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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 5, 2015 9:06:32 GMT
League goals:
Jonathan Walters - 7.
Peter Crouch - 7.
Mame Biram Diouf - 7.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 5, 2015 9:20:07 GMT
His body language of late is shit. Don't know what the reason is but it's fact. You're a millionaire and you've just scored a winning goal in the most popular league in the world and you've got a face like a shut pub. Bloke wants to loosen up a bit.
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Post by huddy on Mar 5, 2015 9:25:27 GMT
League goals: Jonathan Walters - 7. Peter Crouch - 7. Mame Biram Diouf - 7. You keep banging that drum. Unfortunately it won't turn him into a good player.His 'hold up' play involved him hoofing the ball backwards towards the opposition three times and 'his goal'came about because he stumbled on the ball again and it fell to Arnie.
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 5, 2015 9:30:19 GMT
League goals: Jonathan Walters - 7. Peter Crouch - 7. Mame Biram Diouf - 7. You keep banging that drum. Unfortunately it won't turn him into a good player.His 'hold up' play involved him hoofing the ball backwards towards the opposition three times and 'his goal'came about because he stumbled on the ball again and it fell to Arnie. Priceless. Then again I'm not surprised as you're a fucking throbber.
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 5, 2015 9:30:20 GMT
His body language of late is shit. Don't know what the reason is but it's fact. You're a millionaire and you've just scored a winning goal in the most popular league in the world and you've got a face like a shut pub. Bloke wants to loosen up a bit. Before you judge him maybe you should find out the reasons? Maybe he's got family problems? A bereavement? Who knows.
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 5, 2015 9:32:15 GMT
His body language of late is shit. Don't know what the reason is but it's fact. You're a millionaire and you've just scored a winning goal in the most popular league in the world and you've got a face like a shut pub. Bloke wants to loosen up a bit. Before you judge him maybe you should find out the reasons? Maybe he's got family problems? A bereavement? Who knows. Neah let's stick the boot in because a) we never liked him b) need to vent our fury as the management are doing a great job or c) he isn't Peter Crouch. Absolutely dog shit support.
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on Mar 5, 2015 9:36:56 GMT
Was it really? Funny that,I could have sworn he sealed the game for us when it could have gone either way. Come on youth, yes he scored the goal, pretty much standing on the line, but lets not let that cover up another poor performance. You mean that one goal that was almost entirely if his own making the the half say line and into the back of the net? I'm not his biggest fan, I still think we need to search for the striker we've alwaya been looking for, but Jesus give the man some credit where its due. He played well today.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 5, 2015 9:37:11 GMT
Where I was sat last night, I was probably the only one not giving him any shit and trying to support him.. Whilst saying that, his performance was pretty dire. It's got nothing to do with loving or hating him, it's just a fact (as Rafa would say)
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Post by Robo10 on Mar 5, 2015 9:38:25 GMT
He does look unhappy it must be said, and (completely objectively) his passing last night was poor when he came on - a few times he bombed down the left then passed backwards, away from any Stoke players and either to an Everton player or so wayward it went into his own half!
HOWEVER, in the past few weeks he has been Johnny on the spot, great header at Villa (despite not the best performance first half), on the spot to finish last night after winning a tussle in midfield, driving forward, passing to Arnie and then following up, and his work rate is excellent
Whatever is going on off the field though he doesnt look like he is enjoying it much, the beaming smiles from early season seem to have gone - could be confidence, could be something at the club, team mates, family, bereavement as people have said, who knows.
But a fantastic option to have to stretch a game - he and Crouch seem to struggle when starting but score off the bench!
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Post by nik80 on Mar 5, 2015 9:41:20 GMT
I'm still not sure what to make of Diouf just yet, scored some goals but another frustrating player to watch for me. As for yesterday's goal, I thought he'd nearly lost control of the ball before he played it into Arnie's path, seemed to shin the ball. His goal though, can't take that away.
