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Post by tomsviews on Dec 3, 2014 23:08:14 GMT
It was a shame indeed as Moeen has been playing some great stuff, lets hope he can keep this form up for the next couple of months or so, if he carries on like he has in these first few games we may have a real quality player on our hands. Yes I agree he has certainly come on in leaps and bounds since the start of last summer .....he was a little iffy against the short stuff in Tests last summer , if he can work that out I think he will have a decent career before him I can imagine that in Australia they are really going to target him with the short ball, got out a few times due to taking his eye off the ball if I remember correctly? If he can stop doing that he will be perfect at the top of the order in the shorter game.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 3, 2014 23:21:00 GMT
Mr Morgan does well again. He is struggling Bayern .....why would you replace Cook as captain with him who is performing worse with the bat over the last twelve months ? Bring in Taylor and make him skipper. We need a young modern skipper. (Half jokingly - but Taylor could very well be the future ODI skipper).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 23:21:45 GMT
Yes I agree he has certainly come on in leaps and bounds since the start of last summer .....he was a little iffy against the short stuff in Tests last summer , if he can work that out I think he will have a decent career before him I can imagine that in Australia they are really going to target him with the short ball, got out a few times due to taking his eye off the ball if I remember correctly? If he can stop doing that he will be perfect at the top of the order in the shorter game. Yes he takes his eyes off the ball ( as do others ) and leaves his arms up there instead of dropping them ...it's easy to point this out from the confines of an armchair of course as I am doing ....he needs to alter this to play Johnsons short stuff , as I feel he will be the target of it this winter and next summer .....no reason why he can't , he appears to have a decent technique .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 23:23:51 GMT
He is struggling Bayern .....why would you replace Cook as captain with him who is performing worse with the bat over the last twelve months ? Bring in Taylor and make him skipper. We need a young modern skipper. (Half jokingly - but Taylor could very well be the future ODI skipper). Why not if he could get selected and establish himself ? The cupboard appears to be a little bare of contenders when you consider it .....Morgan is not the answer that is for sure .
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 3, 2014 23:33:09 GMT
Bring in Taylor and make him skipper. We need a young modern skipper. (Half jokingly - but Taylor could very well be the future ODI skipper). Why not if he could get selected and establish himself ? The cupboard appears to be a little bare of contenders when you consider it .....Morgan is not the answer that is for sure . It's the type of thing the Aussies would do. Taylor looks a cracking player who has come back strong after breaking through into the senior side a few years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 23:56:31 GMT
Why not if he could get selected and establish himself ? The cupboard appears to be a little bare of contenders when you consider it .....Morgan is not the answer that is for sure . It's the type of thing the Aussies would do. Taylor looks a cracking player who has come back strong after breaking through into the senior side a few years ago. I was impressed with Taylor when he got into the side in 2012 ...I'm curious as to whether Pietersen's negative comments about him aka like batting with a schoolboy had an effect concerning his further selection ....it wouldn't suprise me ...Pietersen for all his greatness with the bat ( there is no denying that fact ) has had a terribly negative effect on the England team ....I wish he would go away , but he has to keep appearing to make his snide comments concerning Cook and the others ....go away Kevin ....you are finished , like it or lump it ...and you finished yourself
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 4, 2014 0:28:24 GMT
It's the type of thing the Aussies would do. Taylor looks a cracking player who has come back strong after breaking through into the senior side a few years ago. I was impressed with Taylor when he got into the side in 2012 ...I'm curious as to whether Pietersen's negative comments about him aka like batting with a schoolboy had an effect concerning his further selection ....it wouldn't suprise me ...Pietersen for all his greatness with the bat ( there is no denying that fact ) has had a terribly negative effect on the England team ....I wish he would go away , but he has to keep appearing to make his snide comments concerning Cook and the others ....go away Kevin ....you are finished , like it or lump it ...and you finished yourself He was very unlucky to be dropped after two (albeit relatively poor) tests (where we now seem to be doing the more sensible approach of giving young batsmen a run of matches). He was the new wonder kid - a bit like Joe Root was. But they just didn't give him a chance. The comments by KP may have had an impact. Taylor is a little man - by stature - but that helps him. Bowlers have to change their length, and the amount of power he hits the ball with given his size is unbelievable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 0:34:49 GMT
I was impressed with Taylor when he got into the side in 2012 ...I'm curious as to whether Pietersen's negative comments about him aka like batting with a schoolboy had an effect concerning his further selection ....it wouldn't suprise me ...Pietersen for all his greatness with the bat ( there is no denying that fact ) has had a terribly negative effect on the England team ....I wish he would go away , but he has to keep appearing to make his snide comments concerning Cook and the others ....go away Kevin ....you are finished , like it or lump it ...and you finished yourself He was very unlucky to be dropped after two (albeit relatively poor) tests (where we now seem to be doing the more sensible approach of giving young batsmen a run of matches). He was the new wonder kid - a bit like Joe Root was. But they just didn't give him a chance. The comments by KP may have had an impact. Taylor is a little man - by stature - but that helps him. Bowlers have to change their length, and the amount of power he hits the ball with given his size is unbelievable. He is a talented young man ....Pietersen's remarks I hope don't his career in any way....I'm worried though ...?These things seem to attach themselves ....I hope not
