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Post by jeycov on Oct 15, 2014 13:20:10 GMT
Update via MLS Soccer www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/10/14/american-exports-wolverhampton-coach-confirms-juan-agudelo-trial-search-empl?module=from_footerFor now, Agudelo – who also spent time working out with Orlando City FC – is stretching his legs daily at Wolves' Sir Jack Hayward Training Ground. He is allowed to play for the Under-21 team, and made that debut with a decent weekend showing. "He played against Queens Park Rangers on Friday," Jackett said. "He did okay, and at 21, he's strong and he looks like he can get a goal. By the end of this week we'll definitely make a decision. We've had a good look at him. We've had plenty of 11 on 11's in training to make sure we get him right."
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Post by Sweeper on Oct 15, 2014 13:24:07 GMT
And Wolves will be more successful than Stoke in getting a work permit how?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 15, 2014 14:24:39 GMT
And Wolves will be more successful than Stoke in getting a work permit how? They won't be with the new work around, Stoke are capable of sorting it too.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 15, 2014 15:00:59 GMT
Thanks for that. Call off the chase Sparky, he's not worth it apparently. He'll be well worth it for us in the Championship next season. Now it's all starting to fall in to place. Hughes out.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 15, 2014 15:28:19 GMT
And Wolves will be more successful than Stoke in getting a work permit how? Read the thread - if you understand English and your IQ is over about 80 you'll soon understand.
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Post by potter30 on Oct 15, 2014 18:18:46 GMT
Not interested in reading the thread- but they are welcome to him. Not proven, we don't need him!
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Post by steakandchips on Oct 15, 2014 18:32:59 GMT
Not interested in reading the thread- but they are welcome to him. Not proven, we don't need him! Good job you aren't the manager then. I'd say that given his career & goal scoring record, Hughes is a good judge of strikers......
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 15, 2014 18:34:12 GMT
Not interested in reading the thread- but they are welcome to him. Not proven, we don't need him! What a strange post. It's a fairly low risk deal in today's climate and Hughes clearly rates him very highly.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 15, 2014 18:34:55 GMT
Not interested in reading the thread- but they are welcome to him. Not proven, we don't need him!
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Post by Sweeper on Oct 15, 2014 18:40:51 GMT
And Wolves will be more successful than Stoke in getting a work permit how? Read the thread - if you understand English and your IQ is over about 80 you'll soon understand. Something allegedly about buying a Cyprus passport, but it's not exactly cheap. Is the club going to pay for that?
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Post by potter30 on Oct 15, 2014 18:58:34 GMT
Not interested in reading the thread- but they are welcome to him. Not proven, we don't need him! What a strange post. It's a fairly low risk deal in today's climate and Hughes clearly rates him very highly. strange, in what way? If we did sign him and he didn't score in a few games he would be slated. Just because Hughes rates him doesn't mean he is the business
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Post by MrMagic on Oct 15, 2014 19:09:36 GMT
What a strange post. It's a fairly low risk deal in today's climate and Hughes clearly rates him very highly. strange, in what way? If we did sign him and he didn't score in a few games he would be slated. Just because Hughes rates him doesn't mean he is the business Strange in the way that he's only 21. In a market where teams are podding out £12m on very average Championship strikers, paying €500,000 for a house in Cyprus to get a WP for a free agent who we have been chasing for 2 years seems a no brainer. We'd more than likely pay more than that for a signing on fee for a free agent anyway. The fact that you reckon he'd be slagged if he didn't score in a few games indicates that my suspicions that some of our support are becoming more like manure and Chelsea fans by the week, are probably right.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 15, 2014 19:36:06 GMT
It is a pretty cheap operation for any club. Let's say the property would cost £500K. The club LOANS the cash, interest free, to the player - nowt dodgy about that. The loan is repayable by the player (from his wages) over the life of the player's contract interest free. The ultimate cost to the club of the loan transaction is £500k x whatever the commercial interest rate on a secured loan would be - say 5%. So the loss of interest to the club is £500k x 5% = £25k per annum for each year of the contract = £75k for a 3 year contract. In practice, as the loan reduces, the loss of interest would be less each year - but I can't be bothered to do the maths! At the end of the contract the club has its loan back and the player has a fully paid for £500k holiday home in Cyprus - more or less, depending upon what has happened to property values in Cyprus over the three years.
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Post by rawli on Oct 16, 2014 9:19:16 GMT
Not interested in reading the thread- but they are welcome to him. Not proven, we don't need him! Yes, let's risk the lot by buying proven players with ludicrous transfer fees and wages. Seems a sustainable model. While we're at it fuck the academy off as none of those wankers are proven either.
