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Post by partickpotter on Nov 29, 2014 12:25:23 GMT
A great start to the weekend ..... Just back from my son's football to learn England, unsurprisingly, lost. On the plus side, he scored a hat trick of headers in a 5-0 win. Overall then I'm in quite a good mood. Let's hope it stays that way after this afternoon's game at Anfield!
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 29, 2014 12:31:31 GMT
A great start to the weekend ..... Let's hope this afternoon improves the mood somewhat. England losing and Stoke winning still equals happy bunny! With our bowling attack the only way we're going win matches is for the batting to fire. We need Hales and Taylor in to replace Cook and Bell/Morgan. We have to have a batting line-up that can get 300+ regularly to give us a chance.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 29, 2014 12:39:05 GMT
Our ODI team are cack, Stoke have more chance of a Premiership, FA C up double, than England have of winning the ODI in Aus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 13:48:25 GMT
Our ODI team are cack, Stoke have more chance of a Premiershi,p FA C up double, than England have of winning the ODI in Aus. you wish
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 13:49:33 GMT
A great start to the weekend ..... Just back from my son's football to learn England, unsurprisingly, lost. On the plus side, he scored a hat trick of headers in a 5-0 win. Overall then I'm in quite a good mood. Let's hope it stays that way after this afternoon's game at Anfield! Well done to your son mate
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 13:51:24 GMT
A great start to the weekend ..... Let's hope this afternoon improves the mood somewhat. England losing and Stoke winning still equals happy bunny! With our bowling attack the only way we're going win matches is for the batting to fire. We need Hales and Taylor in to replace Cook and Bell/Morgan. We have to have a batting line-up that can get 300+ regularly to give us a chance. A point you make .....it's not going to happen any time soon I feel, certainly not regarding Cook .
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Post by citystoke19 on Nov 29, 2014 14:12:40 GMT
Cook needs to step down as ODI Captain in my eyes for us to think about winning the world cup. Let him concentrate on Test Cricket. I also think that we need to bring back KP but that isnt going to happen
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 14:17:45 GMT
Cook needs to step down as ODI Captain in my eyes for us to think about winning the world cup. Let him concentrate on Test Cricket. I also think that we need to bring back KP but that isnt going to happen Cook will not step down at least until the World Cup is over......possibly he may then bow to all the undoubted pressure he will again come under ...If I was him I would for my own peace of mind . Pietersen's day is done he has pretty much seen to that himself ...time to move on from him .
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Post by citystoke19 on Nov 29, 2014 14:43:32 GMT
Cook needs to step down as ODI Captain in my eyes for us to think about winning the world cup. Let him concentrate on Test Cricket. I also think that we need to bring back KP but that isnt going to happen Cook will not step down at least until the World Cup is over......possibly he may then bow to all the undoubted pressure he will again come under ...If I was him I would for my own peace of mind . Pietersen's day is done he has pretty much seen to that himself ...time to move on from him . Yeah I know, Just frustrating to watch.. Especially watching the bowlers basic line and length deliveries we cant right. For me the world cup is already over.
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Post by 2004 on Nov 29, 2014 18:25:17 GMT
sigh
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 21:57:59 GMT
I've been sighing for years where our cricket is concerned ......but I still keep coming back for more
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 3, 2014 0:16:09 GMT
Next ODI on Wednesday morning. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30259909I think if we suffer another heavy loss, Cook really needs to consider his position. Sometimes as a leader you need to consider what is best for the team rather than putting your own ambitions and feelings first. If this continues it's going to be very uncomfortable for him and damage what little chance we have. That saying, I hope he can do it - but they're are few signs (queue a 100 from Cook and a win - I hope).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 0:35:18 GMT
Next ODI on Wednesday morning. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30259909I think if we suffer another heavy loss, Cook really needs to consider his position. Sometimes as a leader you need to consider what is best for the team rather than putting your own ambitions and feelings first. If this continues it's going to be very uncomfortable for him and damage what little chance we have. That saying, I hope he can do it - but they're are few signs (queue a 100 from Cook and a win - I hope). It's very unlikely to happen until the World Cup is over ,so people and the media are wasting their time constantly talking about it ......Hales and Taylor really need to be in the team , Cook is going to play so him and Hales to open , Moeen down to three replacing Bell and Taylor coming in for Morgan.....I'm not sure it will happen but that would be what I would consider .
