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Post by bazzaboy666 on Dec 23, 2014 0:17:08 GMT
Ok Bardsley Is he better on the ball? No will he get more assists? No Will he get more goals? No Does he get caught out of position? Yes Has he been accountable for many goals this season ? Yes Should he have been sent off tonight? Probably Is he better than Cameron at right back ? No Is Whelan better than Cameron in centre midfield? Yes Wearepremierleague Youareonestupidcuntmate
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 0:18:54 GMT
Pieters was excellent today.
What was Arnie's pass accuracy? Because from watching the game it felt like Cameron and Arnie couldn't keep the ball to save their lives (it was just the areas they gave it away in) and Bardsley's passing wasn't that bad. Obviously the stats in this case don't lie but I do think some shit passes do mean more than others. Like Arnie losing it, then it led to the corner they scored from. We shouldn't have gave the ball away there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 0:21:14 GMT
Pieters was excellent today. What was Arnie's pass accuracy? Because from watching the game it felt like Cameron and Arnie couldn't keep the ball to save their lives (it was just the areas they gave it away in) and Bardsley's passing wasn't that bad. Obviously the stats in this case don't lie but I do think some shit passes do mean more than others. Like Arnie losing it, then it led to the corner they scored from. We shouldn't have gave the ball away there. Arnie was top with 91%. (If you discount Assaidi - made 5 out of 5).
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 23, 2014 0:21:55 GMT
Bardsley lost possession and was out of position just as much as Cameron in midfield tbh. Both were out classed today. But Bardsley going forward is woeful usually no matter the opposition. He's the new Wilko who can cross once a game. yes I agree with you for once - both were shit. Cameron was our worst player by some distance though. I know for some reason that you will take that personally as usual just because he plays for USA Why's that? I actually support the three lions as I'm English. But besides your uninformed snide remark, Bardsley was the worst between the two imo just because of his 65% passing and woeful attempts to go forward and lose possession (as was Cameron) for their counters all to often on the edge to Hazard. His being out of position versus a world class team thinking he can go forward lead to his angry challenge. For a "Solid" FB as we were sold by many on here he really hasn't been since his injury. He's had one great game and the rest well, unconvincing. Luckily Ryan and Muniesa cleaned up for him today.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 23, 2014 0:22:39 GMT
Pieters was excellent today. What was Arnie's pass accuracy? Because from watching the game it felt like Cameron and Arnie couldn't keep the ball to save their lives (it was just the areas they gave it away in) and Bardsley's passing wasn't that bad. Obviously the stats in this case don't lie but I do think some shit passes do mean more than others. Like Arnie losing it, then it led to the corner they scored from. We shouldn't have gave the ball away there. If in doubt, blame Geoff eh? Nobody was exceptionally poor today. They're a brilliant team, and they won because they have better players bayern. Geoff did a terrific job of defending the back four, unlike N'Zonzi who looked totally out of his depth from a defensive aspect. N'Zonzi's class showed through on the ball. Players like Lothar Matthaus, who are both terrific at attack and defence don't come around very often... and when they do, they probably don't come to Stoke
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 23, 2014 0:23:24 GMT
Killed us often by gifting the ball away with that fucking wank, airy fairy flick pass with the outside of his boot. He was fucking woeful and we improved DRAMATICALLY when Charlie replaced him. Pieters pass accuracy 88% Bardsley pass accuracy 65% Says it all. Pieters stayed at home and did well. Bardsley was caught in a spiders web of a midfield and got caught out all to often.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 23, 2014 0:24:00 GMT
Beardsley is regression on last season as the results and points are showing . Cameron every time or Wilson' at right back bardsley third choice for me how bad does he have to be before he is dropped .
