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Post by upthefud on Oct 19, 2014 22:34:03 GMT
And to think you normally talk sense Pulling a player's shirt is against the rules, yes? Yes. 4 penalties a game from now on then
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Post by wuzza on Oct 19, 2014 22:35:43 GMT
There's your problem - it isnt absolutely clear that he dived at all. Hence people dont agree with you.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:36:28 GMT
I can't believe people don't think he dived, it's clear as day. Did he dive? Yes. Was it a penalty? Yes.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:37:03 GMT
Pulling a player's shirt is against the rules, yes? Yes. 4 penalties a game from now on then It should be, though, shouldn't it?
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Post by upthefud on Oct 19, 2014 22:37:38 GMT
There's your problem - it isnt absolutely clear that he dived at all. Hence people dont agree with you. If I go into work on Monday and I fall over in a similar incident: Would you think I had every right to fall over?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:37:57 GMT
I can't believe people don't think he dived, it's clear as day. Did he dive? Yes. Was it a penalty? Yes. Did he dive? Yes. Was it a penalty? No.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:38:27 GMT
Did he dive? Yes. Was it a penalty? Yes. Did he dive? Yes. Was it a penalty? No. So a shirt pull isn't a foul is what you're saying?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:38:54 GMT
There's your problem - it isnt absolutely clear that he dived at all. Hence people dont agree with you. It what way is it not clear? His legs went, they didn't get touched, now if the defender had climbed onto him then fair enough, but he didn't.
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Post by upthefud on Oct 19, 2014 22:39:23 GMT
Yes. 4 penalties a game from now on then It should be, though, shouldn't it? Not really, no. It'll be more stop start than American football
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 22:40:18 GMT
There's your problem - it isnt absolutely clear that he dived at all. Hence people dont agree with you. If I go into work on Monday and I fall over in a similar incident: Would you think I had every right to fall over? If you were running and someone pulled your shirt, yes.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:40:27 GMT
Did he dive? Yes. Was it a penalty? No. So a shirt pull isn't a foul is what you're saying? People grab shirts all over the pitch, if it drags the player back and stops them then fine, but he didn't so in that instance it wasn't a foul for me.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:41:19 GMT
It should be, though, shouldn't it? Not really, no. It'll be more stop start than American football So you want refs to not enforce the rules?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 22:41:28 GMT
There's your problem - it isnt absolutely clear that he dived at all. Hence people dont agree with you. It what way is it not clear? His legs went, they didn't get touched, now if the defender had climbed onto him then fair enough, but he didn't. His shirt was pulled, is that not a foul? .
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Post by wuzza on Oct 19, 2014 22:41:48 GMT
He didnt get touched? Thats an opinion I would disagree with.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 19, 2014 22:43:44 GMT
Moses went down too easily and I don't like to see it.
Equally so did Bony so I will look forward to seeing Monk stay true to his word and drop him next week.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Oct 19, 2014 22:44:36 GMT
I can't believe people don't think he dived, it's clear as day. You really are missing the point aren't you , I don't think anyone is disputing he dived , ITS IRRELEVANT ! A tug in the box is a penalty ( a soft one yes in this case ) Naive defending !
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:45:04 GMT
So a shirt pull isn't a foul is what you're saying? People grab shirts all over the pitch, if it drags the player back and stops them then fine, but he didn't so in that instance it wasn't a foul for me. There's no shades of grey though, the rules state a tug of the shirt is a foul. 'For me' doesn't come into it. The rules are the rules. 'Holding an opponent' is classed as a foul.
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Post by upthefud on Oct 19, 2014 22:46:16 GMT
Not really, no. It'll be more stop start than American football So you want refs to not enforce the rules? Not really, no. The tug on crouch should have been a pen then? What about Sigurdsson, Bego came out and commited himself causing Siggy to lose control, by the letter of the law that's a foul. Penalty? If we watched the game back you'd no doubt see numerous arms across the chest, or feet slightly off the ground. Just apply the rules and use common sense. By your logic Ashley Young never goes down without reason, because he always gets a player to commit
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Post by blackpoolred on Oct 19, 2014 22:46:22 GMT
Ryans was a stone wall penalty, any pulling of shirts in the box preventing a player moving toward the ball should be a penalty, they are, however, hardly ever given. Ryan did go the extra nine yards on this occasion on mauling his man - please don't start coming on the tele winging about the decision, it makes you look like a big girls blouse Ryan. However, Match of the days biased welsh wizard and Monk forgot to mention the clear shirt pull on crouch in the box which was also a stone wall penalty.
