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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 2:27:02 GMT
Jordan's figures from that tour game. O M R W Econ 5 0 48 0 9.50 (1nb, 5w) Not very encouraging, the problems he looked to have had with his action against India look to be a long term thing unfortunately. Our coaches need to earn their salary then ....The lad is an undoubted talent , get to work on him !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 2:29:23 GMT
Well we are bound to play in the World Cup....but a winter of no test cricket s disapointing ....even the West Indies tour in March does not get the juices rolling ...how times have changed That tour to the West Indies might not even happen either West Indies Eh?....MONEY MAD .....I understand where they are coming from ...But it's causing chaos
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 2:31:40 GMT
Well we are bound to play in the World Cup....but a winter of no test cricket s disapointing ....even the West Indies tour in March does not get the juices rolling ...how times have changed That tour to the West Indies might not even happen either Nice to hear from you again mate , have you been hibernating since August ?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 24, 2014 2:34:38 GMT
That tour to the West Indies might not even happen either Nice to hear from you again mate , have you been hibernating since August ? Hahaha you too pal of course, I stick my head out every Saturday at 3 for a bit but other than that well you know How about yourself good sir?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 2:38:38 GMT
I don't agree at all ....if you have a guy at the top of the order who goes the distance and gets a ton .....big hitting from the other end should ensure that 300 is within reason as a total ....but having said that 300 isn't that as formidable a target as it once was ......as for the sacrifice , it rather seems the opposite Cook was the man in possession ....it would appear that Hales has been sacrificed to accommodate Moeen at the top of the order.....at the end of the day we are not going to agree on this point as you have a problem with Alistair Cook as a cricketer and a captain , you have said you would like him removed as captain in both forms of the game and you lobbied strongly for him to be dropped from the side as an opening batsman as well.....you may well get your wish if we have a poor winter in the ODI's ....for me England will always be a more formidable side with an inform and prolific Cook at the top of the order , but it's all about opinions and that's quite right ....open discussion on the subject will always be welcomed from my point of view .....provided it's a constructive discussion Just to be clear. I've no problem with Cook as an opening batsman at test level although his performances for some time have been less than he would expect of himself. It's as a captain in any form of the game, and as an ODI player I have concerns. Simply put, he has yet to demonstrate the same success in those positions as he has done as a test match opening batsman. And that is putting it mildly as well as simply. A captain shouldn't default to being the best player in the team; think Botham, Flintoff, Pietersen. No reason Cook has to be captain. Furthermore, it's possible that his recent poor test batting could be improved if he wasn't captain. There is no doubt in my mind that captaining and opening in test cricket is a tough gig. I think Strauss's batting suffered while he was captain in those circumstances, and the same may be happening to Cook. It looks like that to me to some degree at least; it ain't all just form and technique, I think it's also distraction. An opening test bat needs focus. Ask Boycs who has spoken about this often. I'd rather Cook focussed his efforts on what he is best at, and what he'll be most remembered for. As for the need for a fulcrum at the top of the batting in ODI's; we'll have to disagree. But as evidence for my argument I'll cite India and Australia. These sides go hard at the first 10 overs and have opening batsmen who can go over the infield early in their innings and play the ball in areas the bowler isn't protecting. There has been excellent analysis of Cook in the last series against India that shows he plays along the ground and in predictable areas eg he plays a ball on or outside off into the off side. Maybe he's learned from that series how to open an ODI innings in this new age where the influence of T20 has pushed a par ODI score up by 60-70 runs. Let's see. Modernists like yourself should be shot .....I love the bubble that I live within ......PLEASE GO away ....it is forever 1975 in my eyes !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 2:42:48 GMT
Nice to hear from you again mate , have you been hibernating since August ? Hahaha you too pal of course, I stick my head out every Saturday at 3 for a bit but other than that well you know How about yourself good sir? Fiine mate thanks , just dying for a test match ......PROPER CRICKET ,
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2014 7:00:22 GMT
