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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 14:05:38 GMT
Ignoring the bare-faced hypocrisy of you accusing anyone else of having a 'list', when someone has a good game I say so, when they don't I say so too. Adam is only on my 'list' if seeing other players as better options than him at present is somehow unreasonable. You won't have it that there's any kind of downside to his game and get all arsey the second anyone suggests there might be. Ireland was still creating chances right up to when he went off - his last action was creating that chance for Crouch. I can't remember us creating anything after that until Walters' goal at the death. Three Stoke players made more tackles than Nzonzi and I don't know what the criteria is for a 'key pass'. He also won the ball numerous times in the air, important on a day when the conditions played a big part. Any chance you could define this 'white-flagged' business? who were the three players as a matter of interest? Is that what nzonzi's role is then to break up play? I've been asking on here for two years and no bugger answers. If it is sidwell was the second best player in the premier league last season ahead of the likes of gerrard for interceptions. I've answered it above for you, you just don't want to know. Whelan is the out and out DM, Nzonzi the box to box engine, Bojan the creator. The three Stoke players to make more tackles were Whelan, Moses and Wollscheid.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 14:13:11 GMT
who were the three players as a matter of interest? Is that what nzonzi's role is then to break up play? I've been asking on here for two years and no bugger answers. If it is sidwell was the second best player in the premier league last season ahead of the likes of gerrard for interceptions. I've answered it above for you, you just don't want to know. Whelan is the out and out DM, Nzonzi the box to box engine, Bojan the creator. The three Stoke players to make more tackles were Whelan, Moses and Wollscheid. I don't think I can add anything to that other than as our ball winner, nzonzi, who when qpr were dominating spells in the second half, made less tackles than moses?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 14:16:13 GMT
I've answered it above for you, you just don't want to know. Whelan is the out and out DM, Nzonzi the box to box engine, Bojan the creator. The three Stoke players to make more tackles were Whelan, Moses and Wollscheid. I don't think I can add anything to that other than as our ball winner, nzonzi, who when qpr were dominating spells in the second half, made less tackles than moses? As did every other player on the pitch bar Whelan and Barton. Says that Moses did well to me, more than anything else. Still waiting on who you'd like to see in Nzonzi's place? What type of player should we be looking for?
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 14:22:38 GMT
Got no name mate just an image in my head of what I'd like. Someone who can put their foot on the ball and try to control the midfield. When things are getting over run he can disrupt play, slow it down and take the heat out of the game instead of just clocking up miles chasing shadows. And when we are playing well have the ability to get into the box and chip in with a decent return of goals that's expected of a box to box midfielder.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 1, 2015 14:22:50 GMT
How many tackles did he make? How many of his passes were key? I haven't praised Adam yesterday anywhere on this site just disagreed that we went into some sort of steep decline when he came on as you are suggesting. We were already losing the midfield and our attacks were wet fartish way before he came on. He neither improved or deteriorated matters but he's on your 'list' isn't he? Just like Wilson. Ignoring the bare-faced hypocrisy of you accusing anyone else of having a 'list', when someone has a good game I say so, when they don't I say so too. Adam is only on my 'list' if seeing other players as better options than him at present is somehow unreasonable. You won't have it that there's any kind of downside to his game and get all arsey the second anyone suggests there might be. Ireland was still creating chances right up to when he went off - his last action was creating that chance for Crouch. I can't remember us creating anything after that until Walters' goal at the death. Three Stoke players made more tackles than Nzonzi and I don't know what the criteria is for a 'key pass'. He also won the ball numerous times in the air, important on a day when the conditions played a big part. Any chance you could define this 'white-flagged' business? Apology accepted that I never said Adam had a good game. We completely lost the midfield. He is a midfielder. White flag was raised yet you said he was 'class'. Stop hiding behind this 'whole team to blame' nonsense and explain to me why we lost the midfield to the worst away team in Premier League history whilst we are on a thread where one player was motm and one was 'class'. It doesnt make the slightest bit of sense. I'm sure conclusions will resolve it for me. After the Wilson and Adam bashing!
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 14:26:15 GMT
Are the whole team to blame when a goalkeeper lets one in, or a forward misses chances? If a midfield is dictated to by the likes of qpr and Rochdale then I have to look at who's playing in it.
