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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 25, 2014 10:06:53 GMT
We've beaten both Newcastle and Swansea at home.
Touche! :-)
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Post by mcf on Nov 25, 2014 10:12:50 GMT
Terrific job?. He's doing ok but when are we going look like winning at home?. We've already won at home and will do so again. If we played the Leicester and Burnley games in the same manner 10 times we'd win 9 of them. To a lesser extent, that is true of the villa game though they really did contain us. Leicester and Burnley won and survived the onslaught with a large dose of good fortune. Burnley in particular must have blocked 6 on target efforts and the ball fell to them every time. It wiill come together and while we might not beat last seasons efforts we will once again go close to 50 points and a top 10 finish. Agreed, they are the games that we would have won by a distance at the end of last year.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 25, 2014 10:18:10 GMT
Think the Wet Sham game was excellent (beside the result) and second half Southampton in the cup. Two decent teams were on the rack and we should have killed them off, but hey this is Stoke, what else do we expect? I'm just disappointed and couldn't fathom out why we look so disjointed in defence by looking as though we're going to concede from every opportunity that the opposition have. It's even happened in matches where we could and perhaps should have gone two behind had it not been for either point blank saves from Bego or shockingly poor finishing. We just look at sixes and sevens. It isn't difficult to work out why we looked so disjointed on Saturday. We had a bloke at centre half who cant play centre half and 2 full backs who have been nursing groin injuries all season. We then had a captain trying to do the job of all 4 of them. Our defending is shit. Its a worry how we keep gifting goals to limited opposition and soon I'm pretty sure we'll take a good thumping. That said, it id easy to understand why we were all at sea in the early stages of Saturdays game. It says it all that you can't understand it really.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 25, 2014 10:19:53 GMT
We've already won at home and will do so again. If we played the Leicester and Burnley games in the same manner 10 times we'd win 9 of them. To a lesser extent, that is true of the villa game though they really did contain us. Leicester and Burnley won and survived the onslaught with a large dose of good fortune. Burnley in particular must have blocked 6 on target efforts and the ball fell to them every time. It wiill come together and while we might not beat last seasons efforts we will once again go close to 50 points and a top 10 finish. Agreed, they are the games that we would have won by a distance at the end of last year. We are missing the creativity and exuberance of Arnie and odemwingie massively this season, particularly at home.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 25, 2014 10:29:15 GMT
I'm excusing Hughes because, despite all the cards being stacked against him, he's doing a terrific job. The previous manager had EVERYTHING in his favour but still failed to produce results as good as the current boss.
The previous manager hardly had everything in his favour. He brought a Championship squad into the Premier League. It's nearly impossible to attract decent quality players when everybody thinks "you're going to do a Derby". It is inevitable that a manger building from that base is going to need to spend money, whoever he is. However he did it, he presided over one of the most successful periods of continuous improvement in our club's long history.
Mark Hughes is doing an excellent job too. It's not a new problem for any team to struggle to break down a well organised defence. Burnley set up for a 0-0 with the hope they might nick something. We helped their cause by gifting them 2 chances. You're always going to be up against it in those circumstances. Well played Burnley. Defended heroically and have a proper poacher /finisher in Danny Ings. Right place, right time and confident.
But Mark Hughes inherited a competitive Premier League squad, and has done everything he can to address the long standing problem of breaking teams down at home. He's added pace and quality in attack, all on a fairly tight budget (although these kind of players will be on big wages). We look a really dangerous counter attacking side away from home. Some of the football we played after Christmas last year was outstanding.
Both are good managers for Stoke City doing different jobs at different times in different circumstances. That should be easy to recognise and easy to say for most Stoke City supporters, but it seems like we have to take sides on The Oatcake.
I'm really looking forward to the next 3 games. We've got a great chance against a below par Liverpool, and if we can stand up against Manchester United's attacking threat, we should go into that game with confidence. Neither of them can defend against pace. Arsenal will come and play open. I hope its a physical game, we get stuck in and play a high tempo. If we don't give them time, we always do well against them. 7 points from the next 3 too ambitious?