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Post by fromtheusa on Oct 16, 2014 21:31:06 GMT
Read the thread - if you understand English and your IQ is over about 80 you'll soon understand. Something allegedly about buying a Cyprus passport, but it's not exactly cheap. Is the club going to pay for that? Also heard he purchased land in Cyprus and some scheme to obtain a passport. For Americans with grandparents born in an EU country it can cost less then £10k to obtain a passport.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 17, 2014 9:01:29 GMT
Express&StarJackett doesn't seem to know what the hell is going on.
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Post by chamberlain on Oct 17, 2014 10:07:50 GMT
Express&StarJackett doesn't seem to know what the hell is going on. Anybody but them fuckers
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 17, 2014 13:21:06 GMT
It'll be interesting to see the Hughes response if this comes up in the press conference that starts in a bit.
I can't see how we could have a credible answer for not wanting to sign him the minute his passport comes through if this Cypriot angle is true - and we must be well up to speed on where the situation stands.
There must be a reason why we've allowed him to rock up at Wolves, but it's not immediately clear what it is - unless we don't want to go back in for round three until he actually has the Cypriot passport in his hand.
But unless that's a slam-dunk, he's absolutely no good to Wolves either.
Kenny Jackett seems as confused by the whole situation as us - but I'm guessing the Stoke hierarchy have some kind of plan here?
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 18, 2014 9:12:40 GMT
Odd write-up on Hughes' reaction to the subject. Looks like he didn't make any comment, but probably wants to play it down until Agudelo has passport in hand (at which time, you'd think, he'll be here in double quick time?)
Sentinel Meanwhile it's fair to say from Hughes' somewhat pained expression that Juan Agudelo isn't figuring too prominently on Stoke's radar just now.
They've tried, and failed, twice to sign him over the last 12 months. He's since popped up at Wolves, however, amid talk of applying for a Cypriot passport. Such a passport would allow a circumvention of that dreaded permit. So does that mean Stoke would resurrect their interest if he became a "Cypriot"?
Hughes couldn't quite find the right words to say something like "You never know, but don't hold your breath"
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 18, 2014 9:25:54 GMT
Odd write-up on Hughes' reaction to the subject. Looks like he didn't make any comment, but probably wants to play it down until Agudelo has passport in hand (at which time, you'd think, he'll be here in double quick time?)
Sentinel Meanwhile it's fair to say from Hughes' somewhat pained expression that Juan Agudelo isn't figuring too prominently on Stoke's radar just now.
They've tried, and failed, twice to sign him over the last 12 months. He's since popped up at Wolves, however, amid talk of applying for a Cypriot passport. Such a passport would allow a circumvention of that dreaded permit. So does that mean Stoke would resurrect their interest if he became a "Cypriot"?
Hughes couldn't quite find the right words to say something like "You never know, but don't hold your breath" That was my interpretation as well. If we had no interest in signing him even if he got a Cypriot passport - why not just say so? Failure to come up with a meaningful comment suggests to me that we still have a live interest.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 20, 2014 12:53:57 GMT
Wolves end Agudelo interest“Juan is not a player that we are going to pursue,” Kenny Jackett confirmed.
“He has been here on trial and we thank him for coming here and training and hope he enjoyed his time with us.
“But both parties will now move on. We felt that match fitness was the key for Juan.
“To get him up to Championship standard he would need to play games and it is hard to go from nothing straight into the Championship.
“That can be tough, and while the odd player does it most people don’t – you need a run of games and need to build up.
“So it was nothing to do with his ability levels, just that he hasn’t played.
“Drawing some likenesses we also have some players out on loan playing regularly who could come back in a good rhythm and with match fitness under their belts.”
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 20, 2014 13:09:07 GMT
Wolves end Agudelo interest“Juan is not a player that we are going to pursue,” Kenny Jackett confirmed.
“He has been here on trial and we thank him for coming here and training and hope he enjoyed his time with us.
“But both parties will now move on. We felt that match fitness was the key for Juan.
“To get him up to Championship standard he would need to play games and it is hard to go from nothing straight into the Championship.
“That can be tough, and while the odd player does it most people don’t – you need a run of games and need to build up.
“So it was nothing to do with his ability levels, just that he hasn’t played.
“Drawing some likenesses we also have some players out on loan playing regularly who could come back in a good rhythm and with match fitness under their belts.” Wow, where do you start with that one? Is fitness the real reason they don't wan't him or we've scuppered the deal? It's a bit short sighted to say it's nothing to do with ability levels but that he hasn't played. Not interest then in the long term. This is as clear as mud. Where does he go from here?
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Post by unknown182 on Oct 20, 2014 13:30:56 GMT
Why would he say that he's been impressed with him in the trial and then a week later say he's not signing because he's not fit?. It's a free transfer so they would have plenty of time to get him into shape. This has convinced me that he's holding out to sign for us and Jackett doesn't want to sign him on a short term deal knowing that he'll be signing for us afterwards.
