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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 13:16:43 GMT
. We don't pass it round FROM the back we pass it round AT the back. So how does it get forward then ? If it doesn't get lost it gets hoofed.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 13:18:34 GMT
Steady on you Hughes Rimmer....I've never seen you make such excuses for a manager before. What is the 'stop start nature' you talk about? Players being away...injuries...expectations..... fucking hell....I've read it all from you now. 'We are 11th FFS.....' Oh the irony. Quality PS I agree with you overall.
I'm excusing Hughes because, despite all the cards being stacked against him, he's doing a terrific job. The previous manager had EVERYTHING in his favour but still failed to produce results as good as the current boss.
Terrific job?. He's doing ok but when are we going look like winning at home?.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 24, 2014 13:21:16 GMT
So how does it get forward then ? If it doesn't get lost it gets hoofed.
Launching it down the channels playing for throw in's = playing through the pitch, direct football Occasionally playing a long ball to feet, chest or head = hoofing it
Do you fucking realise how moronic your comments are?
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 24, 2014 13:22:53 GMT
I'm excusing Hughes because, despite all the cards being stacked against him, he's doing a terrific job. The previous manager had EVERYTHING in his favour but still failed to produce results as good as the current boss.
Terrific job?. He's doing ok but when are we going look like winning at home?.
When we're beating the top five and six?
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 13:23:59 GMT
Terrific job?. He's doing ok but when are we going look like winning at home?.
When we're beating the top five and six?
When was this?.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 13:24:47 GMT
If it doesn't get lost it gets hoofed.
Launching it down the channels playing for throw in's = playing through the pitch, direct football Occasionally playing a long ball to feet, chest or head = hoofing it
Do you fucking realise how moronic your comments are?
Whatever we're doing it's working a treat.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 24, 2014 13:25:35 GMT
When we're beating the top five and six?
When was this?.
We've beaten both Newcastle and Swansea at home.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 13:25:55 GMT
I'm excusing Hughes because, despite all the cards being stacked against him, he's doing a terrific job. The previous manager had EVERYTHING in his favour but still failed to produce results as good as the current boss.
The goalposts have now been moved mate Indeed they have mate, indeed they have.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 13:27:34 GMT
We've beaten both Newcastle and Swansea at home.
Oh yes so we have. Thank goodness for that as that'll mask over the other turgid stuff on offer at home.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Nov 24, 2014 13:28:17 GMT
if a striker makes a mistake we just dont score a goal, if a defender makes a mistake we invariabley concede a goal. I would suggest that our strikers made many more mistakes than our defenders at the weekend. Maybe we are blaming the wrong end of the pitch! No, we need to start keeping clean sheets again, life gets so much simpler as a result. Two of the softest 'handed on a plate' goals you will see this season.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Nov 24, 2014 13:31:44 GMT
We've beaten both Newcastle and Swansea at home.
Oh yes so we have. Thank goodness for that as that'll mask over the other turgid stuff on offer at home. Think the Wet Sham game was excellent (beside the result) and second half Southampton in the cup. Two decent teams were on the rack and we should have killed them off, but hey this is Stoke, what else do we expect?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 24, 2014 13:34:06 GMT
The goalposts have now been moved mate Indeed they have mate, indeed they have. They have. If that shambolic corner disaster had happened under a previous incumbent, there would have been a 20 page thread about the pure incompetence of it all and how it is a clear sign he's lost the dressing room.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 13:38:15 GMT
Oh yes so we have. Thank goodness for that as that'll mask over the other turgid stuff on offer at home. Think the Wet Sham game was excellent (beside the result) and second half Southampton in the cup. Two decent teams were on the rack and we should have killed them off, but hey this is Stoke, what else do we expect? I'm just disappointed and couldn't fathom out why we look so disjointed in defence by looking as though we're going to concede from every opportunity that the opposition have. It's even happened in matches where we could and perhaps should have gone two behind had it not been for either point blank saves from Bego or shockingly poor finishing. We just look at sixes and sevens.
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Post by Gods on Nov 24, 2014 13:39:24 GMT
This is the way we play now and so we are bound to concede goals on the break or from 'pissing about with it at the back' There wasn't a single player that didn't do their job though from what I can tell. They did what the manager wants them to do. Sometimes it comes off and sometimes it doesn't. This is what you all wanted though - percentage football and predictability out of the window to be replaced with 'attacking' football. Enjoy the ride.
I enjoy it more than percentage football because it's better to watch most of the time, we score more goals, it's more exciting and , MOST IMPORTANTLY it brings better results as proved last season.
Carry on making shit up, it obviously makes you and your ilk feel a lot better.