Moses shirt was pulled but he went down like a pansy, I would rather lose than win by cheating, please refrain from doing it again Moses, this is Stoke you are playing for now not Chelsea.
I have loved Hughes tenure so far, but please don't start making us a cheating bunch of whinging, diving pansies.
Apologies to Monk and all the Swansea fans who travelled.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:46:25 GMT
I can't believe people don't think he dived, it's clear as day. You really are missing the point aren't you , I don't think anyone is disputing he dived , ITS IRRELEVANT ! A tug in the box is a penalty ( a soft one yes in this case ) Naive defending ! Plenty are.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:47:25 GMT
People grab shirts all over the pitch, if it drags the player back and stops them then fine, but he didn't so in that instance it wasn't a foul for me. There's no shades of grey though, the rules state a tug of the shirt is a foul. 'For me' doesn't come into it. The rules are the rules. 'Holding an opponent' is classed as a foul. There are shades of grey clearly, or there would be penos at every corner.
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Post by upthefud on Oct 19, 2014 22:47:47 GMT
On the subject of Swansea diving, one of their players threw himself to the ground whilst under pressure from Walters in front of the boothen.
A dive is a dive, drop him
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 22:48:14 GMT
some folk must have pretty sad lives to argue post after post on here all night long....christ on a bike!!!
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Post by wuzza on Oct 19, 2014 22:48:58 GMT
Basically it was the sort of penalty thats 'ok' if its awarded to some little starlet running down the wing for Liverpool or Arsenal etc but its just not acceptable to the media when we get the decision.
Moses was moving at pace and the guy grabbed him - the rest is up to the ref. End of story - blimey we should know that by now after the last 5 years !
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:49:25 GMT
So you want refs to not enforce the rules? Not really, no. The tug on crouch should have been a pen then? What about Sigurdsson, Bego came out and commited himself causing Siggy to lose control, by the letter of the law that's a foul. Penalty? If we watched the game back you'd no doubt see numerous arms across the chest, or feet slightly off the ground. Just apply the rules and use common sense. By your logic Ashley Young never goes down without reason, because he always gets a player to commit Erm, no mate. Getting a player to commit isn't the same as blatantly grabbing his shirt, which the rules state is a foul. Yes, the Crouch one should've been given too. Either change the rule or enforce it. You seem to want neither.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 22:49:40 GMT
some folk must have pretty sad lives to argue post after post on here all night long....christ on a bike!!! Discussing opinions and incidents is what this board is for, some people like discussing football.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:50:53 GMT
There's no shades of grey though, the rules state a tug of the shirt is a foul. 'For me' doesn't come into it. The rules are the rules. 'Holding an opponent' is classed as a foul. There are shades of grey clearly, or there would be penos at every corner. Because refs are choosing not to enforce the rules. That's not a good thing. If we want consistency, which I thought we did, then we want the rules enforced don't we?
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Post by hooftastic on Oct 19, 2014 22:52:18 GMT
Was soft, on par with Lampards yesterday yet nothing is made of that.
I'd not have given either, lest we see 20 penalties a game.
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Post by upthefud on Oct 19, 2014 22:52:51 GMT
Not really, no. The tug on crouch should have been a pen then? What about Sigurdsson, Bego came out and commited himself causing Siggy to lose control, by the letter of the law that's a foul. Penalty? If we watched the game back you'd no doubt see numerous arms across the chest, or feet slightly off the ground. Just apply the rules and use common sense. By your logic Ashley Young never goes down without reason, because he always gets a player to commit Erm, no mate. Getting a player to commit isn't the same as blatantly grabbing his shirt, which the rules state is a foul. Yes, the Crouch one should've been given too. Either change the rule or enforce it. You seem to want neither. The six second law still applies to keepers. That's a good 8/9 indirect free kicks I want common sense to be applied and diving to be eradicated
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:54:43 GMT
Erm, no mate. Getting a player to commit isn't the same as blatantly grabbing his shirt, which the rules state is a foul. Yes, the Crouch one should've been given too. Either change the rule or enforce it. You seem to want neither. The six second law still applies to keepers. That's a good 8/9 indirect free kicks I want common sense to be applied and diving to be eradicated 'Common sense' is very much in the eye of the beholder though isn't it? If we want consistency then the only way to do that is by applying the letter of the law. If a player is pulled back in the centre circle you'll see a free kick given but you're saying it should be different in the box?
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