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Post by Vestan Pance on Mar 5, 2015 14:52:37 GMT
I think this whole Diouf debate is bollocks. The lad works himself into the ground every time he plays, he's done a job he clearly wasn't brought here to do and done so without maoning and applied himself manfully to the task, even if he hasn't played well.
He constantly shows for the ball and will only get better. He is a confidence player and is currently low on confidence, but is still giving it everything, week in, week out.
There always has to be a scapegoat with a certain section of our support, and it really riles me. These are Halcyon days, the best since the mid 70's. Can we not enjoy it without trying to find fault every single time?
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Post by Los Alfareros on Mar 5, 2015 14:53:16 GMT
He could trip up on his own shadow that lad, and Im not sure the missus would have him round ours in case he knocked over one of the Wedgewoods....
..however I fuckin love him and think he will go from strength to strength under Hughes.
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Post by Northy on Mar 5, 2015 15:20:56 GMT
Not sure Diouf looks really dis-interested We thought that last night at times watching him, wasn't his normal cahsing and harrying that we see at times
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 5, 2015 15:41:36 GMT
Not sure Diouf looks really dis-interested We thought that last night at times watching him Just hope it's not the club as I think he could/will be an asset.
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Post by nutterpotter on Mar 6, 2015 7:16:38 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 6, 2015 8:25:22 GMT
I know the club often write these stories and they are not necessarily the players' words but I doubt they would write a story which the player would completely disagree with. I heard somewhere that Diouf had a few off the pitch problems at the moment and that may be a simple reason for him appearing a bit subdued at present. As said above, for me Diouf is not a hold up, back to goal player. He most emphatically is NOT a Peter Crouch with pace. What he is (as pointed out above) is the sort of player who has the pace to make things happen if he gets the right service when he can sit on the shoulder of the last defender. Yes, his first touch could be better, but even given that limitation, he can and does cause havoc when he can use that pace to run at a defence which has pushed up the pitch. His goal at Citeh and his goal on Wednesday were perfect examples of the problems a player with pace can cause for a defence. Diouf is here to stay unless and until we buy better - He'll end up this season with a decent goal return and, hopefully, that return will improve next season.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 6, 2015 9:14:50 GMT
If we are currently seeing the lad not at his absolute best due to other issues then I for one can't wait till he is firing on all cylinders because he has already made a good contribution. If ,with a bit of support, there is more to come then fantastic. Would be marvellous to think we could play a role in helping someone achieve better rather than just take the normal dumb-ass name-calling scapegoat route!
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 6, 2015 9:21:27 GMT
If he is unhappy, then I think I must be depressed! Sounds onboard to me. Message to Conspiracy Theorists = Must Try Harder! He said: "I'm always working hard to get myself ready for whenever they call me. Whenever the boss needs me, I'm ready. "I'll do my best whenever I'm asked to play on the wing, but I am a striker really and I love scoring goals. "It's a good time to be at Stoke. We're winning games, everything is happening and people are smiling. That's a good thing for us." The Senegal star believes he is proving he is a better player now than during his first spell in England with Manchester United. He explained: "I feel better suited to the Premier League now. I have more maturity. Since I left England (for Hannover in 2012) I've played a lot of games. I am more of a complete player. "Before I didn't have a lot of experience, but Stoke called me and gave me the chance to do it again in the Premier League. "I learned back then about the Premier League, so now is the time for me to just enjoy playing. I'm trying to enjoy that chance as much as I can." Diouf only made five substitute appearances in the league during his three years at Old Trafford, but insists it was all a valuable education. He added: "It helped me a lot. It was a great experience, and it gave me the chance to be in the same team as players like Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and Wayne Rooney. You just learn so much from them. "I tried it and I savoured it, but now is the time for me to move on in my career with Stoke." Three wins on the spin have lifted Hughes' side to eighth, their highest position of the season so far. They are hoping to beat last year's ninth-placed finish – and push for seventh spot and a possible route into the Europa League. Diouf said: "It was another great result to beat Everton. We are working hard every day to win games week by week," said Diouf. "We play as a team and win as a team. We have had our fair share of injuries, but we are a team and we have a good squad. Everyone can play whatever happens. "That's now nine points out of nine, and we'll see what happens over the rest of the season. "I don't know if we can catch the teams above us, but there are 10 games left. "We will give it everything we've got and then see where we are in the table." Read more: www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-Mame-Diouf-says-main-man-Potters/story-26128732-detail/story.html?#ixzz3TazC9HEw Follow us: @sentinelstaffs on Twitter | sentinelstaffs on Facebook
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Post by crownmeking on Mar 6, 2015 9:34:02 GMT
I think it is fair to say Diouf hasn't been himself recently, in terms of not looking happy and not celebrating goals. My personal feeling is he has had some sort of loss in his family life. You notice after he scored he didn't really celebrate, but he did point and look up to the sky.
