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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 7:54:43 GMT
Also, crosses is a separate stat. Bardsley attempted 7 crosses - 1 accurate. Which is perfectly acceptable. When Matty was in full flow for us he was averaging 2 successful crosses a game. **..Nicely sidestepping the pass stats...**
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 7:56:01 GMT
Also, crosses is a separate stat. Bardsley attempted 7 crosses - 1 accurate. Which is perfectly acceptable. When Matty was in full flow for us he was averaging 2 successful crosses a game. Edit: Didn't you write a post saying Bardsley 65% Cameron 81%? I assumed you were comparing? I did initially but then made the direct comparison with Pieters to make it fair. Pieters outperformed him in every department.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 23, 2014 7:57:17 GMT
Which is perfectly acceptable. When Matty was in full flow for us he was averaging 2 successful crosses a game. **..Nicely sidestepping the pass stats...** Not at all. Bardsley attempted 7 crosses which accounts for over a third of his pass stats. You can't really suggest that a cross is the same as a 5 yard pass surely?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 7:59:34 GMT
**..Nicely sidestepping the pass stats...** Not at all. Bardsley attempted 7 crosses which accounts for over a third of his pass stats. You can't really suggest that a cross is the same as a 5 yard pass surely? They are separate statistics mate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 8:01:52 GMT
For comparison, Pieters attempted 2 crosses with 100% accuracy.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 23, 2014 8:03:21 GMT
Not at all. Bardsley attempted 7 crosses which accounts for over a third of his pass stats. You can't really suggest that a cross is the same as a 5 yard pass surely? They are separate statistics mate. You sure? Surely pass completion stats include crosses? When did a cross stop being a pass?
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Post by Kjones9 on Dec 23, 2014 8:03:28 GMT
Unfair comparison. Peiters had Arnie hugging the touchline and always had an outlet, Bardsley didn't.
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Post by pedro23 on Dec 23, 2014 8:12:53 GMT
Cameron is not a natural full back, Bardsley was brought in because he was. What I can't decide is if there has been any improvement
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Post by 2004 on Dec 23, 2014 9:01:26 GMT
Bardsley for me if he stops diving in.
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 23, 2014 9:09:13 GMT
Bardsley for me without a doubt, time for Cameron to move on.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 23, 2014 10:07:45 GMT
Cameron was at fault the first goal. I can't argue with that assertion Sorry Bayern for going off on one because I hold an agen......no worries mate. Sorry Bayern for going off on....... fuck youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu In all seriousness though, we lost because they were a better team and while blaming players is something the Oatcake is seemingly becoming great for, I just don't see it as necessary. They're a far better Chelsea than last year, no shame in losing to a World Class team. We lost with dignity.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 23, 2014 10:12:20 GMT
Bardsley for me without a doubt, time for Cameron to move on. Aside from his passing being a bit wayward, I'm not exactly sure what Cameron did wrong last night. He went up in a midfield battle against players like Fabregas (who despite our dislike is better than probably any of our midfielders) and gave a good battle until he was subbed. He won many of the 50/50 battles with their midfield which is a credit in itself. I only saw N'Zonzi put a single tackle in, albeit a very important one. I don't know where this culture of blame has come from but it's bordering on the sickening. If the players do read the Oatcake like Bojan's dad does, then no wonder half of them look shredded in confidence. Every game we have a fucking character assassination of someone.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 23, 2014 11:07:39 GMT
Geoff had a Geoff game. Some nice touches and good runs here and there offset by some dreadful decisions and losing his man.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 23, 2014 11:12:05 GMT
Bardsley for me if he stops diving in. He wont though. He is a full on type of player. Always has been, ask any Sunderland supporter. Always can be banked on to be the quickest to 5 yellows
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 11:13:52 GMT
Geoff had a Geoff game. Some nice touches and good runs here and there offset by some dreadful decisions and losing his man. Conversely Bardsley had a Bardsley game. Poor distribution and a shockingly rash lunge of a challenge which was very lucky not to leave us with 10 men and a mountain to climb (for the reason of trying to win a ball that had already gone out for a throw).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 11:15:51 GMT
Bardsley for me if he stops diving in. He wont though. He is a full on type of player. Always has been, ask any Sunderland supporter. Always can be banked on to be the quickest to 5 yellows He does at least one a game normally.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 23, 2014 11:17:04 GMT
He wont though. He is a full on type of player. Always has been, ask any Sunderland supporter. Always can be banked on to be the quickest to 5 yellows He does at least one a game normally. Yep and we knew what we were buying so there can be no complaints
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 23, 2014 11:18:50 GMT
Geoff had a Geoff game. Some nice touches and good runs here and there offset by some dreadful decisions and losing his man. Conversely Bardsley had a Bardsley game. Poor distribution and a shockingly rash lunge of a challenge which was very lucky not to leave us with 10 men and a mountain to climb (for the reason of trying to win a ball that had already gone out for a throw). I still don't see it as a red. He got booked after wiping someone out like many players do. I honestly think a red would have been harsh and even Jason Cundy agreed and he's a Chelsea fan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 11:26:30 GMT