Fair points matey.
It just grinds with me that expectation that was systematically kept lower than a snakes belly under one manager has suddenly gone sky high under another, coinciding with Bet365 stopping large(ish) transfers. This season we've been very very unlucky with injuries, whereas in the past we have been for the large part free of them, especially at the back.
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Post by mcf on Nov 25, 2014 10:40:25 GMT
The previous manager hardly had everything in his favour. He brought a Championship squad into the Premier League. It's nearly impossible to attract decent quality players when everybody thinks "you're going to do a Derby". It is inevitable that a manger building from that base is going to need to spend money, whoever he is. However he did it, he presided over one of the most successful periods of continuous improvement in our club's long history.
Mark Hughes is doing an excellent job too. It's not a new problem for any team to struggle to break down a well organised defence. Burnley set up for a 0-0 with the hope they might nick something. We helped their cause by gifting them 2 chances. You're always going to be up against it in those circumstances. Well played Burnley. Defended heroically and have a proper poacher /finisher in Danny Ings. Right place, right time and confident.
But Mark Hughes inherited a competitive Premier League squad, and has done everything he can to address the long standing problem of breaking teams down at home. He's added pace and quality in attack, all on a fairly tight budget (although these kind of players will be on big wages). We look a really dangerous counter attacking side away from home. Some of the football we played after Christmas last year was outstanding.
Both are good managers for Stoke City doing different jobs at different times in different circumstances. That should be easy to recognise and easy to say for most Stoke City supporters, but it seems like we have to take sides on The Oatcake.
I'm really looking forward to the next 3 games. We've got a great chance against a below par Liverpool, and if we can stand up against Manchester United's attacking threat, we should go into that game with confidence. Neither of them can defend against pace. Arsenal will come and play open. I hope its a physical game, we get stuck in and play a high tempo. If we don't give them time, we always do well against them. 7 points from the next 3 too ambitious?
Fair points matey.
It just grinds with me that expectation that was systematically kept lower than a snakes belly under one manager has suddenly gone sky high under another, coinciding with Bet365 stopping large(ish) transfers. This season we've been very very unlucky with injuries, whereas in the past we have been for the large part free of them, especially at the back.
Equally, 'we' could argue that some of 'you' have suddenly a list of excuses as long as your arm for Hughes that you never afforded Pulis.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 25, 2014 10:47:49 GMT
Fair points matey.
It just grinds with me that expectation that was systematically kept lower than a snakes belly under one manager has suddenly gone sky high under another, coinciding with Bet365 stopping large(ish) transfers. This season we've been very very unlucky with injuries, whereas in the past we have been for the large part free of them, especially at the back.
Equally, 'we' could argue that some of 'you' have suddenly a list of excuses as long as your arm for Hughes that you never afforded Pulis.
Excuses for what? Being middle of the table, getting better results, finishing higher?
Tell me what you expect.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 25, 2014 10:51:24 GMT
Fair points matey.
It just grinds with me that expectation that was systematically kept lower than a snakes belly under one manager has suddenly gone sky high under another, coinciding with Bet365 stopping large(ish) transfers. This season we've been very very unlucky with injuries, whereas in the past we have been for the large part free of them, especially at the back.
Equally, 'we' could argue that some of 'you' have suddenly a list of excuses as long as your arm for Hughes that you never afforded Pulis. At risk of going down yet another TP based discussion, I'd be interested to know what excuses you think could have been afforded to Pulis for the abject shit he served up as football during his final 2 seasons in charge. Prior to that is irreleveant because all bar the absolute mentalists could see and acknowledge what a fine job he had done up to that point, regardless of any frustrations they may have had.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 25, 2014 11:06:10 GMT
The previous manager hardly had everything in his favour. He brought a Championship squad into the Premier League. It's nearly impossible to attract decent quality players when everybody thinks "you're going to do a Derby". It is inevitable that a manger building from that base is going to need to spend money, whoever he is. However he did it, he presided over one of the most successful periods of continuous improvement in our club's long history.
