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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 31, 2015 20:36:05 GMT
I thought Ireland was MOM. Whelan and Fonz went missing a bit for my liking in the second half. Yep Ireland was excellent too. If Bojan had played that game today, people would have been creaming themselves. He and Whelan were excellent but understandably Walters (justifiably) will take the plaudits.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 31, 2015 20:45:42 GMT
I thought Ireland was MOM. Whelan and Fonz went missing a bit for my liking in the second half. Yep Ireland was excellent too. If Bojan had played that game today, people would have been creaming themselves. He and Whelan were excellent but understandably Walters (justifiably) will take the plaudits. We just need to get him match fit but I still have no idea why Hughes subbed him, all of the subs were mind boggling I thought.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 31, 2015 20:46:28 GMT
I still don't think we have the forward to lead the line for us mate, regardless of Walters' hat-trick today. I was really hoping Diouf was going to be that man but for all his pace, his first touch is dreadful and he seems incapable of playing with his back to goal. Crouch is absolutely fantastic at holding the ball up but he's got zero pace and is clearly incapable of leading the line on his own. Indeed Diouf and Crouch both look like players who would work far better in a partnership of a front two but that would mean losing Bojan (when fit). That leaves Super Jon to lead the line in a 4-2-3-1 and he (despite) all his endeavour, simply does not have enough quality to carry that off home and away, across the whole of the Prem, week in week out, imho. Wr are Stoke City though so we can't afford countless options. Diouf will come good. I'm convinced of it. Walters can do a good Jo in that position and crouch can too (though he'd be at the bottom of the pecking order for me). We've also got odemwingie to come back. We don't need another forward right now, or if we do, we need to get rid of someone first. Just because we've got plenty in numbers who can 'do a job' there, doesn't then mean that we have anybody who IS good enough. If you can put your hand on you heart and say that you would be happy with Walters or Crouch leading the line, home and away for us, for the next 18 months - then fair enough but I don't think you could. That leaves the HOPE that Diouf will come good. And I really hope he does too.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 31, 2015 20:51:55 GMT
Wr are Stoke City though so we can't afford countless options. Diouf will come good. I'm convinced of it. Walters can do a good Jo in that position and crouch can too (though he'd be at the bottom of the pecking order for me). We've also got odemwingie to come back. We don't need another forward right now, or if we do, we need to get rid of someone first. Just because we've got plenty in numbers who can 'do a job' there, doesn't then mean that we have anybody who IS good enough. If you can put your hand on you heart and say that you would be happy with Walters or Crouch leading the line, home and away for us, for the next 18 months - then fair enough but I don't think you could. That leaves the HOPE that Diouf will come good. And I really hope he does too. We don't need to rely on any of them to play consistently for 18 months. When one drops another will come in and do a job. Its called a squad. I would love us to have a top goal scorer who can do all we need but they cost money and aren't easy to come by. We cant simply sign player after player. We have to move people on to bring others in. A winger is more pressing than a striker in my opinion.
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Post by Davef on Jan 31, 2015 20:53:23 GMT
Have you got a Whelan mask when your giving the Mrs one Was that you parking up at the bottom of Hem Heath car park about 12.45 Mutters? Was going to wave as I drove past, but I couldn't be arsed.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 31, 2015 20:56:39 GMT
Yep Ireland was excellent too. If Bojan had played that game today, people would have been creaming themselves. He and Whelan were excellent but understandably Walters (justifiably) will take the plaudits. We just need to get him match fit but I still have no idea why Hughes subbed him, all of the subs were mind boggling I thought. Ireland had tight hamstrings,and Arnie was wank.Nothing mind boggling at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 20:58:36 GMT
Yep Ireland was excellent too. If Bojan had played that game today, people would have been creaming themselves. He and Whelan were excellent but understandably Walters (justifiably) will take the plaudits. We just need to get him match fit but I still have no idea why Hughes subbed him, all of the subs were mind boggling I thought. Hughes said on Radio Stoke that Ireland had felt his hamstring tighten, and that was why he was taken off.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jan 31, 2015 20:59:54 GMT
Have you got a Whelan mask when your giving the Mrs one Was that you parking up at the bottom of Hem Heath car park about 12.45 Mutters? Was going to wave as I drove past, but I couldn't be arsed. It was mate in my usual norm spot [quick get away] Thanks for that
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Post by penkvillepotter on Jan 31, 2015 21:01:02 GMT
I thought the midfield 3 all had good games. My choice would have been N'Zonzi. I saw a more aggressive side to him today.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 31, 2015 21:03:54 GMT
