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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 7, 2014 11:36:00 GMT
The scorecard is pretty much a worse case for the England selectors. Taylor and Morgan getting runs should mean they keep their place. The only candidate for dropping is Cook - just what they didn't want.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 11:51:37 GMT
Superb. Morgan's batting seems to improve when he's captain as well, Stokes is a worry I like his aggression but his batting/bowling figures since his Aussie century in all formats has been woeful... We'll see if we've got enough runs presently but this innings does present a real selection head ache for the selectors. Taylor deserves to keep his place after that knock, Morgan has shown why he is vital for ODIs. Who now to leave out for Cook - Hayles? Taylor played really well, I'm pleased for him that he has grasped his opportunity , Morgan also played well for the first time in months , well done to him .......problem solved with the batting no doubt ?.......I knew the absence of Cook would solve it
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 7, 2014 11:54:55 GMT
We'll see if we've got enough runs presently but this innings does present a real selection head ache for the selectors. Taylor deserves to keep his place after that knock, Morgan has shown why he is vital for ODIs. Who now to leave out for Cook - Hayles? Taylor played really well, I'm pleased for him that he has grasped his opportunity , Morgan also played well for the first time in months , well done to him .......problem solved with the batting no doubt ?.......I knew the absence of Cook would solve it The batting in essence looks pretty good. They just need to sort out the tempo and pick the right line-up. The bowling on the other hand just looks ordinary at best.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 12:16:46 GMT
Taylor played really well, I'm pleased for him that he has grasped his opportunity , Morgan also played well for the first time in months , well done to him .......problem solved with the batting no doubt ?.......I knew the absence of Cook would solve it The batting in essence looks pretty good. They just need to sort out the tempo and pick the right line-up. The bowling on the other hand just looks ordinary at best. Your point concerning the batting has always been the case mate .....the tempo of the innings being the case in point The bowling in the absence of Anderson and Broad is a concern .
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 7, 2014 12:23:47 GMT
The batting in essence looks pretty good. They just need to sort out the tempo and pick the right line-up. The bowling on the other hand just looks ordinary at best. Your point concerning the batting has always been the case mate .....the tempo of the innings being the case in point The bowling in the absence of Anderson and Broad is a concern . I'm not absolutely convinced about Broad and Anderson's bowling in ODIs either! You just hope that the conditions at the WC will be a little more favourable to our seamers than these wickets. We need to get the young 'uns set the tempo for the batting instinctively more than relying on some grand master plan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 14:26:11 GMT
Your point concerning the batting has always been the case mate .....the tempo of the innings being the case in point The bowling in the absence of Anderson and Broad is a concern . I'm not absolutely convinced about Broad and Anderson's bowling in ODIs either! You just hope that the conditions at the WC will be a little more favourable to our seamers than these wickets. We need to get the young 'uns set the tempo for the batting instinctively more than relying on some grand master plan. We shall see mate , I hope we see an improvement in the World Cup , I'm not sure we will , neither am I yet convinced that Cooks absence from the side will result in any great chage of fortune in our batting ....I still do not see us regularly posting totals of 300 + which is what is required these days to win games , this remains to be seen however ...I will be happy as an England follower to be proved wrong .
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 7, 2014 16:46:51 GMT
Ali, Hales,Taylor, Root,Bopara are the ones for me in Aust.they now need to find six more for our starting 11.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 7, 2014 17:45:46 GMT
Ali, Hales,Taylor, Root,Bopara are the ones for me in Aust.they now need to find six more for our starting 11. Surely also Butler as keeper Which means you are looking for one batsman, from Cook, Bell and Morgan, and four front line bowlers three of whom we know (fitness permitting) are Anderson, Broad and Finn leaving a bowling all rounder spot open for Woakes, Stokes and Jordan. I'd go for Morgan at #5 and Woakes at #8. Sorted!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 18:39:27 GMT
Ali, Hales,Taylor, Root,Bopara are the ones for me in Aust.they now need to find six more for our starting 11. Surely also Butler as keeper Which means you are looking for one batsman, from Cook, Bell and Morgan, and four front line bowlers three of whom we know (fitness permitting) are Anderson, Broad and Finn leaving a bowling all rounder spot open for Woakes, Stokes and Jordan. I'd go for Morgan at #5 and Woakes at #8. Sorted! Yes ......who said selection was difficult ?