Mark Hughes is doing an excellent job too. It's not a new problem for any team to struggle to break down a well organised defence. Burnley set up for a 0-0 with the hope they might nick something. We helped their cause by gifting them 2 chances. You're always going to be up against it in those circumstances. Well played Burnley. Defended heroically and have a proper poacher /finisher in Danny Ings. Right place, right time and confident.
But Mark Hughes inherited a competitive Premier League squad, and has done everything he can to address the long standing problem of breaking teams down at home. He's added pace and quality in attack, all on a fairly tight budget (although these kind of players will be on big wages). We look a really dangerous counter attacking side away from home. Some of the football we played after Christmas last year was outstanding.
Both are good managers for Stoke City doing different jobs at different times in different circumstances. That should be easy to recognise and easy to say for most Stoke City supporters, but it seems like we have to take sides on The Oatcake.
I'm really looking forward to the next 3 games. We've got a great chance against a below par Liverpool, and if we can stand up against Manchester United's attacking threat, we should go into that game with confidence. Neither of them can defend against pace. Arsenal will come and play open. I hope its a physical game, we get stuck in and play a high tempo. If we don't give them time, we always do well against them. 7 points from the next 3 too ambitious?
Fair points matey.
It just grinds with me that expectation that was systematically kept lower than a snakes belly under one manager has suddenly gone sky high under another, coinciding with Bet365 stopping large(ish) transfers. This season we've been very very unlucky with injuries, whereas in the past we have been for the large part free of them, especially at the back.
Well hopefully expectations for most are reasonable. Hughes worked wonders last season, but both managers have had times when they had their squad punching above its weight. We ain't going to do much better than 7th to 10th if we keep performing to our very best consistently. The disparity in wages and budgets at the top clubs is incredible. I agree that the injury to Wingie particularly has blunted us, especially it seems at home.
Confidence is massive. We've got good players and a good squad. What is disappointing is that there is a real opportunity this year, as Southampton and to a degree, Newcastle are showing. They're not much better than us, but they aren't making costly defensive errors and they're converting a higher percentage of chances.
The league is poor again, and some of the big clubs are under performing badly.
Come May, we could be thinking what might have been if we hadn't thrown away so many points early in the season.
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Post by Gods on Nov 25, 2014 11:18:04 GMT
We don't score any more goals, 13 in 12 games this season so 1 per game, just a bit less than the average under Pulis. I know many people find it better to watch. Although personally I have no problem with a defender who knows the fastest way to Row Z. Over 12 games? Have you got them stats? 'stats' is probably over stating what I presented. I simply looked at the league table and we have scored 13 times in 12 games. '1 per game' was an estimate, it is actually 1.08 per game if I am to give our attacking efforts there full due. From memory we did a bit better than that most of the time under Pulis, not much mind, our attacking efforts were pretty dire under him too, but certainly no worse.
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Post by tazi on Nov 25, 2014 12:19:26 GMT
I'm just disappointed and couldn't fathom out why we look so disjointed in defence by looking as though we're going to concede from every opportunity that the opposition have. It's even happened in matches where we could and perhaps should have gone two behind had it not been for either point blank saves from Bego or shockingly poor finishing. We just look at sixes and sevens. It isn't difficult to work out why we looked so disjointed on Saturday. We had a bloke at centre half who cant play centre half and 2 full backs who have been nursing groin injuries all season. We then had a captain trying to do the job of all 4 of them. Our defending is shit. Its a worry how we keep gifting goals to limited opposition and soon I'm pretty sure we'll take a good thumping. That said, it id easy to understand why we were all at sea in the early stages of Saturdays game. It says it all that you can't understand it really. I can't really be arsed rip this to shreds.
