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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 22, 2014 0:56:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 2:22:39 GMT
I don't think so either ....never the less as you say an excellent start from from Moeen ...three wickets and a quick fire fifty ....well done ....nice to record a fifty for the Captain as well ....enjoy it Alistair .....You know there is only more criticism too follow for you on here  |
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Post by 2004 on Nov 22, 2014 7:50:23 GMT
We will win the series
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 8:34:53 GMT
Moeen will be a key player for us over the years in all formats, especially as there's no standout specialist spinner waiting in the wings.
As for Cook, decent 50 but unless he ups his strike rate by 20% we're never going to hit the heights of 320-350 which is what the top teams are hitting these days...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 11:03:03 GMT
Possibly if the Sri Lankans are a little hungover from their recent series in India, otherwise it will be tough |
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 22, 2014 11:05:50 GMT
Is Slinga Malinga available for the Sri Lankans?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 11:06:31 GMT
Moeen will be a key player for us over the years in all formats, especially as there's no standout specialist spinner waiting in the wings. As for Cook, decent 50 but unless he ups his strike rate by 20% we're never going to hit the heights of 320-350 which is what the top teams are hitting these days... It's nigh on impossible to expect a player like Cook to alter his game to that extent , he needs to be the fulcrum of the innings while bigger hitters score around him |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 11:07:13 GMT
Is Slinga Malinga available for the Sri Lankans? Not sure mate |
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 22, 2014 11:09:19 GMT
Is Slinga Malinga available for the Sri Lankans? Not sure mate He didn't go on the Indian tour - but that was last minute. A truly great ODI bowler - just a shame he retired from the test cricket too soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 11:12:06 GMT
He didn't go on the Indian tour - but that was last minute. A truly great ODI bowler - just a shame he retired from the test cricket too soon. Yes he's a good bowler , I'm not sure whether his retirement was injury related or not ?.....it would come as no surprise when you consider his action |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 11:25:39 GMT
Moeen will be a key player for us over the years in all formats, especially as there's no standout specialist spinner waiting in the wings. As for Cook, decent 50 but unless he ups his strike rate by 20% we're never going to hit the heights of 320-350 which is what the top teams are hitting these days... It's nigh on impossible to expect a player like Cook to alter his game to that extent , he needs to be the fulcrum of the innings while bigger hitters score around him Agree mate, which is why Hales should open and Morgan should be captain... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 11:36:23 GMT
It's nigh on impossible to expect a player like Cook to alter his game to that extent , he needs to be the fulcrum of the innings while bigger hitters score around him Agree mate, which is why Hales should open and Morgan should be captain... I certainly think that Hales should be in the side and opening , the issue surrounding the captaincy in the ODI side is something that will probably crop up again after the World Cup , dependent of course on both his and the teams performance over the winter |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 11:39:55 GMT
Agreed.
I think Cook stepping down from the ODI's will ultimately improve his test match batting/captaincy which is all I'm bothered about really :-)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 11:48:08 GMT
Agreed. I think Cook stepping down from the ODI's will ultimately improve his test match batting/captaincy which is all I'm bothered about really :-) I wouldn't argue with that , I'm a Cook fan , but if relinquishing the ODI Captaincy was lead to him regaing the form in Test Cricket that he has produced previously I wouldn't be too unhappy , for me he is still the best opening batsman in the world ,not withstanding the debate concerning his Captaincy, he's still got thousands more runs to score for England , he will ultimately be out of sight as England's heaviest run scorer . |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 22, 2014 22:37:57 GMT
Agree mate, which is why Hales should open and Morgan should be captain... I certainly think that Hales should be in the side and opening , the issue surrounding the captaincy in the ODI side is something that will probably crop up again after the World Cup , dependent of course on both his and the teams performance over the winter Sorry Bish - but first to your original point ODI cricket has moved on from having a batting fulcrum. Well, apart from England that is! A fulcrum is fine if you're thinking about a score of c250, but these days 300+ is what you need to be thinking about. I agree Hales should open. Seems to me he's been sacrificed to accommodate Mr Fulcrum. Which is pish! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 1:21:03 GMT
