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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 2, 2014 12:20:08 GMT
I love Shawcy and think he deserves a chance for England BUT, his holding at set pieces is a very real blight on his game.
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 2, 2014 12:21:02 GMT
When Stoke had poor managers and poor teams did you hope we got dicked then? I'm English and a football fan, therefore I support England. I've got my tickets for the Slovenia match and I'll be there at Wembley supporting the team. The fact that one of the best English defenders is constantly overlooked reflects poorly on Roy Hodgson and no-one else. There's not much point having a go at the players he does select. Dave, I like you, and I tend to like the stuff that you write, but right now, you sound like one of those overly-patriotic flag wavers who turned up to the Queens Jubilee and loves the Royal Family because they're just so great. Gawd bless ya Mr 'Odgson. For he's a jolly good fellow....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 12:21:33 GMT
90% of fans feel that about Ryan because of the media coverage. How often does Ramsey get mentioned when Ryan is being talked about? How often do they focus on any holding that Ryan does (he's no worse than many centre-halves but the media ignore them)?I expect the England manager to have a mind of his own. Make decision based on his own views. Roy just follows the media steer. i love Ryan to bits but that mate is just utter rubbish!!! we, ourselves, have had many many threads over the last few years specifically saying how much Ryan and huth got away with it and it'd cost us at some point. most other defenders will get in people's way but physically wrestling them after the ball has been put into play just ISN'T something that most other defenders do at all and certainly not to the extent that Ryan does it....i know we're all Stoke fans but that doesn't mean we have to just blatantly lie about things in order to defend our own players! P.S. when Ramsey is mentioned then "The tackle" quite often gets talked about (usually without actually mentioning Ryan's name) but it's very very very rare nowadays that anyone brings up that tackle when Ryan is the subject matter of the conversation or article....again, something that Stoke fans like to drag up as an excuse as and when it suits despite it just not being true. Brings this to mind. "Every single corner in my career"
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 2, 2014 12:21:33 GMT
90% of fans feel that about Ryan because of the media coverage. How often does Ramsey get mentioned when Ryan is being talked about? How often do they focus on any holding that Ryan does (he's no worse than many centre-halves but the media ignore them)?I expect the England manager to have a mind of his own. Make decision based on his own views. Roy just follows the media steer. i love Ryan to bits but that mate is just utter rubbish!!! we, ourselves, have had many many threads over the last few years specifically saying how much Ryan and huth got away with it and it'd cost us at some point. most other defenders will get in people's way but physically wrestling them after the ball has been put into play just ISN'T something that most other defenders do at all and certainly not to the extent that Ryan does it....i know we're all Stoke fans but that doesn't mean we have to just blatantly lie about things in order to defend our own players! P.S. when Ramsey is mentioned then "The tackle" quite often gets talked about (usually without actually mentioning Ryan's name) but it's very very very rare nowadays that anyone brings up that tackle when Ryan is the subject matter of the conversation or article....again, something that Stoke fans like to drag up as an excuse as and when it suits despite it just not being true. Can't agree, other defenders do it just as much as ours, Cahill for example (keeping the England connection going) does it just as much.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 12:22:01 GMT
I really do feel sorry for Ryan it's clear he's not going to get a game under this bumbling cock.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 12:23:59 GMT
When Stoke had poor managers and poor teams did you hope we got dicked then? I'm English and a football fan, therefore I support England. I've got my tickets for the Slovenia match and I'll be there at Wembley supporting the team. The fact that one of the best English defenders is constantly overlooked reflects poorly on Roy Hodgson and no-one else. There's not much point having a go at the players he does select. Dave, I like you, and I tend to like the stuff that you write, but right now, you sound like one of those overly-patriotic flag wavers who turned up to the Queens Jubilee and loves the Royal Family because they're just so great. as opposed to looking like a child spitting their dummy out, throwing a tantrum and refusing to support their national side because a player they like hasn't been picked you mean??? there are plenty of other sides out there who haven't had players picked for England as well, many will see some of their players in the same way we see Ryan. the difference is though that the fans of those teams on their messageboards aren't as paranoid, constantly angry with the world and small time as some on here are. Dave is COMPLETELY correct, for people to suddenly decided to not support a team (internationally or domestically) because they haven't got their own way is ridiculously fickle and childish and absolutely no better than supporting a team because they DO do exactly what people want. it's not really any different to being a gloryhunter in principle...they support teams because of success they have and no other reason; people on here will support a team only if they get what they want. pathetic really and just shows what "Real" supporters of the England team people actually are (and if they're not and don't give a shit about the national team then why is it always them who start threads about england in the first place??? )
