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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 13:48:27 GMT
His bowling reminds me a little of the late great Basil D'Oliveira , similar pace renowned partnership breaker for Ray Illingworth (before your time I know ) . He's a better version of Dermot Reeve with bat and ball..... Anybody can be a better version than Dermot Reeve
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 13:49:55 GMT
Yes Mike Procter would without a doubt have been up there amongst the great Test Match all rounders ,he only played in seven tests, similarly Barry Richards a marvelous batsman only played in four ....what a talented side that was , Graeme and Peter Pollock , Eddie Barlow , Dennis Lindsay and Colin Band.....Bland was a truly marvelous cover fielder who could be almost guaranteed to hit the stumps with a throw from any angle . Yes it was a great shame that politics denied that team from fulfilling its potential. Very true - the world of sport was denied some great players. But the bigger shame of course was the black population being denied the potential to fulfil their potential in all aspects of life, including cricket! Oh of course , I was reminiscing from a purely cricketing point of view Partick.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 28, 2014 13:56:03 GMT
He's a better version of Dermot Reeve with bat and ball..... Anybody can be a better version than Dermot Reeve Derek Pringle?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 13:56:54 GMT
Anybody can be a better version than Dermot Reeve Derek Pringle? Ian Austin?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 14:04:11 GMT
Anybody can be a better version than Dermot Reeve Derek Pringle? With the exception of Derek Pringle
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 14:05:01 GMT
And of course Ian Austin
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 14:07:28 GMT
I watched Ian Austin a few times when he was professional at St. Anne's ....fat and unfit ...just like when he unbelievably played for England
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 14:08:43 GMT
And I'll throw in the name of another Lancastrian .....Mike Watkinson
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 14:16:30 GMT
Anybody can be a better version than Dermot Reeve Derek Pringle? You know it always astounds me to think that Derek Pringle played in around 50 Test Matches for England .
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 28, 2014 15:07:31 GMT
You know it always astounds me to think that Derek Pringle played in around 50 Test Matches for England . A Cambridge boy. Just 30 tests - averaged 15.10 and 35.97. Be quite respectable if that were bowling and batting; sadly of course, it's the other way round. He did play 44 ODIs (with much the same dismal record) so well over 50 international appearances. Hard to think of anyone that played so much for England but contributed so little.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 15:44:08 GMT
You know it always astounds me to think that Derek Pringle played in around 50 Test Matches for England . A Cambridge boy. Just 30 tests - averaged 15.10 and 35.97. Be quite respectable if that were bowling and batting; sadly of course, it's the other way round. He did play 44 ODIs (with much the same dismal record) so well over 50 international appearances. Hard to think of anyone that played so much for England but contributed so little. I stand corrected over his Test appearances ......it must have just felt like he played 50 ! Even 30 was far too many
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 16:08:26 GMT
Bill Athey if I recall correctly played 25 odd tests and was very poor.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 16:23:14 GMT
Bill Athey if I recall correctly played 25 odd tests and was very poor..... Yes , I don't think he made thousand runs , I recall him scoring one century , he must have averaged about 20
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 16:29:51 GMT
Chris Tavare was another , although he was better than those named above .......what a plodder he was! I seem to remember him scoring 30 odd in about six hours in one test in India
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 18:55:16 GMT
Chris Tavare was another , although he was better than those named above .......what a plodder he was! I seem to remember him scoring 30 odd in about six hours in one test in India I'm reluctant to name too many players from the dark years of the late 80's and 90's, but the likes of David Capel (was meant too be the new Beefy) had pretty uninspiring records with bat and ball. I used to really like him but Daffy Defreitas record is on a par with Derek Pringle's which surprises me. Too many to mention from that era though....
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 28, 2014 21:20:23 GMT
Chris Tavare was another , although he was better than those named above .......what a plodder he was! I seem to remember him scoring 30 odd in about six hours in one test in India I sadly modelled my early batting on Christopher James Tavaré
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 22:39:29 GMT
Chris Tavare was another , although he was better than those named above .......what a plodder he was! I seem to remember him scoring 30 odd in about six hours in one test in India I sadly modelled my early batting on Christopher James Tavaré Surely not ! But if that's true please accept my humblest apologies , it's nothing personal I assure you
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 22:44:58 GMT
Chris Tavare was another , although he was better than those named above .......what a plodder he was! I seem to remember him scoring 30 odd in about six hours in one test in India I'm reluctant to name too many players from the dark years of the late 80's and 90's, but the likes of David Capel (was meant too be the new Beefy) had pretty uninspiring records with bat and ball. I used to really like him but Daffy Defreitas record is on a par with Derek Pringle's which surprises me. Too many to mention from that era though.... Yes I always had similar thoughts on Phil Defreitas , I always thought he would have done better than he did , he so often flattered to decieve , great pity . I never reall thought that Capel was any where near Botham, neither did Beefy and I believe he said so too .