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 5, 2015 9:42:14 GMT
The substitution of Diouf and Arnautovic brought the game, that we were losing grip of, back to us.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 5, 2015 9:46:14 GMT
Before you judge him maybe you should find out the reasons? Maybe he's got family problems? A bereavement? Who knows. Neah let's stick the boot in because a) we never liked him b) need to vent our fury as the management are doing a great job or c) he isn't Peter Crouch. Absolutely dog shit support. Oh fuck off. Are you saying his current body language is imagined or is a positive thing? It's shit and that's that. You can talk about things you know, without it being part of some sort of massive fucking agenda that lives in your backward mind.
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Post by adamsson on Mar 5, 2015 9:47:12 GMT
His body language of late is shit. Don't know what the reason is but it's fact. You're a millionaire and you've just scored a winning goal in the most popular league in the world and you've got a face like a shut pub. Bloke wants to loosen up a bit. Seems a very reserved person, his work rate and general team work certainly don't indicate a problem. He is a faster Walters rather than the next Drogba but that's why he plays for Stoke not Chelsea.
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 5, 2015 9:49:56 GMT
Neah let's stick the boot in because a) we never liked him b) need to vent our fury as the management are doing a great job or c) he isn't Peter Crouch. Absolutely dog shit support. Oh fuck off. Are you saying his current body language is imagined or is a positive thing? It's shit and that's that. You can talk about things you know, without it being part of some sort of massive fucking agenda that lives in your backward mind. Do you not think that it could have something to do with the abuse he gets from the "fans"? Also the ones that are sticking the boot in, moving the goalposts and giving him no credit are the ones that 'never rated him'. Is that not an agenda?
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 5, 2015 9:50:56 GMT
Diouf's celebration was extremely mooted - the 'personal circumstances' would certainly fit that mould. Several players celebrated with Diouf, whilst only one initially celebrated with Arnie - who looked absolutely gutted that he hadn't scored. That's when the other players ran over to Arnie, and he managed to crack a smile. Arnie is more of a confidence player than most fans realise; if that had gone in, we'd have seen the same Arnie as we saw the back end of last season. The guy isn't stupid, and he'll be well aware that there are pockets of fans who are 'against' him because of his form - those doubters multiply ten-fold in your head when you're low on confidence. I personally thought his little cameo role was played out superbly - and might just be the start of a decent foundation for his confidence to be rebuilt. This. Arnie is desperate to score and looked gutted he'd missed a big chance. I think the rest of the team (including Diouf) sympathize with him.
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Post by huddy on Mar 5, 2015 9:51:43 GMT
Oh fuck off. Are you saying his current body language is imagined or is a positive thing? It's shit and that's that. You can talk about things you know, without it being part of some sort of massive fucking agenda that lives in your backward mind. Do you not think that it could have something to do with the abuse he gets from the "fans"? No
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Post by werrington on Mar 5, 2015 9:53:06 GMT
Here's a thought
Cut the moaning and chuntering out at the match and get behind a bloke who's been out injured for 2 weeks, missed 4 weeks due to ACON, played right wing, left wing and centre forward to cover an horrendous injury list but still managed to score 8 goals in a side who are 8th!!!
Cut him some slack eh
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 9:57:10 GMT
God bless the Oatcake body language experts and their infinite wisdom.
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Post by nik80 on Mar 5, 2015 10:01:47 GMT
I just don't know, he got the goal so you've gotta give him that but half the time he doesn't look like he knows where he's supposed to be playing for me.
Sometimes last night you had Arnie or Moses running the wing, I'm looking in the box and Diouf's nowhere to be seen, in fact sometimes when Arnie was making a run Diouf was hugging the bloody touchline trying to support from there. It's not where I wanted to see him really. As for constantly tying your boot laces and fucking about with your gloves, is it so bloody hard to sort yourself out before you get on the pitch?
I think he offers us something, obviously pace is always a danger but he certainly isn't the player most were hoping for, even his staunchest supporters can't deny that. Definitely looks to be lacking in confidence.