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 3, 2014 0:57:11 GMT
Next ODI on Wednesday morning. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30259909I think if we suffer another heavy loss, Cook really needs to consider his position. Sometimes as a leader you need to consider what is best for the team rather than putting your own ambitions and feelings first. If this continues it's going to be very uncomfortable for him and damage what little chance we have. That saying, I hope he can do it - but they're are few signs (queue a 100 from Cook and a win - I hope). It's very unlikely to happen until the World Cup is over ,so people and the media are wasting their time constantly talking about it ......Hales and Taylor really need to be in the team , Cook is going to play so him and Hales to open , Moeen down to three replacing Bell and Taylor coming in for Morgan.....I'm not sure it will happen but that would be what I would consider . I think you're probably right mate - but any player who is so horribly out of form combined with a captain who can't win - is obviously going to be under pressure to be changed. I think a break would also do Cook a world of good. Given that constraint - I think your changes would be for the best. You just need to sort the bowling attack now. Please!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 1:17:39 GMT
It's very unlikely to happen until the World Cup is over ,so people and the media are wasting their time constantly talking about it ......Hales and Taylor really need to be in the team , Cook is going to play so him and Hales to open , Moeen down to three replacing Bell and Taylor coming in for Morgan.....I'm not sure it will happen but that would be what I would consider . I think you're probably right mate - but any player who is so horribly out of form combined with a captain who can't win - is obviously going to be under pressure to be changed. I think a break would also do Cook a world of good. Given that constraint - I think your changes would be for the best. You just need to sort the bowling attack now. Please! He is out of form , no doubt about that .....when he is playing well I think he would be making a much better contribution as a batsman .....not hitting the cover off it as that will never be his way, and it's obvious that form thing will carry over into the captaincy .....but he obviously thinks he can do it ....I don't think it's his ego , he believes in his own ability and so do the management and also we are lead to believe the team .....so that's that....but I agree now that I would like to see him take a break to enable him to regain his appetite and sparkle for Test Cricket ......The bowling ! Good grief ...Finn is obviously a step in the right direction ....without Anderson and Broad to accompany him we look a sorry bunch ....Gurney, Woakes , Stokes and Jordan ....Take your pick ! . The first two I don't think are international bowlers ( but they like Woakes ) ...Stokes at best is a handy third seamer .....Jordan who I think is the pick of them is struggling with technical issues concerning his action ....if he can with help ( it doesn't look much like he's getting any ) then he's a prospect still.....spin apart from Moeen , the cupboard is bare .....Tredwell ? Mediocre ......the bowling for me is more of a concern than the batting .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 10:23:40 GMT
Looks like a monsoon type rainstorm may have done for today's play
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 3, 2014 10:40:59 GMT
Looks like a monsoon type rainstorm may have done for today's play Sadly. TMS said first thing that there were blue skies and the prospect of a full days play. Guess this is what happens when you tour in the rainy season though!