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 29, 2014 0:41:23 GMT
I sadly modelled my early batting on Christopher James Tavaré Surely not ! But if that's true please accept my humblest apologies , it's nothing personal I assure you Sadly it's true. My cricket heroes were Tavaré (for my batting) and Botham (for my bowling - but ITB when he'd lost most of his pace!) Apologies accepted mate!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 0:58:06 GMT
Surely not ! But if that's true please accept my humblest apologies , it's nothing personal I assure you Sadly it's true. My cricket heroes were Tavaré (for my batting) and Botham (for my bowling - but ITB when he'd lost most of his pace!) Apologies accepted mate! Botham was not a bad hero to have mate.......he always describes himself as a bowler but he has about a dozen Test Centuries under his belt as well
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 29, 2014 1:10:59 GMT
Sadly it's true. My cricket heroes were Tavaré (for my batting) and Botham (for my bowling - but ITB when he'd lost most of his pace!) Apologies accepted mate! Botham was not a bad hero to have mate.......he always describes himself as a bowler but he has about a dozen Test Centuries under his belt as well ...but unfortunately I had the mullet to go with it! ITB was one of the few English all rounders who were genuine all rounders - I.e. would have been picked for their bowling (definitely) or for their batting (probably). Averaging 34 with the bat and 28 with the ball wasn't too bad was it? Especially when you compare to Freddy (who is the only all rounder to come close to him since) who averaged 32 with the bat, and 33 with the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 1:57:33 GMT
Botham was not a bad hero to have mate.......he always describes himself as a bowler but he has about a dozen Test Centuries under his belt as well ...but unfortunately I had the mullet to go with it! ITB was one of the few English all rounders who were genuine all rounders - I.e. would have been picked for their bowling (definitely) or for their batting (probably). Averaging 34 with the bat and 28 with the ball wasn't too bad was it? Especially when you compare to Freddy (who is the only all rounder to come close to him since) who averaged 32 with the bat, and 33 with the ball. He is the only one who I would regard as a genuine English all rounder .....possibly Greig but his bowling wasn't really in that class .....Flintoff maybe .....only towards the end of his career was his bowling really effective .....Botham had genuine quality with the bat , a sound technique and he hit marvellously straight ....he really for his ability should have had an average around the 40 mark similar to Greig
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Post by 2004 on Nov 29, 2014 7:21:22 GMT
England having a shit start to the day so far
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 29, 2014 8:23:17 GMT
...but unfortunately I had the mullet to go with it! ITB was one of the few English all rounders who were genuine all rounders - I.e. would have been picked for their bowling (definitely) or for their batting (probably). Averaging 34 with the bat and 28 with the ball wasn't too bad was it? Especially when you compare to Freddy (who is the only all rounder to come close to him since) who averaged 32 with the bat, and 33 with the ball. He is the only one who I would regard as a genuine English all rounder .....possibly Greig but his bowling wasn't really in that class .....Flintoff maybe .....only towards the end of his career was his bowling really effective .....Botham had genuine quality with the bat , a sound technique and he hit marvellously straight ....he really for his ability should have had an average around the 40 mark similar to Greig He was also a brilliant slip fielder. Joint second with MCC on 120 catches in tests just one behind Andrew Strauss. When you consider how much bowling he did its a remarkable stat. Bat, bowl, field - he could do the lot. Although I agree you'd think his batting average should be higher, in his defence he had a lot of games against the Windies when they had those frighteningly awesome pace attacks and none (or very few) against the likes of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 29, 2014 8:33:21 GMT
England having a shit start to the day so far Not the best news to wake up to. We look hopeless. Edit; 185 all out of 43 overs is hopeless. Of course, we still have to see how our bowlers get on but, I reckon there's more chance of Sri Lanka knocking this off without losing a wicket than England mounting a successful defence of that total.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 10:40:45 GMT
England having a shit start to the day so far Not the best news to wake up to. We look hopeless. Edit; 185 all out of 43 overs is hopeless. Of course, we still have to see how our bowlers get on but, I reckon there's more chance of Sri Lanka knocking this off without losing a wicket than England mounting a successful defence of that total. It's going to be a long winter watching these ODI's I fear .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 10:43:30 GMT
He is the only one who I would regard as a genuine English all rounder .....possibly Greig but his bowling wasn't really in that class .....Flintoff maybe .....only towards the end of his career was his bowling really effective .....Botham had genuine quality with the bat , a sound technique and he hit marvellously straight ....he really for his ability should have had an average around the 40 mark similar to Greig He was also a brilliant slip fielder. Joint second with MCC on 120 catches in tests just one behind Andrew Strauss. When you consider how much bowling he did its a remarkable stat. Bat, bowl, field - he could do the lot. Although I agree you'd think his batting average should be higher, in his defence he had a lot of games against the Windies when they had those frighteningly awesome pace attacks and none (or very few) against the likes of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Yes I'd agree with all of that , he was a fine slip fielder and a little unorthodox in his method , I certainly don't remember him spilling many .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 10:47:20 GMT
England having a shit start to the day so far A reasonable performance the other day , then we are back to the usual England one day fayre ......poor stuff
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 29, 2014 11:14:07 GMT
We don't seem at all prepared for the conditions (and that's to be expected when most of the squad had little or no warm up games).
So we go into this tour and start losing because we're not prepared, lose more confidence and make it much more difficult. If this is to get us ready for the World Cup it really is a bit half arsed.
We're not that good a ODI side to be fair and need to be getting things right to give us any chance at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 12:16:10 GMT
A great start to the weekend .....
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