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Post by superscfc on Oct 2, 2014 12:26:17 GMT
i love Ryan to bits but that mate is just utter rubbish!!! we, ourselves, have had many many threads over the last few years specifically saying how much Ryan and huth got away with it and it'd cost us at some point. most other defenders will get in people's way but physically wrestling them after the ball has been put into play just ISN'T something that most other defenders do at all and certainly not to the extent that Ryan does it....i know we're all Stoke fans but that doesn't mean we have to just blatantly lie about things in order to defend our own players! P.S. when Ramsey is mentioned then "The tackle" quite often gets talked about (usually without actually mentioning Ryan's name) but it's very very very rare nowadays that anyone brings up that tackle when Ryan is the subject matter of the conversation or article....again, something that Stoke fans like to drag up as an excuse as and when it suits despite it just not being true. Can't agree, other defenders do it just as much as ours, Cahill for example (keeping the England connection going) does it just as much. completely agree, arguably the best defender in the league (Kompany) is all over center forwards regularly at set pieces, Ryan is a terrific center half and all center halves cheat at points in all games
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 2, 2014 12:27:16 GMT
Fuck me we are in the shit. Feel sorry for Ryan mind. I wonder if tentative enquiries have been made by Coleman to call him up for the Wales squad, or if the lingering issues with Ramsey would make any chance of a call up practically impossible. I just wish one of the journalists would ask Roy directly. I may bribe one of them at the next press conference.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 12:27:29 GMT
i love Ryan to bits but that mate is just utter rubbish!!! we, ourselves, have had many many threads over the last few years specifically saying how much Ryan and huth got away with it and it'd cost us at some point. most other defenders will get in people's way but physically wrestling them after the ball has been put into play just ISN'T something that most other defenders do at all and certainly not to the extent that Ryan does it....i know we're all Stoke fans but that doesn't mean we have to just blatantly lie about things in order to defend our own players! P.S. when Ramsey is mentioned then "The tackle" quite often gets talked about (usually without actually mentioning Ryan's name) but it's very very very rare nowadays that anyone brings up that tackle when Ryan is the subject matter of the conversation or article....again, something that Stoke fans like to drag up as an excuse as and when it suits despite it just not being true. Can't agree, other defenders do it just as much as ours, Cahill for example (keeping the England connection going) does it just as much. most other defenders DO push it i agree...they tend to pull shirts, give nudges etc. but Ryan is well known for bear hugging players AFTER the ball has been put into play. the vast majority of defenders who "wrestle" do it while the corner/set piece is being set up so the forward doesn't get away from them before the ball has been kicked and doing that isn't an offence. it's the fact that Ryan carries on physically grappling people (in a complete bear hug) AFTER the ball has been kicked that makes him stand out
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 12:32:02 GMT
Dear Sir, Madam,
With the latest England squad just announced and the shocking omission of our captain Ryan Shawcross could I ask what are Stoke City FC doing about the continued snubbing of the best English defender in the Premier League. Are the club actively lobbying the FA and the bumbling fool who is the current manager ( I’m being polite calling him bumbling ) Stoke City FC and in particular the Chairman Peter Coates should tell them how is, there is a bias towards Southampton “cast offs” and anything associated with them ! and he ( the bumbling fool ) picks players on profile rather than form. The constant omission of Ryan really is a disgrace and to add insult to injury he leaves the squad short of two potential players leaving him with only six defenders. Why has the bumbling one never been to the Britannia in his capacity as England manager ? Has the bumbling one been challenged about his continued snubbing of Ryan ?
Please let Ryan know that we believe in him and to keep his head up although it must be tough for him to stomach.
Best of luck Ryan we know how good you are, keep playing as you are and Stoke City and yourself will prosper I have no doubt about that.
Best wishes for the rest of the season, Up The Mighty Potters.
Kind regards
Franklin.
PS feel free to pass this on to the FA and the Bumbling one.