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Post by RAF on Nov 25, 2014 12:24:05 GMT
It isn't difficult to work out why we looked so disjointed on Saturday. We had a bloke at centre half who cant play centre half and 2 full backs who have been nursing groin injuries all season. We then had a captain trying to do the job of all 4 of them. Our defending is shit. Its a worry how we keep gifting goals to limited opposition and soon I'm pretty sure we'll take a good thumping. That said, it id easy to understand why we were all at sea in the early stages of Saturdays game. It says it all that you can't understand it really. I can't really be arsed rip this to shreds. You can't because you haven't got a fucking clue. Just keep saying 'Same as I say' followed by more jibbering arse gravy about players knowing each other 18 months. Clueless to the point of hilarious. H
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Post by tazi on Nov 25, 2014 12:33:26 GMT
I can't really be arsed rip this to shreds. You can't because you haven't got a fucking clue. Just keep saying 'Same as I say' followed by more jibbering arse gravy about players knowing each other 18 months. Clueless to the point of hilarious. H Oh here comes his fcuk buddy. First of all johnno says we had a player who can't play central defence.....let's not kid ourselves as to who didn't replace Huth and also who tell me who Hughes played in that position v burnley. Secondly johnno says our fullbacks have been struggling with groin injuries all season...,,Remind me again who if they're as injured as johnno makes out who let Wilko go?. As for defenders not defending put the fcuking ball into row z and don't overplay it when there is no need to. So you see RAF it's a pretty good start to shredding that bollocks apart. So after 18 months you still blab on as though they're just a bunch of strangers who need games together, you'll be telling me next that they don't practice together because there is no need because there won't be disruptions along the way..,,You fuck nugget.
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Post by RAF on Nov 25, 2014 12:43:19 GMT
You can't because you haven't got a fucking clue. Just keep saying 'Same as I say' followed by more jibbering arse gravy about players knowing each other 18 months. Clueless to the point of hilarious. H Oh here comes his fcuk buddy. First of all johnno says we had a player who can't play central defence.....let's not kid ourselves as to who didn't replace Huth and also who tell me who Hughes played in that position v burnley. Secondly johnno says our fullbacks have been struggling with groin injuries all season...,,Remind me again who if they're as injured as johnno makes out who let Wilko go?. As for defenders not defending put the fcuking ball into row z and don't overplay it when there is no need to. So you see RAF it's a pretty good start to shredding that bollocks apart. So after 18 months you still blab on as though they're just a bunch of strangers who need games together, you'll be telling me next that they don't practice together because there is no need because there won't be disruptions along the way..,,You fuck nugget. Absolutely fucking clueless after youve had it spelt out to you countless times, no one its denying who is to blame just the circumstances, its fairly typical of someone who struggled to get in the rounders team even when the fat asthmatic kid was off sick. No fucking idea H
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Post by tazi on Nov 25, 2014 12:44:45 GMT
Oh here comes his fcuk buddy. First of all johnno says we had a player who can't play central defence.....let's not kid ourselves as to who didn't replace Huth and also who tell me who Hughes played in that position v burnley. Secondly johnno says our fullbacks have been struggling with groin injuries all season...,,Remind me again who if they're as injured as johnno makes out who let Wilko go?. As for defenders not defending put the fcuking ball into row z and don't overplay it when there is no need to. So you see RAF it's a pretty good start to shredding that bollocks apart. So after 18 months you still blab on as though they're just a bunch of strangers who need games together, you'll be telling me next that they don't practice together because there is no need because there won't be disruptions along the way..,,You fuck nugget. Absolutely fucking clueless after youve had it spelt out to you countless times, no one its denying who is to blame just the circumstances, its fairly typical of someone who struggled to get in the rounders team even when the fat asthmatic kid was off sick. No fucking idea H A typical fuck nuggets response. You ain't got a clue you fcuking turd.
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Post by Davef on Nov 25, 2014 12:47:00 GMT
Any chance of calming it down a bit?