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 4, 2014 1:05:06 GMT
He was very unlucky to be dropped after two (albeit relatively poor) tests (where we now seem to be doing the more sensible approach of giving young batsmen a run of matches). He was the new wonder kid - a bit like Joe Root was. But they just didn't give him a chance. The comments by KP may have had an impact. Taylor is a little man - by stature - but that helps him. Bowlers have to change their length, and the amount of power he hits the ball with given his size is unbelievable. He is a talented young man ....Pietersen's remarks I hope don't his career in any way....I'm worried though ...?These things seem to attach themselves ....I hope not You'd think that KP's stock is so low at the moment that they'd disregard any of his views? He must be like noise - annoying and to be disregarded. I just wonder if Cook sees Taylor as a potential challenger to his captaincy?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 3:05:52 GMT
He is a talented young man ....Pietersen's remarks I hope don't his career in any way....I'm worried though ...?These things seem to attach themselves ....I hope not You'd think that KP's stock is so low at the moment that they'd disregard any of his views? He must be like noise - annoying and to be disregarded. I just wonder if Cook sees Taylor as a potential challenger to his captaincy? Unlikely I would have thought mate
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 4, 2014 6:54:38 GMT
Maybe - probably puts him ahead of Morgan as the man most likely to make way for Taylor - who has to be in the side for the next game. Cook though remains a massive problem. Let's be clear - today was the sort of inconsequential knock that has seen Bell (rightly) get dropped. Scores of 30 odd ain't anything to shout about particularly at less than a run a ball. He's got to post some scores north of 70, preferably three figures and at, at least a run a ball. But enough of him. Credit to three young lions today. Well done Ali, Root and Butler. English cricket looks very exciting when you boys are playing. Well Cook only made 34 .....but he was involved in an opening stand of 84. In only 11.4 overs .....it set us up for a flying start to put us in position to ultimately win the game ....I certainly don't class it as an inconsequential innings .....but we do view things from a different angle so I won't argue the point , suffice it to say the result was the most important thing today ......and the youngsters did indeed do well Watched the highlights yesterday and was very impressed with Butler who timed the ball beautifully and Ali who played the perfect opening innings until Hayles had a brainstorm and committed the cardinal sin of ball watching. That said, I thought he (Hayles) responded well in his short innings. Root looked very assured - very mature. Guess he's been around a wee while now so is close to being considered an established player - young as he is. As you say though, securing a win was important. It was also delightful. And done in some style. A brief note on Mr Cook's batting though. He played, as you mentioned, two sumptuous drives through the off side for four. Vintage Cook at his best. But therein lies a problem. He is batting as a test match player. He is still in his crease, drives along the ground in orthodox areas, ie ball on or outside off is played into the off side. I was hoping to see him try and develop his ODI game by hitting over the infield, moving about the crease, playing the ball in areas the bowler isn't protecting. Sort of how Ali is batting. Instead what we got was, as I said, the sort of innings Bell has played too much in recent times; an assured progression into the 30s before succumbing to a lame shot. Not sure that qualifies as much of an improvement! Anyway, looks like he's going to get a break soon, either through a suspension for a low over rate or because his back is causing him some problems. I'd give him a two game break and bring in Taylor to the middle order. Opening with Hayles and Ali could be very exciting.
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Post by 2004 on Dec 4, 2014 8:32:22 GMT
Well done England!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 9:53:33 GMT
Well Cook only made 34 .....but he was involved in an opening stand of 84. In only 11.4 overs .....it set us up for a flying start to put us in position to ultimately win the game ....I certainly don't class it as an inconsequential innings .....but we do view things from a different angle so I won't argue the point , suffice it to say the result was the most important thing today ......and the youngsters did indeed do well Watched the highlights yesterday and was very impressed with Butler who timed the ball beautifully and Ali who played the perfect opening innings until Hayles had a brainstorm and committed the cardinal sin of ball watching. That said, I thought he (Hayles) responded well in his short innings. Root looked very assured - very mature. Guess he's been around a wee while now so is close to being considered an established player - young as he is. As you say though, securing a win was important. It was also delightful. And done in some style. A brief note on Mr Cook's batting though. He played, as you mentioned, two sumptuous drives through the off side for four. Vintage Cook at his best. But therein lies a problem. He is batting as a test match player. He is still in his crease, drives along the ground in orthodox areas, ie ball on or outside off is played into the off side. I was hoping to see him try and develop his ODI game by hitting over the infield, moving about the crease, playing the ball in areas the bowler isn't protecting. Sort of how Ali is batting. Instead what we got was, as I said, the sort of innings Bell has played too much in recent times; an assured progression into the 30s before succumbing to a lame shot. Not sure that qualifies as much of an improvement! Anyway, looks like he's going to get a break soon, either through a suspension for a low over rate or because his back is causing him some problems. I'd give him a two game break and bring in Taylor to the middle order. Opening with Hayles and Ali could be very exciting. Yes it looks like Cook will be out of the next game , enforced perhaps or not .....it will be interesting to see how things progress
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 10:27:40 GMT
Well Cook has indeed been banned for a game .......should make some folk happy I suppose .