Just because we've got plenty in numbers who can 'do a job' there, doesn't then mean that we have anybody who IS good enough. If you can put your hand on you heart and say that you would be happy with Walters or Crouch leading the line, home and away for us, for the next 18 months - then fair enough but I don't think you could. That leaves the HOPE that Diouf will come good. And I really hope he does too. We don't need to rely on any of them to play consistently for 18 months. When one drops another will come in and do a job. Its called a squad. I would love us to have a top goal scorer who can do all we need but they cost money and aren't easy to come by. We cant simply sign player after player. We have to move people on to bring others in. A winger is more pressing than a striker in my opinion. So you'd be happy with Walters for three months, then Crouch for three months and Diouf for another three, or whatever variation you please? Put anyone of those three, leading the line in a 4-2-3-1 ahead of Moses, Bojan and Arnie and I know where the weak link is. I'm very surprised Crouch has been given a new deal but just because he has been given one, doesn't then mean we're okay up front. All season I've been suggesting we need Moses, a right back and a striker to become a bona fide top ten side. Walters' hattrick today hasn't changed that opinion.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jan 31, 2015 21:05:31 GMT
If Bojan had done that backheel, we would be talking about it for the next month.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 21:07:21 GMT
Hughes said on Radio Stoke that Ireland had felt his hamstring tighten, and that was why he was taken off. But what does he know. What's his username on here?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 21:08:46 GMT
Hughes said on Radio Stoke that Ireland had felt his hamstring tighten, and that was why he was taken off. But what does he know. What's his username on here? I never said he was in the know. They just said his name was Hughes. He's on every week.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 31, 2015 21:18:59 GMT
We don't need to rely on any of them to play consistently for 18 months. When one drops another will come in and do a job. Its called a squad. I would love us to have a top goal scorer who can do all we need but they cost money and aren't easy to come by. We cant simply sign player after player. We have to move people on to bring others in. A winger is more pressing than a striker in my opinion. So you'd be happy with Walters for three months, then Crouch for three months and Diouf for another three, or whatever variation you please? Put anyone of those three, leading the line in a 4-2-3-1 ahead of Moses, Bojan and Arnie and I know where the weak link is. I'm very surprised Crouch has been given a new deal but just because he has been given one, doesn't then mean we're okay up front. All season I've been suggesting we need Moses, a right back and a striker to become a bona fide top ten side. Walters' hattrick today hasn't changed that opinion. We finished 9th last season and are on course for another top 10 finish this season so that kind of disproves your final point. 3 months with one, 3 with another doesn't work either does it? Walters is the man in possession and he's played 2 excellent premier league games and scored in the cup. Diouf got 5 goals in 12 starts up front prior to that and crouch has contributed performances and goals as well. If Walters has a poor game I'd back diouf to come in and make it hard for Hughes to leave him out. We've got a decent squad and are doing well. With decent service, the forwards we have will score goals and that is my point. You can split heirs all you want but a touch of realism needs to be built into the equation as well. We've got 5 central forwards each of which offer something different. That I a lot for a club like ours.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 31, 2015 21:26:07 GMT
So you'd be happy with Walters for three months, then Crouch for three months and Diouf for another three, or whatever variation you please? Put anyone of those three, leading the line in a 4-2-3-1 ahead of Moses, Bojan and Arnie and I know where the weak link is. I'm very surprised Crouch has been given a new deal but just because he has been given one, doesn't then mean we're okay up front. All season I've been suggesting we need Moses, a right back and a striker to become a bona fide top ten side. Walters' hattrick today hasn't changed that opinion. We finished 9th last season and are on course for another top 10 finish this season so that kind of disproves your final point. 3 months with one, 3 with another doesn't work either does it? Walters is the man in possession and he's played 2 excellent premier league games and scored in the cup. Diouf got 5 goals in 12 starts up front prior to that and crouch has contributed performances and goals as well. If Walters has a poor game I'd back diouf to come in and make it hard for Hughes to leave him out. We've got a decent squad and are doing well. With decent service, the forwards we have will score goals and that is my point. You can split heirs all you want but a touch of realism needs to be built into the equation as well. We've got 5 central forwards each of which offer something different. That I a lot for a club like ours. Each to their own mate, I'd feel as though we weren't realising the potential of the other three, if we played Crouch or Walters on their own for any period of time in front of Moses, Bojan and Arnie in a 4-2-3-1. I live in hope that Diouf will ultimately realise that potential. Oh and when I said bona fide top ten side - I meant one that is EXPECTED to finish in the top ten and would be LIKELY to finish even higher.