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 3, 2014 10:44:29 GMT
I think you're probably right mate - but any player who is so horribly out of form combined with a captain who can't win - is obviously going to be under pressure to be changed. I think a break would also do Cook a world of good. Given that constraint - I think your changes would be for the best. You just need to sort the bowling attack now. Please! He is out of form , no doubt about that .....when he is playing well I think he would be making a much better contribution as a batsman .....not hitting the cover off it as that will never be his way, and it's obvious that form thing will carry over into the captaincy .....but he obviously thinks he can do it ....I don't think it's his ego , he believes in his own ability and so do the management and also we are lead to believe the team .....so that's that....but I agree now that I would like to see him take a break to enable him to regain his appetite and sparkle for Test Cricket ......The bowling ! Good grief ...Finn is obviously a step in the right direction ....without Anderson and Broad to accompany him we look a sorry bunch ....Gurney, Woakes , Stokes and Jordan ....Take your pick ! . The first two I don't think are international bowlers ( but they like Woakes ) ...Stokes at best is a handy third seamer .....Jordan who I think is the pick of them is struggling with technical issues concerning his action ....if he can with help ( it doesn't look much like he's getting any ) then he's a prospect still.....spin apart from Moeen , the cupboard is bare .....Tredwell ? Mediocre ......the bowling for me is more of a concern than the batting . Yep, the bowling is looking pretty weak. As Willis said the other day: it looks a poor county attack. We really must have some better options?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 10:50:06 GMT
Looks like a monsoon type rainstorm may have done for today's play Sadly. TMS said first thing that there were blue skies and the prospect of a full days play. Guess this is what happens when you tour in the rainy season though! Yes odd planning it would seem .....typical ECB
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 10:52:12 GMT
He is out of form , no doubt about that .....when he is playing well I think he would be making a much better contribution as a batsman .....not hitting the cover off it as that will never be his way, and it's obvious that form thing will carry over into the captaincy .....but he obviously thinks he can do it ....I don't think it's his ego , he believes in his own ability and so do the management and also we are lead to believe the team .....so that's that....but I agree now that I would like to see him take a break to enable him to regain his appetite and sparkle for Test Cricket ......The bowling ! Good grief ...Finn is obviously a step in the right direction ....without Anderson and Broad to accompany him we look a sorry bunch ....Gurney, Woakes , Stokes and Jordan ....Take your pick ! . The first two I don't think are international bowlers ( but they like Woakes ) ...Stokes at best is a handy third seamer .....Jordan who I think is the pick of them is struggling with technical issues concerning his action ....if he can with help ( it doesn't look much like he's getting any ) then he's a prospect still.....spin apart from Moeen , the cupboard is bare .....Tredwell ? Mediocre ......the bowling for me is more of a concern than the batting . Yep, the bowling is looking pretty weak. As Willis said the other day: it looks a poor county attack. We really must have some better options? You would have thought so wouldn't you ? I used to complain that Bresnan was hopeless , but he is as good if not better than what we are selecting at the moment .
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 3, 2014 10:57:13 GMT
Yep, the bowling is looking pretty weak. As Willis said the other day: it looks a poor county attack. We really must have some better options? You would have thought so wouldn't you ? I used to complain that Bresnan was hopeless , but he is as good if not better than what we are selecting at the moment . Yep, Bresnan would be a step up. Jordan is a hope but needs to get his radar reset. Shame that Dernbach didn't develop from his early promise. We do seem to be going for the bits and pieces players again then. Could be a great bowler. Could be a great batsman. But not really good enough at either at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 11:10:09 GMT
You would have thought so wouldn't you ? I used to complain that Bresnan was hopeless , but he is as good if not better than what we are selecting at the moment . Yep, Bresnan would be a step up. Jordan is a hope but needs to get his radar reset. Shame that Dernbach didn't develop from his early promise. We do seem to be going for the bits and pieces players again then. Could be a great bowler. Could be a great batsman. But not really good enough at either at the moment. Yes we gone down this route before pack the side with would be all rounders ......it never works
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 11:22:43 GMT
You would have thought so wouldn't you ? I used to complain that Bresnan was hopeless , but he is as good if not better than what we are selecting at the moment . Yep, Bresnan would be a step up. Jordan is a hope but needs to get his radar reset. Shame that Dernbach didn't develop from his early promise. We do seem to be going for the bits and pieces players again then. Could be a great bowler. Could be a great batsman. But not really good enough at either at the moment. Don't mention Dernbach!! Worst cricketer ever.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 12:12:23 GMT
Yep, Bresnan would be a step up. Jordan is a hope but needs to get his radar reset. Shame that Dernbach didn't develop from his early promise. We do seem to be going for the bits and pieces players again then. Could be a great bowler. Could be a great batsman. But not really good enough at either at the moment. Don't mention Dernbach!! Worst cricketer ever..... Never a fan of him myself ......obssesed with the slower ball !