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Post by metalhead on Nov 25, 2014 12:50:39 GMT
I'm just disappointed and couldn't fathom out why we look so disjointed in defence by looking as though we're going to concede from every opportunity that the opposition have. It's even happened in matches where we could and perhaps should have gone two behind had it not been for either point blank saves from Bego or shockingly poor finishing. We just look at sixes and sevens. It isn't difficult to work out why we looked so disjointed on Saturday. We had a bloke at centre half who cant play centre half and 2 full backs who have been nursing groin injuries all season. We then had a captain trying to do the job of all 4 of them. Our defending is shit. Its a worry how we keep gifting goals to limited opposition and soon I'm pretty sure we'll take a good thumping. That said, it id easy to understand why we were all at sea in the early stages of Saturdays game. It says it all that you can't understand it really. This is an embarrassing post Dave and you know I normally like what you have to say. It's utter bollocks from start to finish. We had a bloke at centre half who was not at fault for EITHER of the goals. Fact. One full back who was injured and another who simply had a bad game. We had a captain who was also caught when the second went in. Our defending is shit, but our attacking is significantly worse. We conceded two awful goals and then looked comfortable for the rest of the game defensively. It is not Geoff Cameron's fault that we aren't scoring goals... or is it? I'm sure someone can blame him. It's not any of the defenders fault that we're missing chance after chance against teams leaking goals like fucking Burnley. The fact is somewhere down the line, we need to look at why we're having 15 corners a fucking game yet never seem to look like scoring from then. We need to look at why we're missing golden opportunities. Nobody has even mentioned the fact N'Zonzi missed an absolutely vital chance in the second half. Is N'Zonzi exempt from criticism just because he's everybody's favourite player? While I'll say it now, for me, that miss changed the game. We had dominated and if N'Zonzi scores that, we go onto win. From then on, we looked desperate. So yes, come get me those who can't have anything said against their hero!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 25, 2014 12:51:51 GMT
You can't because you haven't got a fucking clue. Just keep saying 'Same as I say' followed by more jibbering arse gravy about players knowing each other 18 months. Clueless to the point of hilarious. H Oh here comes his fcuk buddy. First of all johnno says we had a player who can't play central defence.....let's not kid ourselves as to who didn't replace Huth and also who tell me who Hughes played in that position v burnley. Secondly johnno says our fullbacks have been struggling with groin injuries all season...,,Remind me again who if they're as injured as johnno makes out who let Wilko go?. As for defenders not defending put the fcuking ball into row z and don't overplay it when there is no need to. So you see RAF it's a pretty good start to shredding that bollocks apart. So after 18 months you still blab on as though they're just a bunch of strangers who need games together, you'll be telling me next that they don't practice together because there is no need because there won't be disruptions along the way..,,You fuck nugget. You've ripped apart yourself because having said you can't fathom out why we were all at sea, you now claim to know why we were so shit...its all Hughes fault. As for ripping me apart, you've failed miserably. I've said previously that it is/was a mistake not to have signed a replacement centre half for Huth and I also said that I wouldn't have let Wilko go out on loan given that at the time, Cameron, Bardsley, Muniesa and Huth were all seemingly struggling with some kind of persistent injury. Given the build up to the Burnley game it was fairly obvious that we would go into the game with concerns about a) how our back 4 would look and b) how that back 4 would perform. There was a 3 page thread on the very subject on Friday.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 25, 2014 12:54:30 GMT
It isn't difficult to work out why we looked so disjointed on Saturday. We had a bloke at centre half who cant play centre half and 2 full backs who have been nursing groin injuries all season. We then had a captain trying to do the job of all 4 of them. Our defending is shit. Its a worry how we keep gifting goals to limited opposition and soon I'm pretty sure we'll take a good thumping. That said, it id easy to understand why we were all at sea in the early stages of Saturdays game. It says it all that you can't understand it really. This is an embarrassing post Dave and you know I normally like what you have to say. It's utter bollocks from start to finish. We had a bloke at centre half who was not at fault for EITHER of the goals. Fact. One full back who was injured and another who simply had a bad game. We had a captain who was also caught when the second went in. Our defending is shit, but our attacking is significantly worse. We conceded two awful goals and then looked comfortable for the rest of the game defensively. It is not Geoff Cameron's fault that we aren't scoring goals... or is it? I'm sure someone can blame him. It's not any of the defenders fault that we're missing chance after chance against teams leaking goals like fucking Burnley. The fact is somewhere down the line, we need to look at why we're having 15 corners a fucking game yet never seem to look like scoring from then. We need to look at why we're missing golden opportunities. Nobody has even mentioned the fact N'Zonzi missed an absolutely vital chance in the second half. Is N'Zonzi exempt from criticism just because he's everybody's favourite player? While I'll say it now, for me, that miss changed the game. We had dominated and if N'Zonzi scores that, we go onto win. From then on, we looked desperate. So yes, come get me those who can't have anything said against their hero!