I think the man has done a great job for us, even though he has been played out of position, AND lets not forget, he does score goals.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Mar 6, 2015 10:37:35 GMT
I still really like him and he adds such a different dynamic to our attack when he's playing upfront.
We certainly wouldn't have as many points away from home this season if it weren't for Diouf playing a crucial part in countering and stretching the opposition.
I also think his hold up play isn't too bad.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 6, 2015 10:43:06 GMT
It'd just be nice to see more of those runs like the one against Citeh when the ball's at his feet, rather than it pinging off his shin or his first touch taking it miles out of his way or him falling on his arse.
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Post by pez75 on Mar 6, 2015 10:53:41 GMT
The way I read this thread I don't see why some people are getting their knickers in a twist?
The general concensus seems to be that although Diouf is not the complete footballer he certainly has his uses and always gives 100%. There will always be differing opinions about his ability and it should be ok to debate this without being called a "dogshit" supporter.
With regards to the lack of celebration after his goal and after the game, it is a strange one, because he did exactly the same against Villa too, and he started that game so it cant have anything to do with being sub? I just hope Hughes has a little word with him, because if he continues to sulk he will end up getting more stick than he did at Blackburn.
IMO he was poor the other night but was in the right place for the goal so all is good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:18:02 GMT
He was beaming from ear to ear no issues with him, byw how many goals has he scored in all comps 9 ?
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 6, 2015 11:39:16 GMT
Do we really need all of our players looking jolly all of the time?
And when when they are not laughing and joking, does that mean they are sulking?
So we are suggesting he is not the complete player? As if Walters and Crouch are? Come off it!
I've only ever seen one player who was the complete player at Stoke and that was Hudson for 2 years before he went off the rails. Oh and of course Bojan for about half a dozen games.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:44:50 GMT
It'd just be nice to see more of those runs like the one against Citeh when the ball's at his feet, rather than it pinging off his shin or his first touch taking it miles out of his way or him falling on his arse. You've written him off already anyway so no skin of your nose..........
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 6, 2015 11:47:37 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 6, 2015 11:54:26 GMT
The way I read this thread I don't see why some people are getting their knickers in a twist? The general concensus seems to be that although Diouf is not the complete footballer he certainly has his uses and always gives 100%. There will always be differing opinions about his ability and it should be ok to debate this without being called a "dogshit" supporter. With regards to the lack of celebration after his goal and after the game, it is a strange one, because he did exactly the same against Villa too, and he started that game so it cant have anything to do with being sub? I just hope Hughes has a little word with him, because if he continues to sulk he will end up getting more stick than he did at Blackburn. IMO he was poor the other night but was in the right place for the goal so all is good. I have no problem with criticism about his performances The point being the posters that have critiqued him on here are the ones that have already stated that 'he's shit', 'he'll never be good enough' and 'I've written him off already' on previous occasions. He is what he is, no world beater, but a good enough option for us.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 6, 2015 11:57:22 GMT
It'd just be nice to see more of those runs like the one against Citeh when the ball's at his feet, rather than it pinging off his shin or his first touch taking it miles out of his way or him falling on his arse. You've written him off already anyway so no skin of your nose.......... I've written him off as far as being the player we thought we were getting, absolutely.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:59:18 GMT
On the verge of the ten goal mark some said he would never get !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:59:31 GMT
You've written him off already anyway so no skin of your nose.......... I've written him off as far as being the player we thought we were getting, absolutely. Nice little side step there......
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Post by StokieSC on Mar 6, 2015 12:08:45 GMT
Some people watch far too much Jeremy Kyle.
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