Just to be clear. I've no problem with Cook as an opening batsman at test level although his performances for some time have been less than he would expect of himself. It's as a captain in any form of the game, and as an ODI player I have concerns. Simply put, he has yet to demonstrate the same success in those positions as he has done as a test match opening batsman. And that is putting it mildly as well as simply. A captain shouldn't default to being the best player in the team; think Botham, Flintoff, Pietersen. No reason Cook has to be captain. Furthermore, it's possible that his recent poor test batting could be improved if he wasn't captain. There is no doubt in my mind that captaining and opening in test cricket is a tough gig. I think Strauss's batting suffered while he was captain in those circumstances, and the same may be happening to Cook. It looks like that to me to some degree at least; it ain't all just form and technique, I think it's also distraction. An opening test bat needs focus. Ask Boycs who has spoken about this often. I'd rather Cook focussed his efforts on what he is best at, and what he'll be most remembered for. As for the need for a fulcrum at the top of the batting in ODI's; we'll have to disagree. But as evidence for my argument I'll cite India and Australia. These sides go hard at the first 10 overs and have opening batsmen who can go over the infield early in their innings and play the ball in areas the bowler isn't protecting. There has been excellent analysis of Cook in the last series against India that shows he plays along the ground and in predictable areas eg he plays a ball on or outside off into the off side. Maybe he's learned from that series how to open an ODI innings in this new age where the influence of T20 has pushed a par ODI score up by 60-70 runs. Let's see. Modernists like yourself should be shot .....I love the bubble that I live within ......PLEASE GO away ....it is forever 1975 in my eyes ! LOL But 1975? That's the year ODIs became an integral part of international cricket with the first World Cup. Who could forget that amazing final, Lloyd's century, Richard's run outs..., or England's collapse at Headingly against Australia in the semi final or Sunil Gavaskar's astonishing knock in India's group game against England. Chasing 334, Gavaskar's carried his bat for 60 overs (as it was in those golden olden days!) scoring 36 runs off 174 balls. That's one scoring record that will never be beaten - even by Mr Cook. It wasn't either a good year for English test cricket - beaten at home by Australia on the back of an appalling tour down under. Our highlight being a grey haired county stalwart with amazing tenacity to hold onto his wicket. Although, if I recall correctly, he did quite fancy the hook shot as I recall. Mind you, if those "Free George Davis" protestors hadn't decided to use the Headingley wicket as a place for a media stunt we might have drawn that series! 40 years on that still rankles. Those memories apart, I'm with you on your main point Bish. Test cricket is what the sport is all about. T20 is simply froth; crash, bang, wallop. I do think it is having a positive impact on ODIs which were drifting into a formulaic bore but have now seem to have rediscovered some vitality. But it is having a negative effect on test cricket, through its distorting financial impact but also limiting player development so that many don't develop the skills they need to play test cricket. For some reason West Indies' players come to mind here, the likes of Pollard and Narine for example.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 11:20:31 GMT
Modernists like yourself should be shot .....I love the bubble that I live within ......PLEASE GO away ....it is forever 1975 in my eyes ! LOL But 1975? That's the year ODIs became an integral part of international cricket with the first World Cup. Who could forget that amazing final, Lloyd's century, Richard's run outs..., or England's collapse at Headingly against Australia in the semi final or Sunil Gavaskar's astonishing knock in India's group game against England. Chasing 334, Gavaskar's carried his bat for 60 overs (as it was in those golden olden days!) scoring 36 runs off 174 balls. That's one scoring record that will never be beaten - even by Mr Cook. It wasn't either a good year for English test cricket - beaten at home by Australia on the back of an appalling tour down under. Our highlight being a grey haired county stalwart with amazing tenacity to hold onto his wicket. Although, if I recall correctly, he did quite fancy the hook shot as I recall. Mind you, if those "Free George Davis" protestors hadn't decided to use the Headingley wicket as a place for a media stunt we might have drawn that series! 40 years on that still rankles. Those memories apart, I'm with you on your main point Bish. Test cricket is what the sport is all about. T20 is simply froth; crash, bang, wallop. I do think it is having a positive impact on ODIs which were drifting into a formulaic bore but have now seem to have rediscovered some vitality. But it is having a negative effect on test cricket, through its distorting financial impact but also limiting player development so that many don't develop the skills they need to play test cricket. For some reason West Indies' players come to mind here, the likes of Pollard and Narine for example. Yes I remember that collapse against Australia .....Gary Gilmour was the perpetrator who has sadly passed away recently ......left arm over the wicket moving it both ways , a devastating spell of bowling on a typical Headingley pitch from that era .....I think that was a fine Australian side in 1975 ....As I remember they hammered the West Indies 5-1 the winter after they beat us . in retrospect after having lost the first test badly at Edgbaston ( which cost Denness the captaincy) under Tony Greig we performed pretty well for the rest of the series and as you say would probably have drawn the series if the match at Leeds had run its course .....some highlights were a fine 175 from Edrich at Lord's and a wonderful 96 from Greig in the same game plus the series was a return to side for John Snow In my mind the best English fast bowler I have seen ( I can remember Trueman ,but he was at the end of his career ) ...so for me '75 wasn't so bad ......'76 however was another story !
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 24, 2014 14:01:53 GMT
Whichever way it goes chaps, it will soon be time to say goodbye to Mahela Jayawardene and Kumar Sangakkara, two greats of the modern game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 14:19:00 GMT
Whichever way it goes chaps, it will soon be time to say goodbye to Mahela Jayawardene and Kumar Sangakkara, two greats of the modern game. Yes two who I think they will find it very difficult to replace for some time .
