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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 13:13:29 GMT
Wilko used to get slaughtered on here because of his rash challenges. Bardsley is no different in that department. I don't think you can get a fag paper between them as far as ability is concerned. Cameron is a better attacking full back than either of them. Unfortunately, Geoff tends to leave holes behind him when he goes forward and isn't quick enough to recover. He's also a player who blows hot and cold. Sometimes he can be excellent and other times he can be shit. I see him as a utility player, but I still don't know which is his best position. He's a strange one that's for sure. Bardsley has yet to convince me that he's stable enough for that right back spot. I'm surprised he hasn't already had a couple of reds this season. OS. He is looking more and more like Wilko with each passing game. Have a great Xmas, M.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 13:33:51 GMT
I thought he was shite. He was given the space for the second goal due to Adam being on and us chasing the game, other than that he did bugger all and like Costa I really wasn't impressed. He really didn't scare me much last night, Chelsea didn't in general to be honest.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 13:34:12 GMT
Wilko used to get slaughtered on here because of his rash challenges. Bardsley is no different in that department. I don't think you can get a fag paper between them as far as ability is concerned. Cameron is a better attacking full back than either of them. Unfortunately, Geoff tends to leave holes behind him when he goes forward and isn't quick enough to recover. He's also a player who blows hot and cold. Sometimes he can be excellent and other times he can be shit. I see him as a utility player, but I still don't know which is his best position. He's a strange one that's for sure. Bardsley has yet to convince me that he's stable enough for that right back spot. I'm surprised he hasn't already had a couple of reds this season. OS. He is looking more and more like Wilko with each passing game. Have a great Xmas, M. He is, it's great.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 13:36:29 GMT
I thought he was shite. He was given the space for the second goal due to Adam being on and us chasing the game, other than that he did bugger all and like Costa I really wasn't impressed. He really didn't scare me much last night, Chelsea didn't in general to be honest. If you think Hazard was shite last night then I take comfort in the fact we disagree on the assessments of our own players. The guy is absolutely world class. Even on a night when he wasn't at his best he was still in a different league to any attacking play we had on show. To call his performance "shite" is ludicrous.
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Post by jayroberts92 on Dec 23, 2014 13:39:14 GMT
Bardsley is awful, over aggressive & dives in all the time, Cameron at RB & Whelan/Sidwell in the middle for me. Can't use the excuse he was marking Hazard, he was shit against Burnley, can't imagine what he's like in training against Moses
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 13:43:12 GMT
I thought he was shite. He was given the space for the second goal due to Adam being on and us chasing the game, other than that he did bugger all and like Costa I really wasn't impressed. He really didn't scare me much last night, Chelsea didn't in general to be honest. If you think Hazard was shite last night then I take comfort in the fact we disagree on the assessments of our own players. The guy is absolutely world class. Even on a night when he wasn't at his best he was still in a different league to any attacking play we had on show. To call his performance "shite" is ludicrous. Both defensive units last night played well. Their attack didn't threaten us really and ours didn't threaten them, Hazard was a part of that attack that didn't really threaten us, which is what makes the result a bit gutting. They didn't really deserve it but they took their chances through poor defending and a scabby goal, we fluffed ours. He is world class but last night he didn't do much at all. For him, he was indeed shite.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 13:47:22 GMT
If you think Hazard was shite last night then I take comfort in the fact we disagree on the assessments of our own players. The guy is absolutely world class. Even on a night when he wasn't at his best he was still in a different league to any attacking play we had on show. To call his performance "shite" is ludicrous. Both defensive units last night played well. Their attack didn't threaten us really and ours didn't threaten them, Hazard was a part of that attack that didn't really threaten us, which is what makes the result a bit gutting. They didn't really deserve it but they took their chances through poor defending and a scabby goal, we fluffed ours. He is world class but last night he didn't do much at all. For him, he was indeed shite. They scored 2 goals and should have had at least one more from Costa's one-on-one. Not bad from a poor attacking performance, away from home.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 13:55:01 GMT
Both defensive units last night played well. Their attack didn't threaten us really and ours didn't threaten them, Hazard was a part of that attack that didn't really threaten us, which is what makes the result a bit gutting. They didn't really deserve it but they took their chances through poor defending and a scabby goal, we fluffed ours. He is world class but last night he didn't do much at all. For him, he was indeed shite. They scored 2 goals and should have had at least one more from Costa's one-on-one. Not bad from a poor attacking performance, away from home. I wasn't that impressed with them offensively at all really and thought we were excellent defensively barring one lapse from a player I expect it from and then a situation that will happen when you make the wrong sub. Their defence won the game for them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 13:57:51 GMT
They scored 2 goals and should have had at least one more from Costa's one-on-one. Not bad from a poor attacking performance, away from home. I wasn't that impressed with them offensively at all really and thought we were excellent defensively barring one lapse from a player I expect it from and then a situation that will happen when you make the wrong sub. Their defence won the game for them. The one lapse you mention, was that when Costa waltzed through our defence as both our centre halves seemed to stop and stare at the official expecting an offside flag?