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Post by metalhead on Dec 23, 2014 0:24:57 GMT
Beardsley is regression on last season as the results and points are showing . Cameron every time or Wilson' at right back bardsley third choice for me how bad does he have to be before he is dropped . Dunno... ask the blame Cameron team...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 0:27:35 GMT
Pieters was excellent today. What was Arnie's pass accuracy? Because from watching the game it felt like Cameron and Arnie couldn't keep the ball to save their lives (it was just the areas they gave it away in) and Bardsley's passing wasn't that bad. Obviously the stats in this case don't lie but I do think some shit passes do mean more than others. Like Arnie losing it, then it led to the corner they scored from. We shouldn't have gave the ball away there. If in doubt, blame Geoff eh? Nobody was exceptionally poor today. They're a brilliant team, and they won because they have better players bayern. Geoff did a terrific job of defending the back four, unlike N'Zonzi who looked totally out of his depth from a defensive aspect. N'Zonzi's class showed through on the ball. Players like Lothar Matthaus, who are both terrific at attack and defence don't come around very often... and when they do, they probably don't come to Stoke I think you need to read my posts me owd..... Geoff's passing was awful but I think subbing him cost us the chance of getting a result for the exact reason you've said (see the weakest link tonight thread pahahaha). And you've clearly missed the bit in this thread, "I thought the whole defensive unit was good (including Geoff" bit too......but not to worry. N'Zonzi was good I thought, he needs somebody beside him to defend, we know that, it's why bringing Adam on for Cameron was completely fucked up. Cameron was at fault for the first though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 0:28:58 GMT
Pieters was excellent today. What was Arnie's pass accuracy? Because from watching the game it felt like Cameron and Arnie couldn't keep the ball to save their lives (it was just the areas they gave it away in) and Bardsley's passing wasn't that bad. Obviously the stats in this case don't lie but I do think some shit passes do mean more than others. Like Arnie losing it, then it led to the corner they scored from. We shouldn't have gave the ball away there. Arnie was top with 91%. (If you discount Assaidi - made 5 out of 5). I'd have dragged that cunt off at half time today. I love him and have had the patience of a Saint with him but that first half from him was just dreadful.....including his passing.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 23, 2014 0:29:50 GMT
When Geoff was subbed I thouhht he shiuld have subbed Bardo and put Geoff at left back because of the yellow.
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 23, 2014 0:30:29 GMT
Beardsley is regression on last season as the results and points are showing . Cameron every time or Wilson' at right back bardsley third choice for me how bad does he have to be before he is dropped . Dunno... ask the blame Cameron team... I blame Cameron for shit marking in the box but in all honesty everyone seems able to score on us on a set piece this season no matter who is playing. I wonder why Sunderland was so willing to let Bardsley go. Oh wait I'm not now. He needs to be anchored to the back imho he's an old school fullback in a modern game. Just defend Bardsley, no runs or attempts to dribble on the edge in the prem and your crosses..... no more please. Why recall Wilko when we have Wilko 2.0 at RB every week. Thankfully Pieters and Muniesa are coming round'
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 23, 2014 0:30:45 GMT
To be honest both are poor at this level
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Post by metalhead on Dec 23, 2014 0:34:55 GMT
If in doubt, blame Geoff eh? Nobody was exceptionally poor today. They're a brilliant team, and they won because they have better players bayern. Geoff did a terrific job of defending the back four, unlike N'Zonzi who looked totally out of his depth from a defensive aspect. N'Zonzi's class showed through on the ball. Players like Lothar Matthaus, who are both terrific at attack and defence don't come around very often... and when they do, they probably don't come to Stoke I think you need to read my posts me owd..... Geoff's passing was awful but I think subbing him cost us the chance of getting a result for the exact reason you've said (see the weakest link tonight thread pahahaha). And you've clearly missed the bit in this thread, "I thought the whole defensive unit was good (including Geoff" bit too......but not to worry. N'Zonzi was good I thought, he needs somebody beside him to defend, we know that, it's why bringing Adam on for Cameron was completely fucked up. Cameron was at fault for the first though. Cameron was at fault the first goal. I can't argue with that assertion
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 0:36:09 GMT
I think you need to read my posts me owd..... Geoff's passing was awful but I think subbing him cost us the chance of getting a result for the exact reason you've said (see the weakest link tonight thread pahahaha). And you've clearly missed the bit in this thread, "I thought the whole defensive unit was good (including Geoff" bit too......but not to worry. N'Zonzi was good I thought, he needs somebody beside him to defend, we know that, it's why bringing Adam on for Cameron was completely fucked up. Cameron was at fault for the first though. Cameron was at fault the first goal. I can't argue with that assertion Sorry Bayern for going off on one because I hold an agen......no worries mate.