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 25, 2014 9:31:40 GMT
So, are they trying to pull together this team for the World Cup:
1 Cook 2 Moeen 3 Root 4 Bell 5 Morgan 6 Bopara 7 Buttler 8 Stoke/Woakes/Jordan 9 Broad 10 Finn 11 Anderson?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 25, 2014 12:35:25 GMT
So, are they trying to pull together this team for the World Cup: 1 Cook 2 Moeen 3 Root 4 Bell 5 Morgan 6 Bopara 7 Buttler 8 Stoke/Woakes/Jordan 9 Broad 10 Finn 11 Anderson? Could well be. And it looks quite good. But it could be better - need to find room for Hayles and Taylor.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 25, 2014 13:35:17 GMT
So, are they trying to pull together this team for the World Cup: 1 Cook 2 Moeen 3 Root 4 Bell 5 Morgan 6 Bopara 7 Buttler 8 Stoke/Woakes/Jordan 9 Broad 10 Finn 11 Anderson? Could well be. And it looks quite good. But it could be better - need to find room for Hayles and Taylor. I agree. But can't see them dropping Cook and Bell.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 26, 2014 11:15:05 GMT
Same old, same old. SL 101-0 after 19. Pretty chanceless too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 11:26:47 GMT
Same old, same old. SL 101-0 after 19. Pretty chanceless too. Some pretty ordinary bowling from us , this attack we have on show is hardly up to international standard .....mediocre
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 11:33:08 GMT
A run out looked about the only way we were going to get a wicket !
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 26, 2014 11:33:52 GMT
That was very nice of them.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 26, 2014 11:40:25 GMT
Beautiful Moeen Ali, one great gone, another to go.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 11:44:31 GMT
Beautiful Moeen Ali, one great gone, another to go. Terrific delivery from Mooen that one
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 26, 2014 12:16:52 GMT
162 -2 after 30 overs. So doing the old trick of doubling the 30 over score gives a likely batting target of 320+/-.
I'm quite happy with this because I want to see our batting exercised by chasing down some big totals.
Edit: meaning batsmen who can score big (like Cook) can also score quickly and batsmen who can score quickly (most of the rest) can also score big! The point being that successful ODI teams have batsmen that score both big and quick, not one or t'other!
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 26, 2014 14:32:51 GMT
Well the old rule of thumb of doubling the 30 over score to give you the final score worked again!
318 is a good tough target.
11-0 of the first three ain't the best (or indeed worst) start. First check point is 10 overs; too early to judge Cook's start of 4 of 13 balls.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 14:58:50 GMT
Well the old rule of thumb of doubling the 30 over score to give you the final score worked again! 318 is a good tough target. 11-0 of the first three ain't the best (or indeed worst) start. First check point is 10 overs; too early to judge Cook's start of 4 of 13 balls. Cook has looked out of sorts today , playing the wrong line and his timing is well out of sorts , there was no way that delivery from Dilshan should have dismissed him .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 15:01:52 GMT
A smart 50 from Moeen Ali .
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 26, 2014 15:08:32 GMT
Well the old rule of thumb of doubling the 30 over score to give you the final score worked again! 318 is a good tough target. 11-0 of the first three ain't the best (or indeed worst) start. First check point is 10 overs; too early to judge Cook's start of 4 of 13 balls. Cook has looked out of sorts today , playing the wrong line and his timing is well out of sorts , there was no way that delivery from Dilshan should have dismissed him . It's very sad watching him like this. On the positive side he has a good run of games to sort himself out. If he can't, then the axe must fall. I know that's pressure, but the same applies, and should apply, to everyone. On the positive side Ali is doing very well. You can see the bowlers who were confident against Cook are much less sure against Ali. Nice to see Bell has started well. He has to continue though. There are two very good batsmen in the wings; Taylor and Hayles who have made strong arguments through their performances in the summer to be in the ODI 11.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 15:17:28 GMT
Cook has looked out of sorts today , playing the wrong line and his timing is well out of sorts , there was no way that delivery from Dilshan should have dismissed him . It's very sad watching him like this. On the positive side he has a good run of games to sort himself out. If he can't, then the axe must fall. I know that's pressure, but the same applies, and should apply, to everyone. On the positive side Ali is doing very well. You can see the bowlers who were confident against Cook are much less sure against Ali. Nice to see Bell has started well. He has to continue though. There are two very good batsmen in the wings; Taylor and Hayles who have made strong arguments through their performances in the summer to be in the ODI 11. Well I can't argue with you on that , I want to see Cook continue in the side , but he's got to get himself back in the groove soon , he looked to be struggling to put bat on ball today.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 26, 2014 15:34:06 GMT
He's some player this Moeen lad, just tonked one of the world's top spinners for two consecutive sixes.
121-2 off 17
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 26, 2014 15:36:31 GMT
Rooty
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 26, 2014 15:46:04 GMT
As long as Moeen stay there we have this in the bag - surely?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 16:23:56 GMT
As long as Moeen stay there we have this in the bag - surely? Not sure about it being in the bag .....but we are in with a shout , he has played tremendously well today a terrific hundred
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Post by 2004 on Nov 26, 2014 16:28:38 GMT
Well done Moeen
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