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Post by 2004 on Dec 7, 2014 22:34:33 GMT
Has Morgan been banned for slow over rate?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 22:47:11 GMT
Has Morgan been banned for slow over rate? No you have to be guilty of a slow over rate twice in a twelve month period
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Post by 2004 on Dec 7, 2014 22:50:23 GMT
Has Morgan been banned for slow over rate? No you have to be guilty of a slow over rate twice in a twelve month period Ok thanks. Just saw a title to a story but didn't click on the link earlier today.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 9, 2014 15:21:09 GMT
So, as predicted, it's Hayles who makes way for Cook ( link) for the 5th ODI. Even though it's no surprise, I'm still disappointed. The young guys are paying the price for the selectors' intransigence and Cook's vanity. So Mr Cook - when you go out to bat tomorrow, bat like an ODI opening bat. You've done nothing to date to justify your place in the side. Tomorrow is you chance. Score big, and score fast. Otherwise, just go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 15:43:37 GMT
So, as predicted, it's Hayles who makes way for Cook ( link) for the 5th ODI. Even though it's no surprise, I'm still disappointed. The young guys are paying the price for the selectors' intransigence and Cook's vanity. So Mr Cook - when you go out to bat tomorrow, bat like an ODI opening bat. You've done nothing to date to justify your place in the side. Tomorrow is you chance. Score big, and score fast. Otherwise, just go. But you know this won't happen , at least not until the World Cup has finished ......even if Cook was to score a fast hundred tomorrow the knives would out after the following game if he failed again .
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 9, 2014 15:53:34 GMT
So, as predicted, it's Hayles who makes way for Cook ( link) for the 5th ODI. Even though it's no surprise, I'm still disappointed. The young guys are paying the price for the selectors' intransigence and Cook's vanity. So Mr Cook - when you go out to bat tomorrow, bat like an ODI opening bat. You've done nothing to date to justify your place in the side. Tomorrow is you chance. Score big, and score fast. Otherwise, just go. But you know this won't happen , at least not until the World Cup has finished ......even if Cook was to score a fast hundred tomorrow the knives would out after the following game if he failed again . I think a convincing knock would take a lot of pressure off him. By convincing I mean batting like all top order ODI players now bat; aggressive from the off, going over the infield, coming down the pitch and across his crease to create scoring opportunities. Drives and cuts along the ground into a packed off side field and tucks off your hip to long leg and deep mid wicket is not the approach these days to opening an ODI innings. It is, if course, exactly what us needed for tests though - which is his forte. If he can't do this, he is rightly going to get stick. It's up to him. He is, of course, getting the chance denied to Hayles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 16:35:45 GMT
But you know this won't happen , at least not until the World Cup has finished ......even if Cook was to score a fast hundred tomorrow the knives would out after the following game if he failed again . I think a convincing knock would take a lot of pressure off him. By convincing I mean batting like all top order ODI players now bat; aggressive from the off, going over the infield, coming down the pitch and across his crease to create scoring opportunities. Drives and cuts along the ground into a packed off side field and tucks off your hip to long leg and deep mid wicket is not the approach these days to opening an ODI innings. It is, if course, exactly what us needed for tests though - which is his forte. If he can't do this, he is rightly going to get stick. It's up to him. He is, of course, getting the chance denied to Hayles. There is no way that Cook will play in that way ala Moeen Ali ......it is just not in the make up of his game I'm afraid , he may be able to improvise to a certain extent , but he is never going to bat with the sort of gay abandon you mention . I have a regard for Hales and I do feel sympathy for him that he's not playing tomorrow , he has played in the last two games and not been able to make a score to further his cause in the way Taylor did the other day, which is unfortunate for him ....he may still get a chance shortly who knows ? ,but if not his day will surely come before long.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 10, 2014 11:23:33 GMT
Just a few points.
1.If the selectors say Cook has to play, Hales in my opinion has to play also, so either Hales ,Ali or Cook have to drop down the order, so who do we leave out?
2.To stop the opposition getting big scores, we have to bowl them out, how often do we bowl a side out though?
3.Power plays, why do we have them, if a Captain wants to have all his players in or outside the circle, then that's up to him surely?
4.Yorkers, why the hell don't we bowl enough of them?
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 10, 2014 11:47:12 GMT
England, so far, have done well with the ball. Took early wickets then kept the pressure on. Should keep Sri Lanka to less than 250.
That's the sort of run chase you would imagine would suit Cook. No need to go hell for leather from the off; what's needed is keeping wickets intact and steady accumulation of runs.
One other thing, Sangakara is awesome!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 12:32:44 GMT
England, so far, have done well with the ball. Took early wickets then kept the pressure on. Should keep Sri Lanka to less than 250. That's the sort of run chase you would imagine would suit Cook. No need to go hell for leather from the off; what's needed is keeping wickets intact and steady accumulation of runs. One other thing, Sangakara is awesome! I agree about Sangakara a magnificent player . We've done well today 240 is well within reason . Woakes bowled well today with a six for .....if only we could bowl a better line , we have bowled an awful lot of wides so far in this series , it's not good enough at this level .
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 10, 2014 12:37:34 GMT
Bowled Woakes lad.