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 23, 2014 0:38:45 GMT
Pieters was excellent today. What was Arnie's pass accuracy? Because from watching the game it felt like Cameron and Arnie couldn't keep the ball to save their lives (it was just the areas they gave it away in) and Bardsley's passing wasn't that bad. Obviously the stats in this case don't lie but I do think some shit passes do mean more than others. Like Arnie losing it, then it led to the corner they scored from. We shouldn't have gave the ball away there. Muniesa was quite good too... 88 % passing, 4 tackles, 4 clearances and was like a baby shark hugging his host Captain Ryan!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 0:42:07 GMT
Pieters was excellent today. What was Arnie's pass accuracy? Because from watching the game it felt like Cameron and Arnie couldn't keep the ball to save their lives (it was just the areas they gave it away in) and Bardsley's passing wasn't that bad. Obviously the stats in this case don't lie but I do think some shit passes do mean more than others. Like Arnie losing it, then it led to the corner they scored from. We shouldn't have gave the ball away there. Muniesa was quite good too... 88 % passing, 4 tackles, 4 clearances and was like a baby shark hugging his host Captain Ryan! I thought Shawcross and Muniesa were both excellent. Like I said, I thought the whole defensive unit played well to be honest. We were undone by one of them nodding off and something that happens when you go chasing a game. Muni and Shawcross could be our long term partnership at the back, I hope it is!
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 23, 2014 0:45:09 GMT
Muniesa was quite good too... 88 % passing, 4 tackles, 4 clearances and was like a baby shark hugging his host Captain Ryan! I thought Shawcross and Muniesa were both excellent. Like I said, I thought the whole defensive unit played well to be honest. We were undone by one of them nodding off and something that happens when you go chasing a game. Muni and Shawcross could be our long term partnership at the back, I hope it is! Me too. Although, we still need a decent cover CB in imo as Huth is getting on and Wilson well. You know how I feel about him at CB week in week out. A cheaper younger upson of sorts who we can call up need be. Hoping Huth can be that but that whole injury mess has me thinking bad thoughts on the German's future here.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 23, 2014 0:46:24 GMT
This statistics thing can be a load of bollocks though Arnie had good stats but never hurt the opposition once
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Post by stokemanusa on Dec 23, 2014 0:58:41 GMT
This statistics thing can be a load of bollocks though Arnie had good stats but never hurt the opposition once Not when comparing, look at Pieters compared to Bardsley tonight. Twice as many touches and passes and possession as Bardsley... He didn't lose the ball trying to be cute down the line. Pieters pass accuracy 88% (42 total) Bardsley pass accuracy 65% (20 total) Pieters 2 crosses both accurate Bardsley 7 crosses 1 accurate Pieters 4 interceptions Bardsley 0 interceptions Pieters 4 Aerials won Bardsley 2 Aerials won Only Peter Crouch had a worse passing percentage to touches... which is just shocking. He was rightfully subbed. Bardsley was woeful in a lot of aspects but possession and passing tonight he was abysmal. Begovic had a 60% !
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 23, 2014 2:52:33 GMT
Bardsley is easily our best right back, anyone that says otherwise is either clueless or a mate of Tazi's.
I loved that crunching tackle on Matic, I've missed a bit of that since Wilko has been out of the team.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 23, 2014 3:10:26 GMT
Utter rubbish.
Edit, also why are we comparing a rb with a cm??????????