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 3, 2014 12:26:19 GMT
Shame about the rain - hopefully they get some play in today.
Be interesting to see who England open with if it is, as seems likely, a significantly reduced game - say 20 overs.
Also interesting to note how the England management are tying themselves up in knots on selection. Dropping Bell for Hales is just bizarre; Taylor is the obvious alternative. But we of course know why this selection was made and we know what should have happened. Once again it's all about preserving Captain Cook's place in the side.
Appreciate this is going over very old ground, but it doesn't mean we ignore this latest example of folly from the selectors.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 3, 2014 12:34:18 GMT
Yep, Bresnan would be a step up. Jordan is a hope but needs to get his radar reset. Shame that Dernbach didn't develop from his early promise. We do seem to be going for the bits and pieces players again then. Could be a great bowler. Could be a great batsman. But not really good enough at either at the moment. Yes we gone down this route before pack the side with would be all rounders ......it never works Indeed. I've found I agree with much of what Geoff Boycott has to say and his opinion on selection is exactly how I feel. Pick your best batsmen, pick your best bowlers and look to your batters to score the runs and the bowlers to take wickets. Strength in depth is an illusion when those bowlers cost you more than they'll contribute with the bat. The problem of course is who can step in for Anderson and Broad. At the moment it seems virtually all we've got is a load of 4th seamers who can just about bat at #8. A long way from the likes of Botham and Flintoff who were bona fide opening bowlers and #6 batsmen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 12:45:35 GMT
Yes we gone down this route before pack the side with would be all rounders ......it never works Indeed. I've found I agree with much of what Geoff Boycott has to say and his opinion on selection is exactly how I feel. Pick your best batsmen, pick your best bowlers and look to your batters to score the runs and the bowlers to take wickets. Strength in depth is an illusion when those bowlers cost you more than they'll contribute with the bat. The problem of course is who can step in for Anderson and Broad. At the moment it seems virtually all we've got is a load of 4th seamers who can just about bat at #8. A long way from the likes of Botham and Flintoff who were bona fide opening bowlers and #6 batsmen. I agree , your post sums up my feelings as well in a nutshell mate
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 13:10:06 GMT
It's a mentality that English cricket has persisted with for years , that there must be an all rounder in the team to give balance ....this is a myth that has been prolonged because of players like Tony Greig , Ian Botham and to a lesser extent Andrew Flintoff who enjoyed a lot of success .....it's been a object for years to find the next Greig or Botham or Flintoff , it's been such a fruitless task over the years that has ended up with players like Pringle or Capel in the side purely because they were perceived to be" all rounders " , the fact that they were no good didn't seem to matter.....the thing is players of the calibre of Botham and Greig only come around intermittently.....in the absence of them you should not pick inferior models purely for the sake of it.....go for the specialists as you've said batsmen to bat and bowlers to bowl ....we seem to be in danger of falling back into the old way of thinking again .
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 3, 2014 14:21:04 GMT
Don't mention Dernbach!! Worst cricketer ever..... Never a fan of him myself ......obssesed with the slower ball ! Yes - I think his problem was he didn't have a stock ball. It was all trick balls (slow bouncer, slow balls, etc.). It worked for a while but he never developed and kept ahead of the batsmen.
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Post by ukcstokie on Dec 3, 2014 15:05:43 GMT
Woakes bowling well. Stokes looks hopeless.
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