The N'Zonzi 'miss' was a game changer in a way and he should of at least got it on target. The fact is the chance was made harder by the ball played by Walters - a chipped ball that bounced 10 yards before N'Zonzi off a greasy pitch. If Walters had played the ball along the ground - he could of done - then the chance was a lot easier.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 25, 2014 12:56:32 GMT
This is an embarrassing post Dave and you know I normally like what you have to say. It's utter bollocks from start to finish. We had a bloke at centre half who was not at fault for EITHER of the goals. Fact. One full back who was injured and another who simply had a bad game. We had a captain who was also caught when the second went in. Our defending is shit, but our attacking is significantly worse. We conceded two awful goals and then looked comfortable for the rest of the game defensively. It is not Geoff Cameron's fault that we aren't scoring goals... or is it? I'm sure someone can blame him. It's not any of the defenders fault that we're missing chance after chance against teams leaking goals like fucking Burnley. The fact is somewhere down the line, we need to look at why we're having 15 corners a fucking game yet never seem to look like scoring from then. We need to look at why we're missing golden opportunities. Nobody has even mentioned the fact N'Zonzi missed an absolutely vital chance in the second half. Is N'Zonzi exempt from criticism just because he's everybody's favourite player? While I'll say it now, for me, that miss changed the game. We had dominated and if N'Zonzi scores that, we go onto win. From then on, we looked desperate. So yes, come get me those who can't have anything said against their hero!
The N'Zonzi 'miss' was a game changer in a way and he should of at least got it on target. The fact is the chance was made harder by the ball played by Walters - a chipped ball that bounced 10 yards before N'Zonzi off a greasy pitch. If Walters had played the ball along the ground - he could of done - then the chance was a lot easier.
Even so, to miss so badly was a sickening moment. He hits the target, he probably scores. We win. Simple. He missed that game and the whole atmosphere changed. It went from "come on we can turn this round to", "come on lets get a point" and then we turned to desperation. We looked desperate by the end.
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Post by tazi on Nov 25, 2014 12:56:57 GMT
It isn't difficult to work out why we looked so disjointed on Saturday. We had a bloke at centre half who cant play centre half and 2 full backs who have been nursing groin injuries all season. We then had a captain trying to do the job of all 4 of them. Our defending is shit. Its a worry how we keep gifting goals to limited opposition and soon I'm pretty sure we'll take a good thumping. That said, it id easy to understand why we were all at sea in the early stages of Saturdays game. It says it all that you can't understand it really. This is an embarrassing post Dave and you know I normally like what you have to say. It's utter bollocks from start to finish. We had a bloke at centre half who was not at fault for EITHER of the goals. Fact. One full back who was injured and another who simply had a bad game. We had a captain who was also caught when the second went in. Our defending is shit, but our attacking is significantly worse. We conceded two awful goals and then looked comfortable for the rest of the game defensively. It is not Geoff Cameron's fault that we aren't scoring goals... or is it? I'm sure someone can blame him. It's not any of the defenders fault that we're missing chance after chance against teams leaking goals like fucking Burnley. The fact is somewhere down the line, we need to look at why we're having 15 corners a fucking game yet never seem to look like scoring from then. We need to look at why we're missing golden opportunities. Nobody has even mentioned the fact N'Zonzi missed an absolutely vital chance in the second half. Is N'Zonzi exempt from criticism just because he's everybody's favourite player? While I'll say it now, for me, that miss changed the game. We had dominated and if N'Zonzi scores that, we go onto win. From then on, we looked desperate. So yes, come get me those who can't have anything said against their hero! He has his opinion and fails to see where anyone is coming from when they have their opinions too. It's the same with that fcuk buddy RAF of his.