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 4, 2014 11:10:36 GMT
Well Cook has indeed been banned for a game .......should make some folk happy I suppose . Yes and no. Yes - in that I believe England will be stronger without him in ODIs on the evidence of many many games. Of course this is my opinion - other folk think differently. But there is no pleasure to be derived from this situation. Cook is an outstanding cricketer. But it's unpleasant watching a square peg being forced into a round hole! No - this is not how the team should be managed. It is unfair to whoever replaces him if he plays knowing that he's got just the one game and pretty much whatever he does he knows that spot will be returned to the skipper after the one match ban is served. In fact this affects two players: Hayles as Ali's opening partner and Taylor taking up the space in the 11 man team. Also Morgan is affected as he'll take over the captaincy; but I've a lot less sympathy for him. He's been around a long time and is batting as badly as Cook just now! He's another player who is on borrowed time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 11:36:14 GMT
Well Cook has indeed been banned for a game .......should make some folk happy I suppose . Yes and no. Yes - in that I believe England will be stronger without him in ODIs on the evidence of many many games. Of course this is my opinion - other folk think differently. But there is no pleasure to be derived from this situation. Cook is an outstanding cricketer. But it's unpleasant watching a square peg being forced into a round hole! No - this is not how the team should be managed. It is unfair to whoever replaces him if he plays knowing that he's got just the one game and pretty much whatever he does he knows that spot will be returned to the skipper after the one match ban is served. In fact this affects two players: Hayles as Ali's opening partner and Taylor taking up the space in the 11 man team. Also Morgan is affected as he'll take over the captaincy; but I've a lot less sympathy for him. He's been around a long time and is batting as badly as Cook just now! He's another player who is on borrowed time. I wasn't having a dig at you mate more those in the media who should not keep having a pop ......those that have been there themselves and have developed memory loss since they' retired .
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 4, 2014 14:14:44 GMT
Well Cook has indeed been banned for a game .......should make some folk happy I suppose . Was this the equivalent of deliberately getting a yellow card so you miss an unimportant game?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 14:27:56 GMT
Well Cook has indeed been banned for a game .......should make some folk happy I suppose . Was this the equivalent of deliberately getting a yellow card so you miss an unimportant game? All these games are important for Cook
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Post by 2004 on Dec 4, 2014 16:27:20 GMT
It will be interesting to see how we do without Cook.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 5, 2014 17:29:36 GMT
It will be interesting to see how we do without Cook. Say we score a load and win easy, how does he get back in?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 18:09:50 GMT
It will be interesting to see how we do without Cook. Say we score a load and win easy, how does he get back in? Simply because he is Captain and designated Opener untill it's decided otherwise .
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Post by 2004 on Dec 5, 2014 18:13:55 GMT
It will be interesting to see how we do without Cook. Say we score a load and win easy, how does he get back in? They would probably still put him back in anyway!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 18:26:17 GMT
Say we score a load and win easy, how does he get back in? They would probably still put him back in anyway! Well yes .....he hasn't been dropped has he ? He is serving a ridiculous ban concerning slow over rates , nothing more .
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Post by 2004 on Dec 7, 2014 7:54:36 GMT
Great batting from Taylor to get 90
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 8:25:50 GMT
Great batting from Taylor to get 90 Superb. Morgan's batting seems to improve when he's captain as well, Stokes is a worry I like his aggression but his batting/bowling figures since his Aussie century in all formats has been woeful...
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 7, 2014 8:50:26 GMT
Great batting from Taylor to get 90 Superb. Morgan's batting seems to improve when he's captain as well, Stokes is a worry I like his aggression but his batting/bowling figures since his Aussie century in all formats has been woeful... We'll see if we've got enough runs presently but this innings does present a real selection head ache for the selectors. Taylor deserves to keep his place after that knock, Morgan has shown why he is vital for ODIs. Who now to leave out for Cook - Hayles?
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Post by 2004 on Dec 7, 2014 8:56:28 GMT
I think they will put Cook straight back in after his ban.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 7, 2014 10:02:08 GMT
I think they will put Cook straight back in after his ban. I think you're right - or at least that's what they will want to do. But who makes way? They've got a head ache after today's batting performance. They've got a hole at #3 that Taylor has showed he can fill. Morgan has shown (at long last) why you need him at #5. So, it looks like the player to make way for Cook has to be Hayles. Who is arguably the best limited overs opening bat England has. He's one our opponents fear that's for sure! Our selectors have painted themselves into a corner through their own intransigence. I wonder if Cook's back injury may flare up a little and mean he can't play in the next game. Spare the selectors' blushes. And allow them to play their strongest side (other than the bowling of course!).
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 7, 2014 10:46:50 GMT
Away from fixating on England for a moment, it has to be said watching Sangakkara and Jayawardene bat is an absolute joy!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 11:20:16 GMT
Sri Lanka will win this at a canter. Is Tredwell unfit, why the hell wouldn't we play him if he is? Does Sri Lanka playing 4 spinners not give the selectors a clue as to the type of pitches we're dealing with?
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