I don't think he went overboard on the goal celebrations yesterday because he knew he'd more or less shinned the ball into Arnie's path; it was a nice enough finish in the end but lets be honest, he'd made a bit of a fucking hash of it in reality. Well at very least his touch in the build up was undoubtedly scrappy.
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Post by nutterpotter on Mar 5, 2015 10:09:27 GMT
Think he gets frustrated because no one is playing to his strengths. I've noticed him trying to make runs behind the defence, but no one seems to be willing to play a through ball to him. He's been unlucky this season and could quite easily have scored 12+ goals if it wasn't for the ACON (think he had to leave after the West Brom game) and for clearances off the line (especially at Old Trafford!). Think he's been a great signing in all honesty.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 5, 2015 10:18:12 GMT
Oh fuck off. Are you saying his current body language is imagined or is a positive thing? It's shit and that's that. You can talk about things you know, without it being part of some sort of massive fucking agenda that lives in your backward mind. Do you not think that it could have something to do with the abuse he gets from the "fans"? Also the ones that are sticking the boot in, moving the goalposts and giving him no credit are the ones that 'never rated him'. Is that not an agenda? Pwongy you seem to have a problem with Stoke fans over everything. Are you paid by Stoke City to defend the players & management at all costs? The point we are discussing is a valid one. Hes hardly getting abuse from the fans in the stadium and nothing that a professional footballer wouldnt expect during any game. The thing I noticed yesterday is that he seems a bit pissed off with his team-mates after scoring. Actually I thought his earlier mistakes in the game with passing the ball back was because he was under orders from Hughes to keep possession to slow the game down. His natural tendency is to run at the defenders with the ball and he would be best served continuing to do that. It was clear it wasnt natural for him to turn and pass the ball back down the line and therefore it went pretty wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 10:19:10 GMT
Diouf looked absolutely shot of confidence when he came on, definitely think there's an issue with something but I'm not complaining. Something isn't right with Diouf. We don't know him well enough to know if he's a confidence player, and his is shot at the moment - on a personal level this season can't have gone as well as he'd hoped. Looks like he's over thinking things at the moment and not playing on instinct. It's difficult to know whether we're seeing the true Diouf now (an average enough Premier League player), or whether he'll spark into life at some point and move up a level.
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 5, 2015 10:22:29 GMT
Do you not think that it could have something to do with the abuse he gets from the "fans"? Also the ones that are sticking the boot in, moving the goalposts and giving him no credit are the ones that 'never rated him'. Is that not an agenda? Pwongy you seem to have a problem with Stoke fans over everything. Are you paid by Stoke City to defend the players & management at all costs? The point we are discussing is a valid one. Hes hardly getting abuse from the fans in the stadium and nothing that a professional footballer wouldnt expect during any game. The thing I noticed yesterday is that he seems a bit pissed off with his team-mates after scoring. Actually I thought his earlier mistakes in the game with passing the ball back was because he was under orders from Hughes to keep possession to slow the game down. His natural tendency is to run at the defenders with the ball and he would be best served continuing to do that. It was clear it wasnt natural for him to turn and pass the ball back down the line and therefore it went pretty wrong. You didn't see him get abused at Blackburn then? and don't sit near me either? Or generalfaye further up for that matter. I don't have a problem with stoke fans, it's just a shame that they seem to be few and far between.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 5, 2015 10:25:30 GMT
Oh fuck off. Are you saying his current body language is imagined or is a positive thing? It's shit and that's that. You can talk about things you know, without it being part of some sort of massive fucking agenda that lives in your backward mind. Do you not think that it could have something to do with the abuse he gets from the "fans"? Also the ones that are sticking the boot in, moving the goalposts and giving him no credit are the ones that 'never rated him'. Is that not an agenda? Does he really get a lot of stick outside of the bubble of this site? He certainly gets no more than a few others have endured in the past (Whelan/Walters etc.) and even that has been miniscule at the game, the odd collective sigh etc. I just like my players to celebrate my goals more like Bojan/Crouch etc. Does it really matter, probably not, but it will continue to generate comment because it just seems very peculiar behaviour.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 5, 2015 10:41:37 GMT