Sorry had to be done :-)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 2, 2014 12:33:02 GMT
Every single team in the land does it. The end.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 12:33:04 GMT
What a knob head. He is complaining about a lack of centre halves! He would of taken more if he could he says.... Fuck off hodgson.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 2, 2014 12:34:57 GMT
To think we have to suspend club football for two weeks to accommodate this dog piss as well. Still, just started Blacklist on Netflix so plenty of time to crack on with it.
I wouldn't bother Sheikhy - it's rubbish.
My initial review is, it's a bit daft, Paul.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 12:35:27 GMT
Can't agree, other defenders do it just as much as ours, Cahill for example (keeping the England connection going) does it just as much. most other defenders DO push it i agree...they tend to pull shirts, give nudges etc. but Ryan is well known for bear hugging players AFTER the ball has been put into play. the vast majority of defenders who "wrestle" do it while the corner/set piece is being set up so the forward doesn't get away from them before the ball has been kicked and doing that isn't an offence. it's the fact that Ryan carries on physically grappling people (in a complete bear hug) AFTER the ball has been kicked that makes him stand out Does he though? I only say that because Hughes explained post QPR that they'd attended a meeting pre-season and you're basically allowed to hold until the ball is in play (or, more accurately, the ref won't give a penalty), and even if the ball doesn't come near you. I watched Ryan closely against Newcastle and he does seem to let go, eventually.
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Post by Gods on Oct 2, 2014 12:37:25 GMT
This owl faced twerp is a stubborn old git.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 12:43:09 GMT
most other defenders DO push it i agree...they tend to pull shirts, give nudges etc. but Ryan is well known for bear hugging players AFTER the ball has been put into play. the vast majority of defenders who "wrestle" do it while the corner/set piece is being set up so the forward doesn't get away from them before the ball has been kicked and doing that isn't an offence. it's the fact that Ryan carries on physically grappling people (in a complete bear hug) AFTER the ball has been kicked that makes him stand out Does he though? I only say that because Hughes explained post QPR that they'd attended a meeting pre-season and you're basically allowed to hold until the ball is in play (or, more accurately, the ref won't give a penalty), and even if the ball doesn't come near you. I watched Ryan closely against Newcastle and he does seem to let go, eventually. i highly doubt the bit about the ball coming near you being a reason for it to be allowed....if you do that anywhere else on the pitch (i.e. grab onto a player and refuse to let them be a part of an attack) then it's an off the ball incident that the ref can (and regularly does) call you up on and award free kicks/give yellow cards for. i agree that you CAN hold the player before the ball is kicked and all defenders do that to ensure the player doesn't steal a march on you but Ryan almost always continue to actually bear hug the player AFTER the ball has been put into play. we can't have threads (like we did a couple of days ago)about Ryan holding people where pretty much everyone said he needs to stop it and then just forget about it because it doesn't suit the current argument going on on another thread.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 12:43:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 13:00:55 GMT
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 2, 2014 13:02:11 GMT
My position re England is that same as that banner the Newcastle fans unfurled at the Brit on Monday night -I support the team, but not the manager. How he can complain about a lack of centre halves yet steadfastly ignore one of the best 3/4 centre halves in the Premier League over the past 5 years beggars belief.
