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Post by no1972 on Jan 31, 2015 23:42:16 GMT
It would be interesting to see if those who attend the match opinions are different than those who watched online.Tv only follows the ball it does not shown the amount of ground players cover so they can close down,Whelan does this more than most.
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Post by sutt on Jan 31, 2015 23:43:49 GMT
It would be interesting to see if those who attend the match opinions are different than those who watched online.Tv only follows the ball it does not shown the amount of ground players cover so they can close down,Whelan does this more than most. Nah been today, he was shite
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 31, 2015 23:46:37 GMT
he's the latest Marmite player but a stalwart from the day we signed him
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Jan 31, 2015 23:48:57 GMT
I never ever said that I would but I maintain we have 5 forwards, 4 of which are capable of doing the job in that role. Over the course of the season all will contribute. All have done. The squad needs a winger but it doesn't need a forward unless someone is leaving. With crouch penning a 2 year contract, clearly no-one is. I still don't think we have the forward to lead the line for us mate, regardless of Walters' hat-trick today. I was really hoping Diouf was going to be that man but for all his pace, his first touch is dreadful and he seems incapable of playing with his back to goal. Crouch is absolutely fantastic at holding the ball up but he's got zero pace and is clearly incapable of leading the line on his own. Indeed Diouf and Crouch both look like players who would work far better in a partnership of a front two but that would mean losing Bojan (when fit). That leaves Super Jon to lead the line in a 4-2-3-1 and he (despite all his endeavour) simply does not have enough quality to carry that off home and away, across the whole of the Prem, week in week out, imho. I have never been Walters biggest fan. But what I saw today was quality finishing, and it is his place to lose.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 31, 2015 23:55:50 GMT
I still don't think we have the forward to lead the line for us mate, regardless of Walters' hat-trick today. I was really hoping Diouf was going to be that man but for all his pace, his first touch is dreadful and he seems incapable of playing with his back to goal. Crouch is absolutely fantastic at holding the ball up but he's got zero pace and is clearly incapable of leading the line on his own. Indeed Diouf and Crouch both look like players who would work far better in a partnership of a front two but that would mean losing Bojan (when fit). That leaves Super Jon to lead the line in a 4-2-3-1 and he (despite all his endeavour) simply does not have enough quality to carry that off home and away, across the whole of the Prem, week in week out, imho. I have never been Walters biggest fan. But what I saw today was quality finishing, and it is his place to lose. Oh absolutely it (currently) is and nothing should be taken away from his performance today, however the conversation isn't JUST about his performance today.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 1, 2015 8:44:39 GMT
Just watched highlights. First goal, Whelan went pressing on halfway and was easily bypassed, Fer then had a free run at our defence. Fer free kick, Whelan again pressing onnhalfway and again bypassed leading to space in front of our back four. Barton free kick Whelan nowhere to be seen near Barton. If your job is CDM then these seem like 3 major errors. The problem he has is lack of pace, rest of defensive side of his game is good, think we would all agree he makes a limited contribution to our forward play. Overall steady but noweher near a simportant as some of the views on him would suggest
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 9:04:19 GMT
I like whelan and nzonzi, but for me they're too similar in some ways. Too many sideways safe passes, lots of running around without really noticing them. Even Rochdale dominated midfield until ireland came on. Midfield is key to dictating play. Far too many times we rely on a flash of brilliance from a bojan or moses to win the game. I love us to dominate games. Boss the play, make positive passes, play on the front foot, spray passes, switch play quickly. For me those moments are too few for me.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 1, 2015 9:08:18 GMT
Just watched highlights. First goal, Whelan went pressing on halfway and was easily bypassed, Fer then had a free run at our defence. Fer free kick, Whelan again pressing onnhalfway and again bypassed leading to space in front of our back four. Barton free kick Whelan nowhere to be seen near Barton. If your job is CDM then these seem like 3 major errors. The problem he has is lack of pace, rest of defensive side of his game is good, think we would all agree he makes a limited contribution to our forward play. Overall steady but noweher near a simportant as some of the views on him would suggest You're right, like Rochdale, most of QPR's best work came right down the middle and Whelan has to take some of the blame for that but he's running a one man operation. Getting no help from the unfit and occasionally uninterested N'Zonzi and the errant Ireland. It's an impossible job which he does to a high level. It would take serious money to get someone as dedicated to the task as he is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 9:23:43 GMT
Just watched highlights. First goal, Whelan went pressing on halfway and was easily bypassed, Fer then had a free run at our defence. Fer free kick, Whelan again pressing onnhalfway and again bypassed leading to space in front of our back four. Barton free kick Whelan nowhere to be seen near Barton. If your job is CDM then these seem like 3 major errors. The problem he has is lack of pace, rest of defensive side of his game is good, think we would all agree he makes a limited contribution to our forward play. Overall steady but noweher near a simportant as some of the views on him would suggest You're right, like Rochdale, most of QPR's best work came right down the middle and Whelan has to take some of the blame for that but he's running a one man operation. Getting no help from the unfit and occasionally uninterested N'Zonzi and the errant Ireland. It's an impossible job which he does to a high level. It would take serious money to get someone as dedicated to the task as he is. Ireland worked his socks off yesterday.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 9:25:09 GMT
For a couple of years I've mentioned our centre midfield. I was on my own at the time but more and more are agreeing now. Maybe it's because I used to like playing in midfield myself and if I felt the game was not going our way and the opposition were have a good spell I'd do something about it. I'd make a good tackle, try to get on the ball and make something happen. Make your team mates realise you're up for it which then spreads to others. Throwing things at the tele in the first half against bloody Rochdale until ireland came on. We couldn't get a grip of the game. Nzonzi had his spliff in again. love hoe we're going at the moment but think we'd be even better with a midfielder with the ability to 'run' a game.