I certainly think that Hales should be in the side and opening , the issue surrounding the captaincy in the ODI side is something that will probably crop up again after the World Cup , dependent of course on both his and the teams performance over the winter Sorry Bish - but first to your original point ODI cricket has moved on from having a batting fulcrum. Well, apart from England that is! A fulcrum is fine if you're thinking about a score of c250, but these days 300+ is what you need to be thinking about. I agree Hales should open. Seems to me he's been sacrificed to accommodate Mr Fulcrum. Which is pish! I don't agree at all ....if you have a guy at the top of the order who goes the distance and gets a ton .....big hitting from the other end should ensure that 300 is within reason as a total ....but having said that 300 isn't that as formidable a target as it once was ......as for the sacrifice , it rather seems the opposite Cook was the man in possession ....it would appear that Hales has been sacrificed to accommodate Moeen at the top of the order.....at the end of the day we are not going to agree on this point as you have a problem with Alistair Cook as a cricketer and a captain , you have said you would like him removed as captain in both forms of the game and you lobbied strongly for him to be dropped from the side as an opening batsman as well.....you may well get your wish if we have a poor winter in the ODI's ....for me England will always be a more formidable side with an inform and prolific Cook at the top of the order , but it's all about opinions and that's quite right ....open discussion on the subject will always be welcomed from my point of view .....provided it's a constructive discussion |
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Nov 23, 2014 2:12:43 GMT
Why are we still bothering to play this cricket ball thing anyway. After all these years and we are still useless at it. Straight out of Jonathan Agnew's mouth that is.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 2:17:51 GMT
Why are we still bothering to play this cricket ball thing anyway. After all these years and we are still useless at it. Straight out of Jonathan Agnew's mouth that is. Shut up,Okie .....  |
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Nov 23, 2014 2:22:29 GMT
Why are we still bothering to play this cricket ball thing anyway. After all these years and we are still useless at it. Straight out of Jonathan Agnew's mouth that is. Shut up,Okie ..... . I was hoping you would see that tomorrow, and make a more considered response Bish. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 2:25:15 GMT
Shut up,Okie ..... . I was hoping you would see that tomorrow, and make a more considered response Bish. I will tomorrow Okie |
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Nov 23, 2014 2:32:51 GMT
. I was hoping you would see that tomorrow, and make a more considered response Bish. I will tomorrow Okie Shall I just ignore the other post then Bish. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 3:49:31 GMT
Shall I just ignore the other post then Bish. Yes do |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 23, 2014 8:49:25 GMT
Sorry Bish - but first to your original point ODI cricket has moved on from having a batting fulcrum. Well, apart from England that is! A fulcrum is fine if you're thinking about a score of c250, but these days 300+ is what you need to be thinking about. I agree Hales should open. Seems to me he's been sacrificed to accommodate Mr Fulcrum. Which is pish! I don't agree at all ....if you have a guy at the top of the order who goes the distance and gets a ton .....big hitting from the other end should ensure that 300 is within reason as a total ....but having said that 300 isn't that as formidable a target as it once was ......as for the sacrifice , it rather seems the opposite Cook was the man in possession ....it would appear that Hales has been sacrificed to accommodate Moeen at the top of the order.....at the end of the day we are not going to agree on this point as you have a problem with Alistair Cook as a cricketer and a captain , you have said you would like him removed as captain in both forms of the game and you lobbied strongly for him to be dropped from the side as an opening batsman as well.....you may well get your wish if we have a poor winter in the ODI's ....for me England will always be a more formidable side with an inform and prolific Cook at the top of the order , but it's all about opinions and that's quite right ....open discussion on the subject will always be welcomed from my point of view .....provided it's a constructive discussion Just to be clear. I've no problem with Cook as an opening batsman at test level although his performances for some time have been less than he would expect of himself. It's as a captain in any form of the game, and as an ODI player I have concerns. Simply put, he has yet to demonstrate the same success in those positions as he has done as a test match opening batsman. And that is putting it mildly as well as simply. A captain shouldn't default to being the best player in the team; think Botham, Flintoff, Pietersen. No reason Cook has to be captain. Furthermore, it's possible that his recent poor test batting could be improved if he wasn't captain. There is no doubt in my mind that captaining and opening in test cricket is a tough gig. I think Strauss's batting suffered while he was captain in those circumstances, and the same may be happening to Cook. It looks like that to me to some degree at least; it ain't all just form and technique, I think it's also distraction. An opening test bat needs focus. Ask Boycs who has spoken about this often. I'd rather Cook focussed his efforts on what he is best at, and what he'll be most remembered for. As for the need for a fulcrum at the top of the batting in ODI's; we'll have to disagree. But as evidence for my argument I'll cite India and Australia. These sides go hard at the first 10 overs and have opening batsmen who can go over the infield early in their innings and play the ball in areas the bowler isn't protecting. There has been excellent analysis of Cook in the last series against India that shows he plays along the ground and in predictable areas eg he plays a ball on or outside off into the off side. Maybe he's learned from that series how to open an ODI innings in this new age where the influence of T20 has pushed a par ODI score up by 60-70 runs. Let's see. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 23, 2014 17:31:12 GMT
The second warm up match washed out.
They're going to be starting a ODI series after one rain affected warm-up match. Only 4 batsmen have actually faced a ball in anger.