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Post by robchicken on Feb 1, 2015 14:26:21 GMT
I'd go with whelan for mom, he was brilliant, won so many headers in the middle against fer and broke them down so much
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 14:26:39 GMT
Ignoring the bare-faced hypocrisy of you accusing anyone else of having a 'list', when someone has a good game I say so, when they don't I say so too. Adam is only on my 'list' if seeing other players as better options than him at present is somehow unreasonable. You won't have it that there's any kind of downside to his game and get all arsey the second anyone suggests there might be. Ireland was still creating chances right up to when he went off - his last action was creating that chance for Crouch. I can't remember us creating anything after that until Walters' goal at the death. Three Stoke players made more tackles than Nzonzi and I don't know what the criteria is for a 'key pass'. He also won the ball numerous times in the air, important on a day when the conditions played a big part. Any chance you could define this 'white-flagged' business? Apology accepted that I never said Adam had a good game. We completely lost the midfield. He is a midfielder. White flag was raised yet you said he was 'class'. Stop hiding behind this 'whole team to blame' nonsense and explain to me why we lost the midfield to the worst away team in Premier League history whilst we are on a thread where one player was motm and one was 'class'. It doesnt make the slightest bit of sense. I'm sure conclusions will resolve it for me. After the Wilson and Adam bashing! If your strikers don't score, that doesn't mean they can't have had a good game. Equally the other team dominating the midfield doesn't automatically mean your own midfielders have been poor. That's a really, really basic way of looking at things. 'White-flagged' suggests cowardice, when the man saw loads of the ball - more than Whelan, Barton or Fer. That doesn't suggest he was hiding to me.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 14:27:14 GMT
Are the whole team to blame when a goalkeeper lets one in, or a forward misses chances? If a midfield is dictated to by the likes of qpr and Rochdale then I have to look at who's playing in it. You didn't even see the fucking game!
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2015 14:28:50 GMT
The two differences 're Whelan under Hughes is that he has a more defined role and that his levels of consistency have improved. Rare to see him have a bad game now and to be fair given his job it's unlikely he's going to catch the eye With a match winning performance. 7 out if 10 for me yesterday which is pretty much what we get from him every game.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 14:28:56 GMT
Are the whole team to blame when a goalkeeper lets one in, or a forward misses chances? If a midfield is dictated to by the likes of qpr and Rochdale then I have to look at who's playing in it. You didn't even see the fucking game! I saw the fucking Rochdale game and plenty others other than yesterday. True statement above though eh?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 1, 2015 14:30:37 GMT
Apology accepted that I never said Adam had a good game. We completely lost the midfield. He is a midfielder. White flag was raised yet you said he was 'class'. Stop hiding behind this 'whole team to blame' nonsense and explain to me why we lost the midfield to the worst away team in Premier League history whilst we are on a thread where one player was motm and one was 'class'. It doesnt make the slightest bit of sense. I'm sure conclusions will resolve it for me. After the Wilson and Adam bashing! If your strikers don't score, that doesn't mean they can't have had a good game. Equally the other team dominating the midfield doesn't automatically mean your own midfielders have been poor. That's a really, really basic way of looking at things. 'White-flagged' suggests cowardice, when the man saw loads of the ball - more than Whelan, Barton or Fer. That doesn't suggest he was hiding to me. Just sounds like excuse making for players you like to me Rob.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 14:30:59 GMT
You didn't even see the fucking game! I saw the fucking Rochdale game and plenty others other than yesterday. True statement above though eh? I thought the midfield was awful at Rochdale. You still haven't told me the kind of player you want to see there though. Who's your dream signing, what should we be looking for?
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2015 14:32:22 GMT
You didn't even see the fucking game! I saw the fucking Rochdale game and plenty others other than yesterday. True statement above though eh? Completely disagree with you about Nzonzi. I think he can and does boss midfield on a regular basis,against big sides too. Home and away. However I did think he was not at that standard second half and that caused a big problem.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 14:33:45 GMT
If your strikers don't score, that doesn't mean they can't have had a good game. Equally the other team dominating the midfield doesn't automatically mean your own midfielders have been poor. That's a really, really basic way of looking at things. 'White-flagged' suggests cowardice, when the man saw loads of the ball - more than Whelan, Barton or Fer. That doesn't suggest he was hiding to me. Just sounds like excuse making for players you like to me Rob. You'd know. Of course, your own opinion of Mr Nzonzi isn't colouring your view at all, presumably? If I thought Nzonzi had been shit I'd have said so, as I always do. I can't see too much other criticism of him concerning yesterday either.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 1, 2015 14:37:32 GMT
Just sounds like excuse making for players you like to me Rob. You'd know. Of course, your own opinion of Mr Nzonzi isn't colouring your view at all, presumably? If I thought Nzonzi had been shit I'd have said so, as I always do. I can't see too much other criticism of him concerning yesterday either. Don't manufacture a dislike, I think he should influence games more that's all I've ever said. I like the player. Only Bojan was better than him over the hectic festive period. Yesterday he lost the battle.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 14:38:27 GMT
I have stated my ideal midfielder above you just haven't read it. We can go on all afternoon about this so for me I'll say this. Nzonzi and whelan are decent. As said above about 7/10. I want more than that. Nzonzi bossing midfields? I thought I only missed yesterday! !