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Post by fca47 on Feb 1, 2015 9:39:41 GMT
We pressed as a unit in the first half, and that's why we were on top,but in second half it was Whelan on his own, with the rest no where to be seen, that's why they were bi-passing us.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 9:44:30 GMT
We pressed as a unit in the first half, and that's why we were on top,but in second half it was Whelan on his own, with the rest no where to be seen, that's why they were bi-passing us. Like I said in the summer a beast of a midfielder please.
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Post by fca47 on Feb 1, 2015 9:52:08 GMT
We pressed as a unit in the first half, and that's why we were on top,but in second half it was Whelan on his own, with the rest no where to be seen, that's why they were bi-passing us. Like I said in the summer a beast of a midfielder please. I think we do need that type of midfielder, but my point is people are blaming Whelan for the second half when he was doing his job but wasn't backed up by the other midfielders, allowing them to play through us. Whelan is the only one with the energy and discipline to press for the whole 90 minutes.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 9:58:47 GMT
Like I said in the summer a beast of a midfielder please. I think we do need that type of midfielder, but my point is people are blaming Whelan for the second half when he was doing his job but wasn't backed up by the other midfielders, allowing them to play through us. Whelan is the only one with the energy and discipline to press for the whole 90 minutes. I agee. As I said before I missed my first game yesterday due to work and listened on the way home to radio stoke. I heard nzonzi's name mentioned three times. Nigel Johnson was getting frustrated at how qpr were bossing it and I was screaming in the car for our midfield to show some balls and get in there and change the flow. As hughes goes on about lately, the players 'game management'. We can't keep letting midfields have the run of the game.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 9:59:43 GMT
Nzonzi was class yesterday I thought. And is class, generally.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 1, 2015 10:01:01 GMT
Nzonzi was class yesterday I thought. And is class, generally. Class yesterday???!!!?????!!!! Really? Goodness me.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 10:01:23 GMT
Nzonzi was class yesterday I thought. And is class, generally. Class yesterday???!!!?????!!!! Really? Goodness me. Yep. I really don't see where you're coming from on this one.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 1, 2015 10:02:28 GMT
Class yesterday???!!!?????!!!! Really? Goodness me. Yep. I really don't see where you're coming from on this one. He white flagged it from an early stage.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 10:08:00 GMT
He won countless headers, didn't waste a pass, brought us out of trouble a fair few times and was generally one of our more influential players I thought. The fact that nobody made more passes, nobody made more attacking third passes and three of our top six passing combos involved him would appear to back that up.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 10:08:58 GMT
Let me try this one. If some on here think nzonzi is so good then answer me these questions. For all the fuss he's created before about leaving has there ever been any known interest. Like speculation surrounding some of our players has there ever been a link with nzonzi? And finally, if we're looking to be a consistent top ten club, name me another top ten club that would jump at the chance to sign him, at what price and who he'd replace at their club. Can't wait for this one.