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Post by 2004 on Oct 2, 2014 13:02:26 GMT
So 75% of one of the worst defences in the league gets picked but the captain of the 2nd best doesn't. Like my arse Hodgson.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 2, 2014 13:03:25 GMT
90% of fans feel that about Ryan because of the media coverage. How often does Ramsey get mentioned when Ryan is being talked about? How often do they focus on any holding that Ryan does (he's no worse than many centre-halves but the media ignore them)?I expect the England manager to have a mind of his own. Make decision based on his own views. Roy just follows the media steer. i love Ryan to bits but that mate is just utter rubbish!!! we, ourselves, have had many many threads over the last few years specifically saying how much Ryan and huth got away with it and it'd cost us at some point. most other defenders will get in people's way but physically wrestling them after the ball has been put into play just ISN'T something that most other defenders do at all and certainly not to the extent that Ryan does it....i know we're all Stoke fans but that doesn't mean we have to just blatantly lie about things in order to defend our own players! P.S. when Ramsey is mentioned then "The tackle" quite often gets talked about (usually without actually mentioning Ryan's name) but it's very very very rare nowadays that anyone brings up that tackle when Ryan is the subject matter of the conversation or article....again, something that Stoke fans like to drag up as an excuse as and when it suits despite it just not being true. Terry holds as much as Ryan. Skirttle far more than Ryan. Media don't make much out of it at all though. Just for starters. I've heard the Ramsey incident mentioned many times so far this season. It took them about 5 minutes into the Sky coverage at Hull to mention it. Mentioned several times on MoTD2 when discussing Ryan a few weeks ago.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 2, 2014 13:06:52 GMT
i love Ryan to bits but that mate is just utter rubbish!!! we, ourselves, have had many many threads over the last few years specifically saying how much Ryan and huth got away with it and it'd cost us at some point. most other defenders will get in people's way but physically wrestling them after the ball has been put into play just ISN'T something that most other defenders do at all and certainly not to the extent that Ryan does it....i know we're all Stoke fans but that doesn't mean we have to just blatantly lie about things in order to defend our own players! P.S. when Ramsey is mentioned then "The tackle" quite often gets talked about (usually without actually mentioning Ryan's name) but it's very very very rare nowadays that anyone brings up that tackle when Ryan is the subject matter of the conversation or article....again, something that Stoke fans like to drag up as an excuse as and when it suits despite it just not being true. Brings this to mind. "Every single corner in my career" No Neville is wrong. Ryan is the only one doing it. Just ask Mick.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 2, 2014 13:08:56 GMT
I love Shawcy and think he deserves a chance for England BUT, the media coverage of his holding at set pieces is a very real blight on his game. I've corrected it for you Joe
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 2, 2014 13:12:38 GMT
Can't agree, other defenders do it just as much as ours, Cahill for example (keeping the England connection going) does it just as much. most other defenders DO push it i agree...they tend to pull shirts, give nudges etc. but Ryan is well known for bear hugging players AFTER the ball has been put into play. the vast majority of defenders who "wrestle" do it while the corner/set piece is being set up so the forward doesn't get away from them before the ball has been kicked and doing that isn't an offence. it's the fact that Ryan carries on physically grappling people (in a complete bear hug) AFTER the ball has been kicked that makes him stand out So if Ryan is well known for doing it after the ball is in play - why hasn't he given loads of penalties away? Refs are obviously watching him. The cameras single him out for attention more than any other defender in the league. So why haven't we conceded dozens of penalties please?
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 2, 2014 13:18:26 GMT
I love Shawcy and think he deserves a chance for England BUT, the media coverage of his holding at set pieces is a very real blight on his game. I've corrected it for you Joe No correcting required. I meant what I said. I'm not going to just pretend any flaw mentioned is a media witch hunt.
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Post by superscfc on Oct 2, 2014 13:26:20 GMT
City fans I know think he should be in the squad
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 2, 2014 13:32:37 GMT
Meh, not bothered. England are shite. I hope we get absolutely dicked on. Ryan will remain fit and fresh for us and continue to have an excellent season. When Stoke had poor managers and poor teams did you hope we got dicked then? I'm English and a football fan, therefore I support England. I've got my tickets for the Slovenia match and I'll be there at Wembley supporting the team. The fact that one of the best English defenders is constantly overlooked reflects poorly on Roy Hodgson and no-one else. There's not much point having a go at the players he does select. I respect your standpoint Dave and admire you going to the games, but as metalhead says England are shite. Its not Roys fault he has sub-standard players to choose from, you play the cards youre dealt. The thing that sticks in my throat and still does is the performance at the World Cup. Ive put down in words my thoughts a couple of times on other threads, so Im not gonna paw over that again. Ryan wasnt part of the set up then. My feelings towards the group and manager have no bearing as to whether Ryan is OR isnt in the squad. Its a damning indictement of the England talent pool when hes picking some of the utter dross on that sheet. The whole lot lot can go and fuck 'emselves. Lifes too short to watch shit like that
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Post by coates on Oct 2, 2014 13:40:07 GMT
If he played for United it would be a different story, also if the ridiculous overreaction after that tackle had never happened either.
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Post by mattythestokie on Oct 2, 2014 13:40:38 GMT
If he doesn't get called up against the likes of San Marino and Estonia, I fear he won't be called up against anyone.
These games should be used for experimenting the fringe players. Simple as.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 2, 2014 13:43:23 GMT
If he doesn't get called up against the likes of San Marino and Estonia, I fear he won't be called up against anyone. These games should be used for experimenting the fringe players. Simple as. Agree 100%
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