If we're going to play ODIs then we need to take them seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 17:46:04 GMT
I don't agree at all ....if you have a guy at the top of the order who goes the distance and gets a ton .....big hitting from the other end should ensure that 300 is within reason as a total ....but having said that 300 isn't that as formidable a target as it once was ......as for the sacrifice , it rather seems the opposite Cook was the man in possession ....it would appear that Hales has been sacrificed to accommodate Moeen at the top of the order.....at the end of the day we are not going to agree on this point as you have a problem with Alistair Cook as a cricketer and a captain , you have said you would like him removed as captain in both forms of the game and you lobbied strongly for him to be dropped from the side as an opening batsman as well.....you may well get your wish if we have a poor winter in the ODI's ....for me England will always be a more formidable side with an inform and prolific Cook at the top of the order , but it's all about opinions and that's quite right ....open discussion on the subject will always be welcomed from my point of view .....provided it's a constructive discussion Just to be clear. I've no problem with Cook as an opening batsman at test level although his performances for some time have been less than he would expect of himself. It's as a captain in any form of the game, and as an ODI player I have concerns. Simply put, he has yet to demonstrate the same success in those positions as he has done as a test match opening batsman. And that is putting it mildly as well as simply. A captain shouldn't default to being the best player in the team; think Botham, Flintoff, Pietersen. No reason Cook has to be captain. Furthermore, it's possible that his recent poor test batting could be improved if he wasn't captain. There is no doubt in my mind that captaining and opening in test cricket is a tough gig. I think Strauss's batting suffered while he was captain in those circumstances, and the same may be happening to Cook. It looks like that to me to some degree at least; it ain't all just form and technique, I think it's also distraction. An opening test bat needs focus. Ask Boycs who has spoken about this often. I'd rather Cook focussed his efforts on what he is best at, and what he'll be most remembered for. As for the need for a fulcrum at the top of the batting in ODI's; we'll have to disagree. But as evidence for my argument I'll cite India and Australia. These sides go hard at the first 10 overs and have opening batsmen who can go over the infield early in their innings and play the ball in areas the bowler isn't protecting. There has been excellent analysis of Cook in the last series against India that shows he plays along the ground and in predictable areas eg he plays a ball on or outside off into the off side. Maybe he's learned from that series how to open an ODI innings in this new age where the influence of T20 has pushed a par ODI score up by 60-70 runs. Let's see. Well that's clear enough Partick , I agree let's see , you are certainly correct in your assesment of T20 altering the approach that is adopted in ODI's these days ......I think one of the reasons we lag behind most other sides is the fact that we don't play nearly the same amount of T20 as say India ,who have encompassed that game completely, even T20 has moved on from when we won it , but we are still playing it in the same way......I don't see that we will improve much untill we play more of it and bring those type of " power" hitters into our game ....there are one or two such as Hales about but we are still coming around slowly. Perhaps I'm a little outdated in my way of looking at the game as I've never really taken to T20 and I'm not sure if I would like more of it being played over here , but I realise it's the only way we will improve |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 17:50:59 GMT
The second warm up match washed out. They're going to be starting a ODI series after one rain affected warm-up match. Only 4 batsmen have actually faced a ball in anger. If we're going to play ODIs then we need to take them seriously. I'm just curious as to why we would be playing this series at all as preperation for the World Cup .....totally unique cllimate to Sri Lanka that will have no bearing on the conditions in Australia , also why are we playing in their " rainy " season ?..... |
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 24, 2014 1:41:53 GMT
The second warm up match washed out. They're going to be starting a ODI series after one rain affected warm-up match. Only 4 batsmen have actually faced a ball in anger. If we're going to play ODIs then we need to take them seriously. I'm just curious as to why we would be playing this series at all as preperation for the World Cup .....totally unique cllimate to Sri Lanka that will have no bearing on the conditions in Australia , also why are we playing in their " rainy " season ?..... Yes, it doesn't make sense (like a lot of English cricket). We'd have been better off just forgetting the World Cup and organising a proper 2-3 month tour including 3 Tests and 3 or 4 ODIs/20-20s. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 24, 2014 2:24:32 GMT
Jordan's figures from that tour game. O M R W Econ 5 0 48 0 9.50 (1nb, 5w) Not very encouraging, the problems he looked to have had with his action against India look to be a long term thing unfortunately. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 2:24:32 GMT
I'm just curious as to why we would be playing this series at all as preperation for the World Cup .....totally unique cllimate to Sri Lanka that will have no bearing on the conditions in Australia , also why are we playing in their " rainy " season ?..... Yes, it doesn't make sense (like a lot of English cricket). We'd have been better off just forgetting the World Cup and organising a proper 2-3 month tour including 3 Tests and 3 or 4 ODIs/20-20s. Well we are bound to play in the World Cup....but a winter of no test cricket s disapointing ....even the West Indies tour in March does not get the juices rolling ...how times have changed |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 24, 2014 2:25:15 GMT
Yes, it doesn't make sense (like a lot of English cricket). We'd have been better off just forgetting the World Cup and organising a proper 2-3 month tour including 3 Tests and 3 or 4 ODIs/20-20s. Well we are bound to play in the World Cup....but a winter of no test cricket s disapointing ....even the West Indies tour in March does not get the juices rolling ...how times have changed That tour to the West Indies might not even happen either  |
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