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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 10:43:29 GMT
At best 50/50 for me so advantage batsman, no conclusive proof either way has to be not out. Not that it seems to matter now it'll be over soon we'll do well to get 175 here. There was no evidence to show the ball touching the ground either .....so on that basis it's out for me .....plus the integrity of the wicket keeper , which for me isn't in doubt .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 10:45:34 GMT
Disappointing end to Butler's knock. A soft dismissal. But now opportunity knocks for Woakes. Score 70 or 80 here and that #8 spot is yours. Chance for some glory - go and take it. I've been impressed with Woakes this series and I'm hoping it will be the making of him as a cricketer. He seems to have found an extra bit of pace to go with his line and length accuracy which will hopefully bode well for his test career. Win or lose a decent knock here will give him real confidence with the bat as well....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 10:48:00 GMT
And he is rarely captain is he ? His " indispensable " innings of the other day has been something of a rarity over the last year and a half or so .....yet he is touted as permanent captain by some in the media ....with what justification ? It was tongue in cheek to be fair, Morgan's batting is as woeful as Cook's captaincy at the moment. You've played plenty of cricket Bish, I know you like to cut Cook slack and I respect you for that, but following the ball is what we used to do playing 2nd XI or u-18's cricket not from an experienced cricketer. I've cut Cook plenty of slack .....I admit that , but I can't cut him much more ,if only for the reason of not making myself look intransigent and foolish ! ....He needs to step back and think about his game and his role in the near future , otherwise he way never recover mentally from this slump,that he's currently in .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 11:00:27 GMT
It was tongue in cheek to be fair, Morgan's batting is as woeful as Cook's captaincy at the moment. You've played plenty of cricket Bish, I know you like to cut Cook slack and I respect you for that, but following the ball is what we used to do playing 2nd XI or u-18's cricket not from an experienced cricketer. I've cut Cook plenty of slack .....I admit that , but I can't cut him much more ,if only for the reason of not making myself look intransigent and foolish ! ....He needs to step back and think about his game and his role in the near future , otherwise he way never recover mentally from this slump,that he's currently in . For the good of his long term test future he needs to step aside. He won't as he truly feels he can contribute but someone needs to intervene in my opinion and tell hom how it is. I like Cook and ultimately I want him scoring bags of test runs as one day cricket is secondary as far as I'm concerned....
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 13, 2014 11:03:06 GMT
Game over. Poor shot from Root there- but another good knock from the lad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 11:05:19 GMT
I've cut Cook plenty of slack .....I admit that , but I can't cut him much more ,if only for the reason of not making myself look intransigent and foolish ! ....He needs to step back and think about his game and his role in the near future , otherwise he way never recover mentally from this slump,that he's currently in . For the good of his long term test future he needs to step aside. He won't as he truly feels he can contribute but someone needs to intervene in my opinion and tell hom how it is. I like Cook and ultimately I want him scoring bags of test runs as one day cricket is secondary as far as I'm concerned.... Yes I have to agree mate I'm afraid ......we need him back to his old self in Tests , it's vital that he has a good series in the West Indies in the spring , for both him and the team ,otherwise all this will all spill over into his place in the Test side as well ( with some justification I suppose ).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 11:12:57 GMT
How disapointing this game has been....as usual with us it's one step forward and two steps back .
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 13, 2014 11:13:28 GMT
Disappointing end to Butler's knock. A soft dismissal. But now opportunity knocks for Woakes. Score 70 or 80 here and that #8 spot is yours. Chance for some glory - go and take it. I've been impressed with Woakes this series and I'm hoping it will be the making of him as a cricketer. He seems to have found an extra bit of pace to go with his line and length accuracy which will hopefully bode well for his test career. Win or lose a decent knock here will give him real confidence with the bat as well.... I remember his last over in the T20 final at Flintoff in the summer. Great death bowling - with plenty of well bowled yorkers. Looked reasonably quick with good control. Not reproduced that quality enough for England - but he has it in him. As for batting, he looks to gave very good technique. Should score more runs. This series his bowling has been better, now he just needs to deliver a knock that his batting ability is capable of. Hopefully he can do that today. If enough partners stick around. Jordan has just gone ever so gentle into that dark night!