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Post by RAF on Nov 25, 2014 12:57:17 GMT
Absolutely fucking clueless after youve had it spelt out to you countless times, no one its denying who is to blame just the circumstances, its fairly typical of someone who struggled to get in the rounders team even when the fat asthmatic kid was off sick. No fucking idea H A typical fuck nuggets response. You ain't got a clue you fcuking turd. Dribble dribble, same as I say, dribble dribble 18 months dribble dribble nugget dribble dribble I'm a whale omelette driiiiiibbbbbbllleee H
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 25, 2014 12:58:37 GMT
It isn't difficult to work out why we looked so disjointed on Saturday. We had a bloke at centre half who cant play centre half and 2 full backs who have been nursing groin injuries all season. We then had a captain trying to do the job of all 4 of them. Our defending is shit. Its a worry how we keep gifting goals to limited opposition and soon I'm pretty sure we'll take a good thumping. That said, it id easy to understand why we were all at sea in the early stages of Saturdays game. It says it all that you can't understand it really. This is an embarrassing post Dave and you know I normally like what you have to say. It's utter bollocks from start to finish. We had a bloke at centre half who was not at fault for EITHER of the goals. Fact. One full back who was injured and another who simply had a bad game. We had a captain who was also caught when the second went in. Our defending is shit, but our attacking is significantly worse. We conceded two awful goals and then looked comfortable for the rest of the game defensively. It is not Geoff Cameron's fault that we aren't scoring goals... or is it? I'm sure someone can blame him. It's not any of the defenders fault that we're missing chance after chance against teams leaking goals like fucking Burnley. The fact is somewhere down the line, we need to look at why we're having 15 corners a fucking game yet never seem to look like scoring from then. We need to look at why we're missing golden opportunities. Nobody has even mentioned the fact N'Zonzi missed an absolutely vital chance in the second half. Is N'Zonzi exempt from criticism just because he's everybody's favourite player? While I'll say it now, for me, that miss changed the game. We had dominated and if N'Zonzi scores that, we go onto win. From then on, we looked desperate. So yes, come get me those who can't have anything said against their hero! Its embarrassing because there is implied criticism of Cameron. He wasn't at fault for the goals as you say but the whole back 4 was unbalanced and a big part of that is/was Cameron who just isn't a centre half. Its not his fault. He was asked to do a job in difficult circumstances and he did it to the best of his ability. A defence that came under little or no pressure at all in 90 minutes conceded twice against a team who generally need to be drawn a map to see where the net is. That says there was something wrong with the "unit". I've given valid reasons as to why that unit struggled. Whose fault that is, is a different matter entirely.
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Post by werrington on Nov 25, 2014 12:59:01 GMT
This is an embarrassing post Dave and you know I normally like what you have to say. It's utter bollocks from start to finish. We had a bloke at centre half who was not at fault for EITHER of the goals. Fact. One full back who was injured and another who simply had a bad game. We had a captain who was also caught when the second went in. Our defending is shit, but our attacking is significantly worse. We conceded two awful goals and then looked comfortable for the rest of the game defensively. It is not Geoff Cameron's fault that we aren't scoring goals... or is it? I'm sure someone can blame him. It's not any of the defenders fault that we're missing chance after chance against teams leaking goals like fucking Burnley. The fact is somewhere down the line, we need to look at why we're having 15 corners a fucking game yet never seem to look like scoring from then. We need to look at why we're missing golden opportunities. Nobody has even mentioned the fact N'Zonzi missed an absolutely vital chance in the second half. Is N'Zonzi exempt from criticism just because he's everybody's favourite player? While I'll say it now, for me, that miss changed the game. We had dominated and if N'Zonzi scores that, we go onto win. From then on, we looked desperate. So yes, come get me those who can't have anything said against their hero! He has his opinion and fails to see where anyone is coming from when they have their opinions too. It's the same with that fcuk buddy RAF of his. That 1st paragraph mate Wow just fucking wow.......the irony
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Post by tazi on Nov 25, 2014 13:00:41 GMT