for the record do I like him? Yes. Do I think he's shit? No. Do I hope we get better? Yes.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 1, 2015 10:10:55 GMT
He won countless headers, didn't waste a pass, brought us out of trouble a fair few times and was generally one of our more influential players I thought. The fact that nobody made more passes, nobody made more attacking third passes and three of our top six passing combos involved him would appear to back that up. Where do you lay the blame for us being completely dominated in the middle of the park, second half then then Rob.........and to make it harder you can't blame Mark Wilson.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 10:13:33 GMT
Let me try this one. If some on here think nzonzi is so good then answer me these questions. For all the fuss he's created before about leaving has there ever been any known interest. Like speculation surrounding some of our players has there ever been a link with nzonzi? And finally, if we're looking to be a consistent top ten club, name me another top ten club that would jump at the chance to sign him, at what price and who he'd replace at their club. Can't wait for this one. for the record do I like him? Yes. Do I think he's shit? No. Do I hope we get better? Yes. Who cares? He's important to us. There wasn't a clamour for Fuller, there hasn't really been one for Shawcross.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 10:13:54 GMT
He won countless headers, didn't waste a pass, brought us out of trouble a fair few times and was generally one of our more influential players I thought. The fact that nobody made more passes, nobody made more attacking third passes and three of our top six passing combos involved him would appear to back that up. was that first half? What happened in the second half? Was anything done to change the flow of the game against another poor side like Rochdale again from dominating midfield?
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 10:16:26 GMT
Let me try this one. If some on here think nzonzi is so good then answer me these questions. For all the fuss he's created before about leaving has there ever been any known interest. Like speculation surrounding some of our players has there ever been a link with nzonzi? And finally, if we're looking to be a consistent top ten club, name me another top ten club that would jump at the chance to sign him, at what price and who he'd replace at their club. Can't wait for this one. for the record do I like him? Yes. Do I think he's shit? No. Do I hope we get better? Yes. Who cares? He's important to us. There wasn't a clamour for Fuller, there hasn't really been one for Shawcross. . I care. If you can't answer those questions it backs up everything I and others think.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 10:16:27 GMT
He won countless headers, didn't waste a pass, brought us out of trouble a fair few times and was generally one of our more influential players I thought. The fact that nobody made more passes, nobody made more attacking third passes and three of our top six passing combos involved him would appear to back that up. Where do you lay the blame for us being completely dominated in the middle of the park, second half then then Rob.........and to make it harder you can't blame Mark Wilson. I blame the team, generally. We slackened off, lost our confidence, and they went for it. We kept giving them the ball back, often via Asmir deciding that Walters was a target man for some reason, which didn't help, with nothing sticking up front. Ireland going off was a dagger to our attacking play as well.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 10:17:18 GMT
Who cares? He's important to us. There wasn't a clamour for Fuller, there hasn't really been one for Shawcross. . I care. If you can't answer those questions it backs up everything I and others think. No it doesn't, it's irrelevant. Would you want to see Ryan replaced because there's been no bid for him?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 1, 2015 10:21:10 GMT
Where do you lay the blame for us being completely dominated in the middle of the park, second half then then Rob.........and to make it harder you can't blame Mark Wilson. I blame the team, generally. We slackened off, lost our confidence, and they went for it. We kept giving them the ball back, often via Asmir deciding that Walters was a target man for some reason, which didn't help, with nothing sticking up front. Ireland going off was a dagger to our attacking play as well. SO you think everyone was to blame except N'Zonzi? I've lost you now?
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Post by sportsman on Feb 1, 2015 10:23:35 GMT
. I care. If you can't answer those questions it backs up everything I and others think. No it doesn't, it's irrelevant. Would you want to see Ryan replaced because there's been no bid for him? There's been more speculation about ryan and it's only the obvious price tag that stops further interest. Just answer me the which other top ten club and player he'd replace. Just that one will do.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 10:23:39 GMT
I blame the team, generally. We slackened off, lost our confidence, and they went for it. We kept giving them the ball back, often via Asmir deciding that Walters was a target man for some reason, which didn't help, with nothing sticking up front. Ireland going off was a dagger to our attacking play as well. SO you think everyone was to blame except N'Zonzi? I've lost you now? No, I don't think Nzonzi was more or less to blame than anyone else. I don't understand, other than the fact you're generally not a fan of his, how you've decided he was the problem yesterday. Or the assertion that he white-flagged it when nobody in a red and white shirt saw more of the ball.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 10:28:58 GMT
No it doesn't, it's irrelevant. Would you want to see Ryan replaced because there's been no bid for him? There's been more speculation about ryan and it's only the obvious price tag that stops further interest. Just answer me the which other top ten club and player he'd replace. Just that one will do. How do you know it's not the 'obvious price tag' that stops Nzonzi interest? Again, when we were flying high under TP, where was the speculation around Etherington or Fuller? Looking at Spurs' midfield I'd have Nzonzi over at least two of theirs and I don't see a lot in the West Ham or Swansea midfield that's significantly better either.
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