Pwongy you seem to have a problem with Stoke fans over everything. Are you paid by Stoke City to defend the players & management at all costs? The point we are discussing is a valid one. Hes hardly getting abuse from the fans in the stadium and nothing that a professional footballer wouldnt expect during any game. The thing I noticed yesterday is that he seems a bit pissed off with his team-mates after scoring. Actually I thought his earlier mistakes in the game with passing the ball back was because he was under orders from Hughes to keep possession to slow the game down. His natural tendency is to run at the defenders with the ball and he would be best served continuing to do that. It was clear it wasnt natural for him to turn and pass the ball back down the line and therefore it went pretty wrong. You didn't see him get abused at Blackburn then? and don't sit near me either? Or generalfaye further up for that matter. I don't have a problem with stoke fans, it's just a shame that they seem to be few and far between. The abuse he got at Blackburn was out of order I agree. But in general all players get some shit during the course of a game whether warranted or just out of frustration. Apart from Blackburn you cant say Diouf has been particularly targeted, and I seriously doubt he reads this messageboard. He was all smiles for the first 6 months here and now he looks like someone has run over his pet dog. Something has happened behind the scenes, maybe a bit of straight-talking from Hughes or Bowen which he didnt appreciate?
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Post by mcf on Mar 5, 2015 10:43:59 GMT
If Diouf was the complete player then he wouldn't be with us.
I think the lad gives nothing but 100% when he plays. Yep, his touch can be ropey (like last night when he miscontrolled it to Arnie) but his pace and willingness to run at people causes problems.
It's similar to the stick Moses had been getting. Both players had been in and out for a while for differing reasons but both did the business when asked last night.
Every player that steps on the pitch is contributing - we don't have a single player that I wish wasn't playing. I go to the ground these days not even caring about the line up because it doesn't matter based on what I've seen over the last 50 games - I'd be happy with any of them.
I couldn't give a fuck whether players celebrate goals or not - I'd rather them just celebrate at the end when we've won. I'd rather them come over for a clap at the end.
There is simply nothing to worry about the moment.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 5, 2015 10:44:35 GMT
Surely it's just because Arnie is a confidence player and he can't seem to buy himself any luck. He's hit the post a few times this season, he just can't score and then obviously Diouf took what really should have been Arnie's goal. I think Arnie likes to be appreciated that is all. I do hope that Diouf isn't unhappy though because I thought his change was a positive one and showed why we need him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 10:46:14 GMT
I don't dislike that lad. But is he a vast upgrade on Jerome, really?
I didn't think he did as badly last night as some are making out. But he lacks some fundamentals as a first-choice, top-8 Premier League striker. And the shortcomings are probably ones that you can't 'coach out' of him.
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Post by unknown182 on Mar 5, 2015 10:49:19 GMT
I'm not surprised his body language is shit with our support. He could score 15 goals this year and he'd still get jeered.
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 5, 2015 10:51:44 GMT
You didn't see him get abused at Blackburn then? and don't sit near me either? Or generalfaye further up for that matter. I don't have a problem with stoke fans, it's just a shame that they seem to be few and far between. The abuse he got at Blackburn was out of order I agree. But in general all players get some shit during the course of a game whether warranted or just out of frustration. Apart from Blackburn you cant say Diouf has been particularly targeted, and I seriously doubt he reads this messageboard. He was all smiles for the first 6 months here and now he looks like someone has run over his pet dog. Something has happened behind the scenes, maybe a bit of straight-talking from Hughes or Bowen which he didnt appreciate? Well I can say that, especially around me, hence why I typed it. Re that last snippet, good god you are a drama queen aren't you?
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