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Post by wuzza on Dec 23, 2014 4:00:44 GMT
Barnsley was no better or worse than he has been all season which is to say he was absolutely average. Cameron at least has some very good games mixed in with his average ones.
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Post by wembley4372 on Dec 23, 2014 7:34:57 GMT
Do the stats tell you how many of the passes were forward passes and how many of them then led to another successful pass?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 23, 2014 7:46:12 GMT
Killed us often by gifting the ball away with that fucking wank, airy fairy flick pass with the outside of his boot. He was fucking woeful and we improved DRAMATICALLY when Charlie replaced him. Pieters pass accuracy 88% Bardsley pass accuracy 65% As I've said they were both awful with Geoff giving the ball away in dangerous areas as well as failing to make simple passes. His tendency to run down blind alleys before attempting a ridiculous outside of the foot pass to no fucker was killing us. As mentioned Bardsley had a poor night as well in possession (thought he defended adequately though) but you're not really comparing pass completion stats between someone playing in central midfield and a bloke who the majority of passes he attempted were crosses? You can't be doing that and hope to make a comparison surely, mate?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 23, 2014 7:48:13 GMT
This statistics thing can be a load of bollocks though Arnie had good stats but never hurt the opposition once Not when comparing, look at Pieters compared to Bardsley tonight. Twice as many touches and passes and possession as Bardsley... He didn't lose the ball trying to be cute down the line. Pieters pass accuracy 88% (42 total) Bardsley pass accuracy 65% (20 total) Pieters 2 crosses both accurate Bardsley 7 crosses 1 accurate Pieters 4 interceptions Bardsley 0 interceptions Pieters 4 Aerials won Bardsley 2 Aerials won Only Peter Crouch had a worse passing percentage to touches... which is just shocking. He was rightfully subbed. Bardsley was woeful in a lot of aspects but possession and passing tonight he was abysmal. Begovic had a 60% ! But you've just proved the point. 7 of Bardsley's 20 passes were low percentage crosses into the box. He actually gave the ball away hardly at all when not crossing. Most wingers only manage 2 successful crosses in a game normally.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 7:50:26 GMT
Pieters pass accuracy 88% Bardsley pass accuracy 65% As I've said they were both awful with Geoff giving the ball away in dangerous areas as well as failing to make simple passes. His tendency to run down blind alleys before attempting a ridiculous outside of the foot pass to no fucker was killing us. As mentioned Bardsley had a poor night as well in possession (thought he defended adequately though) but you're not really comparing pass completion stats between someone playing in central midfield and a bloke who the majority of passes he attempted were crosses? You can't be doing that and hope to make a comparison surely, mate? I compared Pieters and Bardsley, both full backs. Pieters gave it away every 1 in 10. Bardsley every 1 in 3!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 7:51:52 GMT
As I've said they were both awful with Geoff giving the ball away in dangerous areas as well as failing to make simple passes. His tendency to run down blind alleys before attempting a ridiculous outside of the foot pass to no fucker was killing us. As mentioned Bardsley had a poor night as well in possession (thought he defended adequately though) but you're not really comparing pass completion stats between someone playing in central midfield and a bloke who the majority of passes he attempted were crosses? You can't be doing that and hope to make a comparison surely, mate? I compared Pieters and Bardsley, both full backs. Pieters gave it away every 1 in 10. Bardsley every 1 in 3! Also, crosses is a separate stat. Bardsley attempted 7 crosses - 1 accurate.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 23, 2014 7:53:21 GMT
I compared Pieters and Bardsley, both full backs. Pieters gave it away every 1 in 10. Bardsley every 1 in 3! Also, crosses is a separate stat. Bardsley attempted 7 crosses - 1 accurate. Which is perfectly acceptable. When Matty was in full flow for us he was averaging 2 successful crosses a game. Edit: Didn't you write a post saying Bardsley 65% Cameron 81%? I assumed you were comparing?
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 23, 2014 7:53:43 GMT
Unfortunately Bardsley was our only presence down the right, attacking and defending. I don't think we can afford a player that'll carry that whole side on his own.
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