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Post by tazi on Dec 23, 2014 14:55:49 GMT
I wasn't that impressed with them offensively at all really and thought we were excellent defensively barring one lapse from a player I expect it from and then a situation that will happen when you make the wrong sub. Their defence won the game for them. The one lapse you mention, was that when Costa waltzed through our defence as both our centre halves seemed to stop and stare at the official expecting an offside flag? Pretty sure it was the one where Shawcrosss stepped forward in the hope of catching Costa offside when in all reality there wasn't an hope in hells chance of that. Poor defending from our captain there and I can only think that it was done in the hope that the linesman would have an absolute mare and put his flag up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 15:10:18 GMT
I wasn't that impressed with them offensively at all really and thought we were excellent defensively barring one lapse from a player I expect it from and then a situation that will happen when you make the wrong sub. Their defence won the game for them. The one lapse you mention, was that when Costa waltzed through our defence as both our centre halves seemed to stop and stare at the official expecting an offside flag? Nope the lapse where Cameron allowed Terry to score. You're so far in Egypt me owd!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 15:17:48 GMT
The one lapse you mention, was that when Costa waltzed through our defence as both our centre halves seemed to stop and stare at the official expecting an offside flag? Nope the lapse where Cameron allowed Terry to score. You're so far in Egypt me owd! You clearly stated "barring one lapse from a player I expect it from" - so basically you only acknowledge the mistakes made by the players you don't like and ignore any made by those that you do rate. Yep, I'm the one in denial mate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 15:19:44 GMT
Nope the lapse where Cameron allowed Terry to score. You're so far in Egypt me owd! You clearly stated "barring one lapse from a player I expect it from" - so basically you only acknowledge the mistakes made by the players you don't like and ignore any made by those that you do rate. Yep, I'm the one in denial mate. I haven't seen the Costa chance back to comment, at the time I thought he was yards offside.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 15:22:21 GMT
You clearly stated "barring one lapse from a player I expect it from" - so basically you only acknowledge the mistakes made by the players you don't like and ignore any made by those that you do rate. Yep, I'm the one in denial mate. I haven't seen the Costa chance back to comment, at the time I thought he was yards offside. And now you're going all Arsene Wenger on us!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 15:28:46 GMT
I haven't seen the Costa chance back to comment, at the time I thought he was yards offside. And now you're going all Arsene Wenger on us!! I saw it at the time and thought he was offside, I haven't seen it again, I can't really comment on the ins and outs of it can I really.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 15:34:06 GMT
Whether he was or wasn't offside is irrelevant really, there's that little rule of "playing to the whistle".
I don't think the best course of action was to freeze and watch him waltz through one-on-one.
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Post by tazi on Dec 23, 2014 15:37:38 GMT
If it's the chance where Costa was through one on one with Bego then he was a good yard onside and not only that it was dreadful defending from Ryan.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 15:55:29 GMT
Whether he was or wasn't offside is irrelevant really, there's that little rule of "playing to the whistle". I don't think the best course of action was to freeze and watch him waltz through one-on-one. I can't say I saw what happened after tbh, I was too busy calling the linesman a cunt.
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Post by stokefaninde on Dec 23, 2014 17:16:35 GMT
And now you're going all Arsene Wenger on us!! I saw it at the time and thought he was offside, I haven't seen it again, I can't really comment on the ins and outs of it can I really..... He was on.. Bards needs a rest. I was surpisingly impressed with his early season form, but something has changed. Geoff offers far more, but I still feel hebelongs in the middle, despite his poor showing yesterday.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 17:42:24 GMT
I saw it at the time and thought he was offside, I haven't seen it again, I can't really comment on the ins and outs of it can I really..... He was on.. Bards needs a rest. I was surpisingly impressed with his early season form, but something has changed. Geoff offers far more, but I still feel hebelongs in the middle, despite his poor showing yesterday. Barring he was on (I'll take your word for it) I disagree with all of that. I thought Cameron was good yesterday, his passing was shit but he played his part in keeping a very good Chelsea team very quiet.