Oh here comes his fcuk buddy. First of all johnno says we had a player who can't play central defence.....let's not kid ourselves as to who didn't replace Huth and also who tell me who Hughes played in that position v burnley. Secondly johnno says our fullbacks have been struggling with groin injuries all season...,,Remind me again who if they're as injured as johnno makes out who let Wilko go?. As for defenders not defending put the fcuking ball into row z and don't overplay it when there is no need to. So you see RAF it's a pretty good start to shredding that bollocks apart. So after 18 months you still blab on as though they're just a bunch of strangers who need games together, you'll be telling me next that they don't practice together because there is no need because there won't be disruptions along the way..,,You fuck nugget. You've ripped apart yourself because having said you can't fathom out why we were all at sea, you now claim to know why we were so shit...its all Hughes fault. As for ripping me apart, you've failed miserably. I've said previously that it is/was a mistake not to have signed a replacement centre half for Huth and I also said that I wouldn't have let Wilko go out on loan given that at the time, Cameron, Bardsley, Muniesa and Huth were all seemingly struggling with some kind of persistent injury. Given the build up to the Burnley game it was fairly obvious that we would go into the game with concerns about a) how our back 4 would look and b) how that back 4 would perform. There was a 3 page thread on the very subject on Friday. I can't fathom out why we're all at sea because we shouldn't be all at sea because they're not just been thrown together at the drop of a hat and THAT is why I suggested something else is not right. Jee, surely you ain't as thick as that fcuk buddy of yours.
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Post by tazi on Nov 25, 2014 13:00:54 GMT
A typical fuck nuggets response. You ain't got a clue you fcuking turd. Dribble dribble, same as I say, dribble dribble 18 months dribble dribble nugget dribble dribble I'm a whale omelette driiiiiibbbbbbllleee H Nice constructive response. Well achieved.
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Post by werrington on Nov 25, 2014 13:02:18 GMT
You've ripped apart yourself because having said you can't fathom out why we were all at sea, you now claim to know why we were so shit...its all Hughes fault. As for ripping me apart, you've failed miserably. I've said previously that it is/was a mistake not to have signed a replacement centre half for Huth and I also said that I wouldn't have let Wilko go out on loan given that at the time, Cameron, Bardsley, Muniesa and Huth were all seemingly struggling with some kind of persistent injury. Given the build up to the Burnley game it was fairly obvious that we would go into the game with concerns about a) how our back 4 would look and b) how that back 4 would perform. There was a 3 page thread on the very subject on Friday. I can't fathom out why we're all at sea because we shouldn't be all at sea because they're not just been thrown together at the drop of a hat and THAT is why I suggested something else is not right. Jee, surely you ain't as thick as that fcuk buddy of yours. Alright alright I'll say it That last season under you know who we were all at sea from December onwards but I never saw none of this bollocks mate ?
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Post by tazi on Nov 25, 2014 13:04:16 GMT
He has his opinion and fails to see where anyone is coming from when they have their opinions too. It's the same with that fcuk buddy RAF of his. That 1st paragraph mate Wow just fucking wow.......the irony Sums yourself up too. Anyway what minute was it Ryan took that.,,,well you know the rest. Fcuking hideous defending of a gaffer you keep sticking up for. It'll make ya bad wezzer make ya bad.
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Post by werrington on Nov 25, 2014 13:06:15 GMT
That 1st paragraph mate Wow just fucking wow.......the irony Sums yourself up too. Anyway what minute was it Ryan took that.,,,well you know the rest. Fcuking hideous defending of a gaffer you keep sticking up for. It'll make ya bad wezzer make ya bad. Jesus wept you clinging onto a basic comment and won't let go .....7 mins 1 min who cares FFS You are turning into a one trick pony Taz
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 25, 2014 13:07:25 GMT
That 1st paragraph mate Wow just fucking wow.......the irony Sums yourself up too. Anyway what minute was it Ryan took that.,,,well you know the rest. Fcuking hideous defending of a gaffer you keep sticking up for. It'll make ya bad wezzer make ya bad. Why shouldn't Ryan take a corner? On the evidence of Saturday and Sunderland, he crosses the ball better than most of our players anyway and he never looks like scoring himself so why not?
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