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 31, 2015 21:26:32 GMT
He was pretty average today
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 21:50:25 GMT
Whelan had a cracking game but walters deservedly got the mon and imo Ireland was a very close 2nd
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Post by Davef on Jan 31, 2015 21:55:55 GMT
He was pretty average today lol
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Post by huuuuuth on Jan 31, 2015 22:01:24 GMT
One of our best signings in recent times. Half a million quid? Bloody bargain
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Post by sutt on Jan 31, 2015 22:16:54 GMT
Whelan was outstanding today ... again. Really? he was run ragged by Fer second half due to his lack of pace. Our midfield disappeared as a defensive unti second half so i can't see Whelan was even in the frame for one of the top 5 players, N'Zonzi contributed more than Whelan but Wollscheid, Walters, Begovic, ireland and Moses had stretches of clear water to Whelan. Great as a squad player but we need more in midfield if we are to keep improving. Whenever we go away to a top side we are out passed and out moved in midfield. Certainly need more legs in the two who play behind Bojan long-term Bang on, Fer battered him. Whelan is so overhyped now it's unbelievable, why do we always have to have this weekly whelan loving, Wish Wolschied had knocked his block off to be honest
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Post by right on Jan 31, 2015 22:22:56 GMT
Weird, didn't think he was that great. Seemed like he jut runs into the opponents, not concerned about fouls or not. While I think it's a good attitude to have, for him it goes unchecked and he commits too many fouls. Looks more like a bully out there than a football player at times. I think he could get away with it if he had good ball skill but he doesn't. But he fits the mold for now and is an asset for where our team is at the moment, so I am happy with him.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 31, 2015 22:24:37 GMT
He enjoyed being captain, didn't he? A good photographer might have captured an image of the moment in the second half where you had Whelan, Bardsley, Begovic and Muniesa bawling primally at each other.
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Post by werrington on Jan 31, 2015 22:36:46 GMT
He was pretty average today You don't half talk some bollocks
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Post by sutt on Jan 31, 2015 23:15:29 GMT
Bang average as per and the stats tell the same story, how can he be considered for man of the match, yes he produced his usual load of backwards and sideways 5-10 yard passes under no pressure in his own half, but he committed endless fouls, lost his positioning second half got beat for pace everywhere, and contributed nothing going forward at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 23:16:59 GMT
Walters Ireland Whelan
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 31, 2015 23:18:20 GMT
Thought he did well , not Nonzonzi's best game so Whelan put a lot into today like Walters a top professional
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Post by Jimm on Jan 31, 2015 23:20:57 GMT
I thought he was bang average today and left the midfield too open at times, along with Nznonzi ???
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 31, 2015 23:32:35 GMT
Really? he was run ragged by Fer second half due to his lack of pace. Our midfield disappeared as a defensive unti second half so i can't see Whelan was even in the frame for one of the top 5 players, N'Zonzi contributed more than Whelan but Wollscheid, Walters, Begovic, ireland and Moses had stretches of clear water to Whelan. Great as a squad player but we need more in midfield if we are to keep improving. Whenever we go away to a top side we are out passed and out moved in midfield. Certainly need more legs in the two who play behind Bojan long-term Bang on, Fer battered him. Whelan is so overhyped now it's unbelievable, why do we always have to have this weekly whelan loving, Wish Wolschied had knocked his block off to be honest Oh dear oh dear oh dear...........
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 31, 2015 23:34:30 GMT
I thought he was bang average today and left the midfield too open at times, along with Nznonzi ??? At fault for their goal. Charged in for a challenge and got nowhere near his man.
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Post by sutt on Jan 31, 2015 23:39:55 GMT
I thought he was bang average today and left the midfield too open at times, along with Nznonzi ??? At fault for their goal. Charged in for a challenge and got nowhere near his man. Correct and 2nd half he did same
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