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Post by slpmarc on Dec 23, 2014 17:55:12 GMT
Geoff is better than Bardsley at RB but gets caught to far up as he is still learning the role, but his tackling interceptions and forward attacking are far superior than Bardsley. Saying that Geoff is showing he is suited to the midfield role and is a decent competitor to Whelan for the DM role, both stifle and compete causing an irritation to the opponents forward movement which is major part of the game that goes unnoticed, you look at Chelsea's player doing exactly that (Matic) he single handedly helped Chelsea win last night stopping any stoke attacks and closing play down. Matic and before him Makelele were and are the reason why Chelsea win the league
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Dec 23, 2014 17:58:57 GMT
Geoff is better than Bardsley at RB but gets caught to far up as he is still learning the role, but his tackling interceptions and forward attacking are far superior than Bardsley. Saying that Geoff is showing he is suited to the midfield role and is a decent competitor to Whelan for the DM role, both stifle and compete causing an irritation to the opponents forward movement which is major part of the game that goes unnoticed, you look at Chelsea's player doing exactly that (Matic) he single handedly helped Chelsea win last night stopping any stoke attacks and closing play down. Matic and before him Makelele were and are the reason why Chelsea win the league I absolutely agree with all of that apart from the last line.
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 23, 2014 18:00:32 GMT
Bardsley for me without a doubt, time for Cameron to move on. Aside from his passing being a bit wayward, I'm not exactly sure what Cameron did wrong lasit night. He went up in a midfield battle against players like Fabregas (who despite our dislike is better than probably any of our midfielders) and gave a good battle until he was subbed. He won many of the 50/50 battles with their midfield which is a credit in itself. I only saw N'Zonzi put a single tackle in, albeit a very important one. I don't know where this culture of blame has come from but it's bordering on the sickening. If the players do read the Oatcake like Bojan's dad does, then no wonder half of them look shredded in confidence. Every game we have a fucking character assassination of someone. The question was Bardsley or Cameron. Bardsley is and wants to he a right back; Cameron himself has openly said he doesn't want to be a right back. He is therefore in competition with Sidwell and Whelan who are a better choice, Ireland who is equally average and Shenton who looks to be a prospect. Cameron had a poor game with a number of wayward passes and bad marking, he has recently had some decent games but imo his best role is the one he doesn't want. Therefore without it being a character assasination, I repeat the opinion I am perfectly entitled to hold, time for him to move on, If Bardsley, Whelan and Sidwell are all fit he won't get game time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 18:12:21 GMT
Geoff is better than Bardsley at RB but gets caught to far up as he is still learning the role, but his tackling interceptions and forward attacking are far superior than Bardsley. Saying that Geoff is showing he is suited to the midfield role and is a decent competitor to Whelan for the DM role, both stifle and compete causing an irritation to the opponents forward movement which is major part of the game that goes unnoticed, you look at Chelsea's player doing exactly that (Matic) he single handedly helped Chelsea win last night stopping any stoke attacks and closing play down. Matic and before him Makelele were and are the reason why Chelsea win the league Correct. Bayern reckons we only made one mistake all night though, and that was by Geoff. He's ignored the others.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 23, 2014 18:15:07 GMT
It isn't that Geoff gets caught out attacking at rb, it's that his positioning is dodgy and he's piss easy to get past.
Bardsley's having a dodgy spell but I still feel a lot more confident with him there, for all his faults, and I don't see what Geoff does better going forward either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 18:17:54 GMT
Geoff is better than Bardsley at RB but gets caught to far up as he is still learning the role, but his tackling interceptions and forward attacking are far superior than Bardsley. Saying that Geoff is showing he is suited to the midfield role and is a decent competitor to Whelan for the DM role, both stifle and compete causing an irritation to the opponents forward movement which is major part of the game that goes unnoticed, you look at Chelsea's player doing exactly that (Matic) he single handedly helped Chelsea win last night stopping any stoke attacks and closing play down. Matic and before him Makelele were and are the reason why Chelsea win the league Correct. Bayern reckons we only made one mistake all night though, and that was by Geoff. He's ignored the others. Geoff is like Wilson who is like your mate Collins, his mistakes get punished. They mean more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 18:22:12 GMT
Correct. Bayern reckons we only made one mistake all night though, and that was by Geoff. He's ignored the others. Geoff is like Wilson who is like your mate Collins, his mistakes get punished. They mean more. Have you watched the other mistakes yet? Or just Geoff's? If you have Arsene Wenger selective viewing then you'll never have the full picture mate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 18:24:37 GMT
Geoff is like Wilson who is like your mate Collins, his mistakes get punished. They mean more. Have you watched the other mistakes yet? Or just Geoff's? If you have Arsene Wenger selective viewing then you'll never have the full picture mate. I don't have Sky so can't watch it again unless there's a vine floating around.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 18:25:44 GMT
Of course.
It's quite obvious you have an agenda mate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 18:33:10 GMT
What's of course? Not everyone has Sky dear!
Oh no, not the a word. What is it here then? Because I have no idea.
If it's that we need a new right back and a DM then I do have an agenda.
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