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 13, 2014 11:14:19 GMT
It was tongue in cheek to be fair, Morgan's batting is as woeful as Cook's captaincy at the moment. You've played plenty of cricket Bish, I know you like to cut Cook slack and I respect you for that, but following the ball is what we used to do playing 2nd XI or u-18's cricket not from an experienced cricketer. I've cut Cook plenty of slack .....I admit that , but I can't cut him much more ,if only for the reason of not making myself look intransigent and foolish ! ....He needs to step back and think about his game and his role in the near future , otherwise he way never recover mentally from this slump,that he's currently in . I think the only way forwards now on the captaincy is to allow Cook to continue for this series (it would damage his self confidence too much leaving the tour or watching from the stands for the last match). Then quietly over Christmas announce that he won't be heading down under. He needs a break from the pressure - maybe even not tour the Windies in the spring. We need him back for the Ashes and what's going on now isn't helping him or the team. The best leaders know when it's time to let go in the interests of the team.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 11:28:10 GMT
I've cut Cook plenty of slack .....I admit that , but I can't cut him much more ,if only for the reason of not making myself look intransigent and foolish ! ....He needs to step back and think about his game and his role in the near future , otherwise he way never recover mentally from this slump,that he's currently in . I think the only way forwards now on the captaincy is to allow Cook to continue for this series (it would damage his self confidence too much leaving the tour or watching from the stands for the last match). Then quietly over Christmas announce that he won't be heading down under. He needs a break from the pressure - maybe even not tour the Windies in the spring. We need him back for the Ashes and what's going on now isn't helping him or the team. The best leaders know when it's time to let go in the interests of the team. Good points , but I think he does need to play in the West Indies ....after all it's nearly four months until that tour , it ought to be ideal preparation for him after a good rest for what is sure to be another tough summer ...I'm sure a couple of centuries if he could achieve them would act as a massive resurgence to him ...possibly playing as a batsman only .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 11:29:40 GMT
Not a bad knock from Woakes .....he's had a fairly good series all in all .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 11:31:23 GMT
One plus point from today's defeat as I had a fiver on Sri Lanka to win the series 5-2. Will pay for my Ashes ticket next year if it comes in (well nearly).....
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 13, 2014 11:37:43 GMT
Not a bad knock from Woakes .....he's had a fairly good series all in all . Not a bad knock - but nothing to write home about either. Likewise had had an OK series - but nothing more. Hard to say he offers anything more than Bresnan who has been much criticised. Woakes has potential but needs to actually do something (I'm harsh discounting his six-for the other day - but he was the beneficiary of some late order slogging that day). Otherwise he'll just join that long list of wannabe English all rounders who are competent but not actually good enough batsmen or bowlers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 11:40:12 GMT
One plus point from today's defeat as I had a fiver on Sri Lanka to win the series 5-2. Will pay for my Ashes ticket next year if it comes in (well nearly)..... That's almost treasonous behaviour If you don't mind me saying so !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 11:42:50 GMT
Not a bad knock from Woakes .....he's had a fairly good series all in all . Not a bad knock - but nothing to write home about either. Likewise had had an OK series - but nothing more. Hard to say he offers anything more than Bresnan who has been much criticised. Woakes has potential but needs to actually do something (I'm harsh discounting his six-for the other day - but he was the beneficiary of some late order slogging that day). Otherwise he'll just join that long list of wannabe English all rounders who are competent but not actually good enough batsmen or bowlers. True enough , just trying to find something good in this performance .....Perhaps luckily for me ,I'm going on holiday in the morning so I won't have to watch the last game
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 11:43:05 GMT
One plus point from today's defeat as I had a fiver on Sri Lanka to win the series 5-2. Will pay for my Ashes ticket next year if it comes in (well nearly)..... That's almost treasonous behaviour If you don't mind me saying so ! It's only my love of the England cricket team that stop me betting on a 7-0 whitewash!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 11:46:04 GMT
That's almost treasonous behaviour If you don't mind me saying so ! It's only my love of the England cricket team that stop me betting on a 7-0 whitewash!! Tell that to the hangman !