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2015 14:41:10 GMT
N'Zonzi is our best player.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 14:42:12 GMT
N'Zonzi is our best player. pisser!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2015 14:43:24 GMT
N'Zonzi is our best player. pisser! We're lucky to have him, sadly I don't think it'll last.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 14:45:31 GMT
We're lucky to have him, sadly I don't think it'll last. why do you think someone will come in for him, if so who?
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2015 14:50:34 GMT
We're lucky to have him, sadly I don't think it'll last. why do you think someone will come in for him, if so who? Can see him in Italy,Spain or Germany quite easily. France of course. And any club outside the top four in England.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 14:54:47 GMT
why do you think someone will come in for him, if so who? Can see him in Italy,Spain or Germany quite easily. France of course. And any club outside the top four in England. do you really think teams like Liverpool, arsenal, man utd, Southampton etc depending on what week it is would take nzonzi?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 16:07:06 GMT
Its a bit like Crouch this one - Nzonzi is definitelty one of our better players and a real asset
a real class act more often than not - frustrating sometimes - but thats just him - suppose they are a bit like marmite
some folk for whatever reason, just plain dont like him or, rate him whatosever
and yet, its there in front of us - how important these players really are - week in and week out
definitely both are lynch pins in our move upward in the Premier league table
and, that some folk just dont rate him / them is something I will just never understand about our own supporters
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2015 16:13:44 GMT
We didn't lose the midfield battle in anyway shape or form.
When shawcross went off, twitcher was off the bench telling his team to go direct.
He bought Zamora on to win the long ball and 2nd half, for the most part they totally bypassed the midfield battle.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 1, 2015 16:17:57 GMT
We didn't lose the midfield battle in anyway shape or form. When shawcross went off, twitcher was off the bench telling his team to go direct. He bought Zamora on to win the long ball and 2nd half, for the most part they totally bypassed the midfield battle. Come on Dave. We were dominated second half, and whilst we conceded no real great chances to them and Harry's assertion that we were battered is hogwash we created virtually zero also. Someone must be to blame surely?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2015 16:21:05 GMT
We didn't lose the midfield battle in anyway shape or form. When shawcross went off, twitcher was off the bench telling his team to go direct. He bought Zamora on to win the long ball and 2nd half, for the most part they totally bypassed the midfield battle. Come on Dave. We were dominated second half, and whilst we conceded no real great chances to them and Harry's assertion that we were battered is hogwash we created virtually zero also. Someone must be to blame surely? They went long using the elements to their advantage. We lost our way with a goalkeeper who could barely reach the half way line with his goal kicks and who also had an amazing ability to consistently kick the ball on to Clint Hills head.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 1, 2015 16:24:41 GMT
Come on Dave. We were dominated second half, and whilst we conceded no real great chances to them and Harry's assertion that we were battered is hogwash we created virtually zero also. Someone must be to blame surely? They went long using the elements to their advantage. We lost our way with a goalkeeper who could barely reach the half way line with his goal kicks and who also had an amazing ability to consistently kick the ball on to Clint Hills head. I don't think Begovic actually reached the half way line in the one he sliced just before their goal.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2015 16:27:13 GMT
They went long using the elements to their advantage. We lost our way with a goalkeeper who could barely reach the half way line with his goal kicks and who also had an amazing ability to consistently kick the ball on to Clint Hills head. I don't think Begovic actually reached the half way line in the one he sliced just before their goal. Amazed that no one has actually pointed out this fact until now. I was sitting on that one because I amazes me how some people will blame anyone other than the crowd favourites. Another abysmal bit of goalkeeping from asmir was that.
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2015 16:39:47 GMT
Can see him in Italy,Spain or Germany quite easily. France of course. And any club outside the top four in England. do you really think teams like Liverpool, arsenal, man utd, Southampton etc depending on what week it is would take nzonzi? I said any team outside of the top four. So Liverpool,yes. Man United probably not.
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