Conversely Bardsley had a Bardsley game. Poor distribution and a shockingly rash lunge of a challenge which was very lucky not to leave us with 10 men and a mountain to climb (for the reason of trying to win a ball that had already gone out for a throw). I still don't see it as a red. He got booked after wiping someone out like many players do. I honestly think a red would have been harsh and even Jason Cundy agreed and he's a Chelsea fan. Agreed, it would've been harsh. We've seen them given though, haven't we? Bardsley shouldn't be given the ref a decision to make and an opportunity to reduce us to 10 men in an already nigh on impossible task. The ball had already gone out of play for Christ's sake. Completely unnecessary.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 23, 2014 11:29:54 GMT
I still don't see it as a red. He got booked after wiping someone out like many players do. I honestly think a red would have been harsh and even Jason Cundy agreed and he's a Chelsea fan. Agreed, it would've been harsh. We've seen them given though, haven't we? Bardsley shouldn't be given the ref a decision to make and an opportunity to reduce us to 10 men in an already nigh on impossible task. The ball had already gone out of play for Christ's sake. Completely unnecessary. It depends on your point of view, Tom. I like players letting a tricky winger know they are there like Bardsley did. From that point on Hazard didn't do much at all so for me it was job done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 11:33:37 GMT
Agreed, it would've been harsh. We've seen them given though, haven't we? Bardsley shouldn't be given the ref a decision to make and an opportunity to reduce us to 10 men in an already nigh on impossible task. The ball had already gone out of play for Christ's sake. Completely unnecessary. It depends on your point of view, Tom. I like players letting a tricky winger know they are there like Bardsley did. From that point on Hazard didn't do much at all so for me it was job done. I'm sorry but that's bollocks. Hazard caused us problems all game (which is understandable. He's world class, no blame with Phil for that). It was a completely unnecessary challenge which on another day leaves us in the shit. The reckless lunge is becoming va staple of his performance.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 23, 2014 11:35:44 GMT
It depends on your point of view, Tom. I like players letting a tricky winger know they are there like Bardsley did. From that point on Hazard didn't do much at all so for me it was job done. I'm sorry but that's bollocks. Hazard caused us problems all game (which is understandable. He's world class, no blame with Phil for that). It was a completely unnecessary challenge which on another day leaves us in the shit. The reckless lunge is becoming va staple of his performance. I don't think Hazard played that well at all (not by his standards).
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 23, 2014 11:39:17 GMT
Geoff had a Geoff game. Some nice touches and good runs here and there offset by some dreadful decisions and losing his man. Conversely Bardsley had a Bardsley game. Poor distribution and a shockingly rash lunge of a challenge which was very lucky not to leave us with 10 men and a mountain to climb (for the reason of trying to win a ball that had already gone out for a throw). Bardsley was all over the place, and not in a good way.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 23, 2014 11:55:42 GMT
Wilko used to get slaughtered on here because of his rash challenges. Bardsley is no different in that department. I don't think you can get a fag paper between them as far as ability is concerned. Cameron is a better attacking full back than either of them. Unfortunately, Geoff tends to leave holes behind him when he goes forward and isn't quick enough to recover. He's also a player who blows hot and cold. Sometimes he can be excellent and other times he can be shit. I see him as a utility player, but I still don't know which is his best position. He's a strange one that's for sure.
Bardsley has yet to convince me that he's stable enough for that right back spot. I'm surprised he hasn't already had a couple of reds this season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 12:02:10 GMT
Sorry Bayern for going off on one because I hold an agen......no worries mate. Sorry Bayern for going off on....... fuck youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu In all seriousness though, we lost because they were a better team and while blaming players is something the Oatcake is seemingly becoming great for, I just don't see it as necessary. They're a far better Chelsea than last year, no shame in losing to a World Class team. We lost with dignity. I don't think they were that much better. Defensively they were excellent but Hazard was kept quiet and Costa did naff all. Willian might as well not have played either. That's the only frustrating thing from the game for me, one lapse of concentration put us on the back foot from the off. But that's football, that's what class teams do.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 23, 2014 12:02:56 GMT
What did Hazard actually do? Fuck all for me.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 23, 2014 12:12:02 GMT
Looking at how heavily Bardsley was limping as he left the ground last night, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's out for Boxing day (which presumably would mean GC back at right back and Whelan restored)
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Dec 23, 2014 12:17:01 GMT
I think for a freebie Bardsley is alright. He's not spectacular by any means but is he any worse than Pieters on the other flank? How ace would it be to have Ivanovic playing RB for us - best full back in the league imo
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Post by wearepremierleague on Dec 23, 2014 12:57:40 GMT
What did Hazard actually do? Fuck all for me. You mean apart from setting up the second goal
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 13:11:55 GMT
What did Hazard actually do? Fuck all for me. Assist for the second goal. Glided past our players at ease quite a few times too and put us on the back foot. He is freightening with the ball at his feet, he travels at such speed! As for Costa, Shawcross beat him almost every time in the air. He did have a couple of chances to score mind. Including that gilt edged one-on-one first half.
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