We don't score any more goals, 13 in 12 games this season so 1 per game, just a bit less than the average under Pulis. I know many people find it better to watch. Although personally I have no problem with a defender who knows the fastest way to Row Z.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 13:44:13 GMT
Indeed they have mate, indeed they have. They have. If that shambolic corner disaster had happened under a previous incumbent, there would have been a 20 page thread about the pure incompetence of it all and how it is a clear sign he's lost the dressing room. Exactly which is what I text and remind werrington off quite regularly but he just sees me as a wankstain. That pretty novel, wouldn't you say. And for werrington to excuse the corner that Shawcross took as merely that time was knocking 'there was some 7 or 8 minutes plus injury time left' on was really a piss poor of an excuse whereas had that have happened under TP he'd have been having an anfuckinggina attack on here. Still, I've told him that continuing to defend the indefensible will make him poorly in the end. Edit - He made it sound as though we were in the final seconds of injury time FFS.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Nov 24, 2014 14:15:09 GMT
Think the Wet Sham game was excellent (beside the result) and second half Southampton in the cup. Two decent teams were on the rack and we should have killed them off, but hey this is Stoke, what else do we expect? I'm just disappointed and couldn't fathom out why we look so disjointed in defence by looking as though we're going to concede from every opportunity that the opposition have. It's even happened in matches where we could and perhaps should have gone two behind had it not been for either point blank saves from Bego or shockingly poor finishing. We just look at sixes and sevens. Agreed. Even found myself saying 'I wish Higgy and Wilko were playing'. Wilko would have killed Kightly off in the first 20 mins. The first sign of a decent full bloodied challenge from Wilko and the little hamster would have scurried down the nearest available bolt hole.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 14:19:45 GMT
I'm just disappointed and couldn't fathom out why we look so disjointed in defence by looking as though we're going to concede from every opportunity that the opposition have. It's even happened in matches where we could and perhaps should have gone two behind had it not been for either point blank saves from Bego or shockingly poor finishing. We just look at sixes and sevens. Agreed. Even found myself saying 'I wish Higgy and Wilko were playing'. Wilko would have killed Kightly off in the first 20 mins. The first sign of a decent full bloodied challenge from Wilko and the little hamster would have scurried down the nearest available bolt hole. Correct.
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Post by smudger46 on Nov 24, 2014 14:58:04 GMT
The first goal, from what I saw, was a result of a run of individual errors - Muniesa should have been more composed under pressure, Bardsley and Bego should have communicated. I think you've got to blame the chopping and changing of the back four that we've been forced into - at times it was clear Shawcross was getting wound up with their lack of shape. That being said, we had 25 goal attempts. 25. If we can't stick at least an equaliser away with that many then that's really very poor. I've got to agree with previous posters - whilst you can't excuse conceding cheap goals, it's our inability to punish at the other end that's the biggest problem. 25 attempts and how many on target, as you say the attacking end of the pitch has been wanting for more than this season alone
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 15:03:32 GMT
The first goal, from what I saw, was a result of a run of individual errors - Muniesa should have been more composed under pressure, Bardsley and Bego should have communicated. I think you've got to blame the chopping and changing of the back four that we've been forced into - at times it was clear Shawcross was getting wound up with their lack of shape. That being said, we had 25 goal attempts. 25. If we can't stick at least an equaliser away with that many then that's really very poor. I've got to agree with previous posters - whilst you can't excuse conceding cheap goals, it's our inability to punish at the other end that's the biggest problem. Simple solution. We just need Nigel Johnson up top.
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Post by hanibal7 on Nov 25, 2014 3:35:03 GMT
Just been reading some of the negative posts about how shit we are at conceding goals now. I suggest you lot look at the stats, andi aINT TELLING YOU, GET OFF YE FAT ARSES AND READ,then fcome back and say sorry
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 4:39:42 GMT
Just been reading some of the negative posts about how shit we are at conceding goals now. I suggest you lot look at the stats, andi aINT TELLING YOU, GET OFF YE FAT ARSES AND READ,then fcome back and say sorry The only stat that counts is the scoreline at the end of the match.think everybody is disappointed as they expect us to beat teams like burnley.but we have been supporting scfc for too long to expect any diffrent.we had a poor spell in the first half and paid dearly for it, I like muni but to pass to an opposition player like that was crinimal and the second was defending from the keystone cops academy. we are woefully short of cover at the back, and the fact we did not have a defender on the bench tells its own story, signing robs replacement in january is a priority. the one positive I can find is another superb goal from sjw another one on saturday please john.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 6:34:03 GMT
Indeed they have mate, indeed they have. They have. If that shambolic corner disaster had happened under a previous incumbent, there would have been a 20 page thread about the pure incompetence of it all and how it is a clear sign he's lost the dressing room. That would just be pent-up frustration though, at the previous 12-months-worth of uberwank that we had been served up.
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 25, 2014 9:24:39 GMT
I enjoy it more than percentage football because it's better to watch most of the time, we score more goals, it's more exciting and , MOST IMPORTANTLY it brings better results as proved last season.
Carry on making shit up, it obviously makes you and your ilk feel a lot better.