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Post by slpmarc on Oct 20, 2014 17:14:26 GMT
Could it be the publicity is causing problems with the passport application, due to it's controversial nature, maybe he was at wolves to stay fit but stay out the public eye, but someone has blabbed and now he has been taken out of wolves so the publicity does down
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 21, 2014 6:09:31 GMT
Could it be the publicity is causing problems with the passport application, due to it's controversial nature, maybe he was at wolves to stay fit but stay out the public eye, but someone has blabbed and now he has been taken out of wolves so the publicity does down You might be right. But why would the Cypriot authorities be concerned at any controversy regarding the passport application. They (Cyprus) have a policy of granting passports to people who put a certain level of investment into their country. Why would they be concerned as to the underlying reasons why the applicant wanted the passport? You'd imagine that the Cypriots are well aware that a sudden upsurge in people from around the world buying expensive property won't be entirely because these people have suddenly decided that a Cypriot holiday pad is what they have dreamed of for years.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 21, 2014 6:26:58 GMT
Could it be the publicity is causing problems with the passport application, due to it's controversial nature, maybe he was at wolves to stay fit but stay out the public eye, but someone has blabbed and now he has been taken out of wolves so the publicity does down You might be right. But why would the Cypriot authorities be concerned at any controversy regarding the passport application. They (Cyprus) have a policy of granting passports to people who put a certain level of investment into their country. Why would they be concerned as to the underlying reasons why the applicant wanted the passport? You'd imagine that the Cypriots are well aware that a sudden upsurge in people from around the world buying expensive property won't be entirely because these people have suddenly decided that a Cypriot holiday pad is what they have dreamed of for years. Strangely enough, thousands of 'crime experts' from the 'Former Soviet Union' have no difficulty getting a passport. You would think Agudelo having a Colombian name would be nailed on not only for a passport but for a 'Welcome to Cyprus' party too
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 8:09:18 GMT
What a strange affair, Mr Agudelo is. He is now left in football no mans land.
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Post by slpmarc on Oct 21, 2014 8:29:13 GMT
Could it be the publicity is causing problems with the passport application, due to it's controversial nature, maybe he was at wolves to stay fit but stay out the public eye, but someone has blabbed and now he has been taken out of wolves so the publicity does down You might be right. But why would the Cypriot authorities be concerned at any controversy regarding the passport application. They (Cyprus) have a policy of granting passports to people who put a certain level of investment into their country. Why would they be concerned as to the underlying reasons why the applicant wanted the passport? You'd imagine that the Cypriots are well aware that a sudden upsurge in people from around the world buying expensive property won't be entirely because these people have suddenly decided that a Cypriot holiday pad is what they have dreamed of for years. Not Cyprus, the FA have now got time to find away to block any attempt of him coming in through an loophole. Club wanted it to be all hush hush so when we did sign him they had no time to find a reason why not
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Post by nik80 on Oct 21, 2014 8:42:56 GMT
Wolves end Agudelo interest“Juan is not a player that we are going to pursue,” Kenny Jackett confirmed.
“He has been here on trial and we thank him for coming here and training and hope he enjoyed his time with us.
“But both parties will now move on. We felt that match fitness was the key for Juan.
“To get him up to Championship standard he would need to play games and it is hard to go from nothing straight into the Championship.
“That can be tough, and while the odd player does it most people don’t – you need a run of games and need to build up.
“So it was nothing to do with his ability levels, just that he hasn’t played.
“Drawing some likenesses we also have some players out on loan playing regularly who could come back in a good rhythm and with match fitness under their belts.” Wow, where do you start with that one? Is fitness the real reason they don't wan't him or we've scuppered the deal? It's a bit short sighted to say it's nothing to do with ability levels but that he hasn't played. Not interest then in the long term. This is as clear as mud. Where does he go from here? Or perhaps it is an issue with his ability and Kenny's being diplomatic?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 21, 2014 8:44:16 GMT
You might be right. But why would the Cypriot authorities be concerned at any controversy regarding the passport application. They (Cyprus) have a policy of granting passports to people who put a certain level of investment into their country. Why would they be concerned as to the underlying reasons why the applicant wanted the passport? You'd imagine that the Cypriots are well aware that a sudden upsurge in people from around the world buying expensive property won't be entirely because these people have suddenly decided that a Cypriot holiday pad is what they have dreamed of for years. :P Not Cyprus, the FA have now got time to find away to block any attempt of him coming in through an loophole. Club wanted it to be all hush hush so when we did sign him they had no time to find a reason why not If that is the case then Agudelo has shot himself in the foot by agreeing to a trial at Wolves and putting himself in the media. If he had done nothing who would have known all this was going on behind the scenes? Now Wolves don't want him and the cats out of the bag getting a deal done now must be more difficult anyway.
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