This is the sort of score we need to start knocking off really.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 10, 2014 12:41:58 GMT
Looks like a monsoon's hit.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 10, 2014 12:51:48 GMT
England, so far, have done well with the ball. Took early wickets then kept the pressure on. Should keep Sri Lanka to less than 250. That's the sort of run chase you would imagine would suit Cook. No need to go hell for leather from the off; what's needed is keeping wickets intact and steady accumulation of runs. One other thing, Sangakara is awesome! I agree about Sangakara a magnificent player . We've done well today 240 is well within reason . Woakes bowled well today with a six for .....if only we could bowl a better line , we have bowled an awful lot of wides so far in this series , it's not good enough at this level . I think sometimes wicket counts can be quite misleading - Woakes, for instance, got lucky today. Players got out against him as they chased quick runs. More worrying, as you say, was the number of wides bowled. Both he and Jordan seemed to lose control in those final overs. Pick of the bowlers; Treadwell. His problem is doing it Australia. I get the feeling the selectors think, for the WC, a combination of Ali and Root will provide spin with Bopara also giving a slower option, meaning the 4 bowlers at spot 8 - 11 will all be quicks two of which will be all rounders probably Woakes and Jordan. I don't think that is a good approach. Pick your best bowlers!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 13:59:37 GMT
I agree about Sangakara a magnificent player . We've done well today 240 is well within reason . Woakes bowled well today with a six for .....if only we could bowl a better line , we have bowled an awful lot of wides so far in this series , it's not good enough at this level . I think sometimes wicket counts can be quite misleading - Woakes, for instance, got lucky today. Players got out against him as they chased quick runs. More worrying, as you say, was the number of wides bowled. Both he and Jordan seemed to lose control in those final overs. Pick of the bowlers; Treadwell. His problem is doing it Australia. I get the feeling the selectors think, for the WC, a combination of Ali and Root will provide spin with Bopara also giving a slower option, meaning the 4 bowlers at spot 8 - 11 will all be quicks two of which will be all rounders probably Woakes and Jordan. I don't think that is a good approach. Pick your best bowlers! Yes , pretty much my thoughts as well.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 10, 2014 15:09:55 GMT
I think sometimes wicket counts can be quite misleading - Woakes, for instance, got lucky today. Players got out against him as they chased quick runs. More worrying, as you say, was the number of wides bowled. Both he and Jordan seemed to lose control in those final overs. Pick of the bowlers; Treadwell. His problem is doing it Australia. I get the feeling the selectors think, for the WC, a combination of Ali and Root will provide spin with Bopara also giving a slower option, meaning the 4 bowlers at spot 8 - 11 will all be quicks two of which will be all rounders probably Woakes and Jordan. I don't think that is a good approach. Pick your best bowlers! Yes , pretty much my thoughts as well. I think they'll go for Broad, Anderson, Finn and Woakes/Jordan. The other 10 overs coming from Ali/Root/Ravi. The number of wides our slow bowlers have done this series has been embarrassing!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 10, 2014 15:37:37 GMT
Play abandoned. England will bat their 50 overs tomorrow to chase down 240 weather permitting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 22:26:38 GMT
Play abandoned. England will bat their 50 overs tomorrow to chase down 240 weather permitting. If we bat properly ( no need for flash bang wallop approach ) we should be able to do it comfortably .
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 11, 2014 9:27:44 GMT
Play abandoned. England will bat their 50 overs tomorrow to chase down 240 weather permitting. If we bat properly ( no need for flash bang wallop approach ) we should be able to do it comfortably . Well we are underway. Some initial thoughts. Cook couldn't have scripted a better start; long hop first ball that is (or should be) meat and drink to any decent batsman. And Cook put it away comfortably. Managed a streaky 4 from an edge - but so what. He's got a quick start. And he's had a life - amazing Sri Lanka didn't appeal that LBW shout. And he's just had a second life! Same ball. You might imagine from this it's going to be his day. But he looks so tentative. Stuck in his crease prodding away. Amazing that Sri Lanka have used a long off to Cook giving him easy push singles. Ali should have listened to your words of advice. No need for that kamikaze charge. Taylor looks great - brilliant to see his urgency at the start of his innings. Looking to work the ball in the field for quick singles. Ali - take note. It's not all about mashing the ball over the top! He's working his partner hard! That said, he just used his feet to blast a superb 6 over long on. Love this guy!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 11, 2014 9:31:49 GMT
Every ball that comes down at Cook, you are expecting him to get out. The Selectors realy have fucked up insisting he must play in the W/C.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 11, 2014 9:37:13 GMT
It was setup for Cook. Easy run rate to get - just his game. I'm struggling to see how much longer this can go on. I don't think it is helping Cook either.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 11, 2014 10:43:57 GMT
It was setup for Cook. Easy run rate to get - just his game. I'm struggling to see how much longer this can go on. I don't think it is helping Cook either. Indeed - was given a start and a couple of lives but he still looks all at sea. Frankly it's embarassing watching him play; stood in the crease proding half forward with no conviction. Cook is casting a shadow over this team and himself. And I agree with you, this cannot be helping his "A" game as a test opener. And he's been struggling big time in that role for 18 months.
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