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 14, 2014 10:17:26 GMT
Is this Moores preparing the way for Cook's departure; Alastair Cook: No guarantee for captain at World Cup - Moores? If so it's clumsy. But then again when you've painted yourself in a corner it's hard to get out clean. Let's hope so. Cook; go back to test match cricket and use the West Indies tour to show you can still do your stuff at that level. We need you for the summer at your best. The rest - head of to Aus and play with fire. Give it your best shot. That's all we ask.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 14, 2014 20:30:10 GMT
Is this Moores preparing the way for Cook's departure; Alastair Cook: No guarantee for captain at World Cup - Moores? If so it's clumsy. But then again when you've painted yourself in a corner it's hard to get out clean. Let's hope so. Cook; go back to test match cricket and use the West Indies tour to show you can still do your stuff at that level. We need you for the summer at your best. The rest - head of to Aus and play with fire. Give it your best shot. That's all we ask. Now Bispham is away you can share your true feelings about Cooky partick! I agree with you - Cook has many years of test cricket ahead of him - assuming he can recapture some of his true form. The worse he can do is continue as he has - he'll probably end up back in the county game (confidence completely shot) or packing it in before he's 30.
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Post by 2004 on Dec 14, 2014 20:34:03 GMT
Oh dear!
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 15, 2014 13:49:43 GMT
Is this Moores preparing the way for Cook's departure; Alastair Cook: No guarantee for captain at World Cup - Moores? If so it's clumsy. But then again when you've painted yourself in a corner it's hard to get out clean. Let's hope so. Cook; go back to test match cricket and use the West Indies tour to show you can still do your stuff at that level. We need you for the summer at your best. The rest - head of to Aus and play with fire. Give it your best shot. That's all we ask. Now Bispham is away you can share your true feelings about Cooky partick! I agree with you - Cook has many years of test cricket ahead of him - assuming he can recapture some of his true form. The worse he can do is continue as he has - he'll probably end up back in the county game (confidence completely shot) or packing it in before he's 30. I think Bish and I are pretty much aligned on most things cricket - just Mr Cook divides us! Loyalty is a fine attribute, but it's been over used on Cook and has harmed him and the team. Was reading ESPN Cricinfo's report who summed things up as follows Ouch!
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 15, 2014 14:39:09 GMT
Now Bispham is away you can share your true feelings about Cooky partick! I agree with you - Cook has many years of test cricket ahead of him - assuming he can recapture some of his true form. The worse he can do is continue as he has - he'll probably end up back in the county game (confidence completely shot) or packing it in before he's 30. I think Bish and I are pretty much aligned on most things cricket - just Mr Cook divides us! Loyalty is a fine attribute, but it's been over used on Cook and has harmed him and the team. Was reading ESPN Cricinfo's report who summed things up as follows Ouch! I always listen to the Quick Hits CricInfo podcast - and those stats get rolled out frequently on there. I totally agree that persisting with Cook is damaging the side and most definitely Cook too. I just hope that he isn't permanently damaged and can recover back to his old self in tests at least
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 16, 2014 10:45:25 GMT
We actually got Sangakkara?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 16, 2014 11:02:31 GMT
Bowled Moeen.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 16, 2014 12:40:22 GMT
So 303 to win. A good challenge to our batsmen.
Woakes after his 6-for in the last ODI got to see the other side of the game today going wicket-less at over 7 an over. Sometimes you just get lucky bowling in ODIs and those slogs fall short of the boundary down a fielders throat. Meaning, don't get too excited when you pick up a few wickets, or too despondent when you go round the park.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 16, 2014 12:46:06 GMT
I could not predict what day of the week it is. So I predict, Cook wont get more than 30. Ali quick 30+ then out. We will not reach 275.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 16, 2014 12:57:42 GMT
So 303 to win. A good challenge to our batsmen. Woakes after his 6-for in the last ODI got to see the other side of the game today going wicket-less at over 7 an over. Sometimes you just get lucky bowling in ODIs and those slogs fall short of the boundary down a fielders throat. Meaning, don't get too excited when you pick up a few wickets, or too despondent when you go round the park. A good challenge, but I can't see them doing it mate, they've messed with the order again so Taylor comes in at 5 now to accommodate Hales at 3.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 16, 2014 13:19:33 GMT
Cook survives an LBW, a dropped catch and then Moeen is castled playing back to a quicker spinner.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 16, 2014 13:20:02 GMT
Ali out, his first ball. Cook faced 7 balls and could have been out twice.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 16, 2014 13:22:05 GMT
Ali out, his first ball. Cook faced 7 balls and could have been out twice. "Cook is our leader, our great and glorious leader"
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