We don't score any more goals, 13 in 12 games this season so 1 per game, just a bit less than the average under Pulis. I know many people find it better to watch. Although personally I have no problem with a defender who knows the fastest way to Row Z. Over 12 games? Have you got them stats?
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Post by mcf on Nov 25, 2014 9:33:36 GMT
We don't score any more goals, 13 in 12 games this season so 1 per game, just a bit less than the average under Pulis. I know many people find it better to watch. Although personally I have no problem with a defender who knows the fastest way to Row Z. Over 12 games? Have you got them stats? try the fucking league tables
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 25, 2014 9:37:03 GMT
Over 12 games? Have you got them stats? try the fucking league tables What the goals scored after 12 games league table? Oh of course I forgot about that.
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Post by geoff321 on Nov 25, 2014 9:43:01 GMT
Surely Stoke don't have a defensive problem, at the moment the problem is in attack.
F. A.
Chelsea 30 11 M. City 24 13 W. Ham 20 16 Everton 22 19 Palace 17 21
Stoke 13 15
If you look at the past record of Mark Hughes he has never managed teams that concede many goals, his record also shows plenty of drawn games, so I disagree with the OP that the style of play means we are conceding more goals.
In the games against Villa, Leicester, West Ham, QPR and Hull, it was more about not converting our chances rather than poor defensive play.
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 25, 2014 9:48:37 GMT
Or is it yet another case of the same core of individuals making stuff up to keep the poison dripping?
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Post by mcf on Nov 25, 2014 9:51:27 GMT
Surely Stoke don't have a defensive problem, at the moment the problem is in attack. F. A. Chelsea 30 11 M. City 24 13 W. Ham 20 16 Everton 22 19 Palace 17 21 Stoke 13 15 If you look at the past record of Mark Hughes he has never managed teams that concede many goals, his record also shows plenty of drawn games, so I disagree with the OP that the style of play means we are conceding more goals. In the games against Villa, Leicester, West Ham, QPR and Hull, it was more about not converting our chances rather than poor defensive play. It's the manner in which we are conceding rather than the amount - though conceding 2 goals at home on a regular basis won't do us any favours. The timing is also an issue. We are giving goals away at home first which then allows a team to get bodies behind the ball.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 25, 2014 10:00:55 GMT
I'm excusing Hughes because, despite all the cards being stacked against him, he's doing a terrific job. The previous manager had EVERYTHING in his favour but still failed to produce results as good as the current boss.
Terrific job?. He's doing ok but when are we going look like winning at home?. We've already won at home and will do so again. If we played the Leicester and Burnley games in the same manner 10 times we'd win 9 of them. To a lesser extent, that is true of the villa game though they really did contain us. Leicester and Burnley won and survived the onslaught with a large dose of good fortune. Burnley in particular must have blocked 6 on target efforts and the ball fell to them every time. It wiill come together and while we might not beat last seasons efforts we will once again go close to 50 points and a top 10 finish.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 25, 2014 10:02:21 GMT
Steady on you Hughes Rimmer....I've never seen you make such excuses for a manager before. What is the 'stop start nature' you talk about? Players being away...injuries...expectations..... fucking hell....I've read it all from you now. 'We are 11th FFS.....' Oh the irony. Quality PS I agree with you overall.
I'm excusing Hughes because, despite all the cards being stacked against him, he's doing a terrific job. The previous manager had EVERYTHING in his favour but still failed to produce results as good as the current boss.
The previous manager hardly had everything in his favour. He brought a Championship squad into the Premier League. It's nearly impossible to attract decent quality players when everybody thinks "you're going to do a Derby". It is inevitable that a manger building from that base is going to need to spend money, whoever he is. However he did it, he presided over one of the most successful periods of continuous improvement in our club's long history.
Mark Hughes is doing an excellent job too. It's not a new problem for any team to struggle to break down a well organised defence. Burnley set up for a 0-0 with the hope they might nick something. We helped their cause by gifting them 2 chances. You're always going to be up against it in those circumstances. Well played Burnley. Defended heroically and have a proper poacher /finisher in Danny Ings. Right place, right time and confident.
But Mark Hughes inherited a competitive Premier League squad, and has done everything he can to address the long standing problem of breaking teams down at home. He's added pace and quality in attack, all on a fairly tight budget (although these kind of players will be on big wages). We look a really dangerous counter attacking side away from home. Some of the football we played after Christmas last year was outstanding.
Both are good managers for Stoke City doing different jobs at different times in different circumstances. That should be easy to recognise and easy to say for most Stoke City supporters, but it seems like we have to take sides on The Oatcake.
I'm really looking forward to the next 3 games. We've got a great chance against a below par Liverpool, and if we can stand up against Manchester United's attacking threat, we should go into that game with confidence. Neither of them can defend against pace. Arsenal will come and play open. I hope its a physical game, we get stuck in and play a high tempo. If we don't give them time, we always do well against them. 7 points from the next 3 too ambitious?
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