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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2014 12:51:52 GMT
It didn't work against Villa because they played with an incredibly congested defence. At Hull away they did the same once they went down to ten. At Man City we obviously didn't play him alone up front because we needed to have a quick release (and have it stick) to Crouch when we were getting battered. I seriously reckon when we're away at lesser opposition (Burnley, Leicester, QPR, etc) we'll be able to have Diouf alone up front with support from Moses/Arnie/Assaidi (whoever's playing) and just use superior pace to twat them on the counter; especially if we purposefully invite pressure from them to coax them into defending higher. At home though I'd probably prefer more of a 4411 with Ireland being left out for Bojan who would play off Crouch. I still don't think Diouf suits that system at all well plb. Our home record means that even some of the better teams set up more negatively than they might and 80% of our home games will be against 'congested defences'. I personally think Adam is required at home but as Foster says its all a bit of a head fuck how this is achieved and that's why Hughes is on a couple of million quid a year. Against that sort of opposition, I'd play Adam in a '3' in a 4-3-1-2, with Moses playing as the '1' behind a front '2' Sheikhy.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 2, 2014 12:58:15 GMT
I still don't think Diouf suits that system at all well plb. Our home record means that even some of the better teams set up more negatively than they might and 80% of our home games will be against 'congested defences'. I personally think Adam is required at home but as Foster says its all a bit of a head fuck how this is achieved and that's why Hughes is on a couple of million quid a year. Against that sort of opposition, I'd play Adam in a '3' in a 4-3-1-2, with Moses playing as the '1' behind a front '2' Sheikhy. Yeah that team/formation you put up the other day would get my vote, Paul. Not least because the top 15 or 16 players at the club can easily slot into it depending on form/opposition etc.
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Post by YounginStoke on Sept 2, 2014 12:58:44 GMT
I think you could tweak the formation to a 4-3-1-2 which would still allow us to play 2 up top, which looked to help Diouf, but would give us more control of the game, which would probably be needed against someone like Leicester at home who might look to pack the midfield. The only problem with this sort of formation is that only one winger could play and they'd be play as a AM just behind the striker, so it'd have to be Arnie or Moses for me or you could play Bojan.
Bego
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters
Whelan Nzonzi Ireland/Sidwell/Adam
Moses/Arnie/Bojan
Diouf Crouchy
For me I'd probably go Sidwell and Moses vs Leicester.
Never mind, Paul Spencer beat me to it!
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Sept 2, 2014 14:09:33 GMT
----------------------------Bego
Bardsley----Shawcross----Wilson----Muniesa
----------------Sidwell--------Nzonzi----------------
Moses -------------Bojan---------Arnautovic
-------------------Crouch-----------------
Subs, sorro, pieters, huth, gcam, Adam, Assaidi, diouf
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 2, 2014 14:26:57 GMT
Right now I'd go with: Bego Bardsley Shawcross Wilson pieters Whelan Nzonzi Walters diouf Moses Crouch Bench: butland, muniesa, bojan, Arnie, Adam, Huth, sidwell Ireland, odemwingie, and Cameron are injured, but would factor in my squad rotation if healthy. Sorenson, Teixiera, Shea, wilko, and palacios fill in only if we are decimated by injuries and suspensions, but I think I'd have to drop one to be at 25. To do that I'd have Shea and palacios take penalties, the first one to miss gets cut. Assaidi? it was written before we secured the loan
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2014 14:39:25 GMT
it was written before we secured the loan
Eh? The thread wasn't even started until after the window shut and according to the time stamp you posted it early this morning.
But anyway who would you leave off your bench to accommodate Assaidi?
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Post by Bombus on Sept 2, 2014 14:46:03 GMT
HOME:
Begovic
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Muniesa
Whelan N'Zonzi
Moses Bojan Arnautovic
Crouch
AWAY:
Begovic
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters
Moses Whelan Adam N'Zonzi Walters
Diouf
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Post by borat on Sept 2, 2014 15:01:55 GMT
My team would be: Begovic, Bardsley, Shawcross, Huth, Pieters Nzonzi, Adam, Moses, Bojan, Assaidi Diouf Bench Sorro, Muniesa, Cameron, Whelan, Crouch, Arnie, Walters Obviously I'd change it around to keep everybody happy, including having different people on the subs bench each week but that is some first team!
No Wilson, not even in the match day squad?
Like I said I would change the team around on a regular basis but who do i drop for Wilson?
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Post by king ricky on Sept 2, 2014 15:05:15 GMT
it was written before we secured the loan
Eh? The thread wasn't even started until after the window shut and according to the time stamp you posted it early this morning.Â
But anyway who would you leave off your bench to accommodate Assaidi?
I started this post after the deadline we'd signed Assaidi by then
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2014 15:07:38 GMT
Eh? The thread wasn't even started until after the window shut and according to the time stamp you posted it early this morning.
But anyway who would you leave off your bench to accommodate Assaidi?
I started this post after the deadline we'd signed Assaidi by then
Yeah weird that he said what he did mate.
I thought the whole reason you started the thread was because the window was now shut.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Sept 2, 2014 15:16:08 GMT
For me it has to be Begovic Cameron Shawcross Muniesa Pieters Nzonzi Whelan Arnautovic Bojan Moses Diouf
Lovely thing with our squad right now is that we have a lot of changes we can make depending on who we play
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 2, 2014 15:31:58 GMT
Right now it is changing every week and quite rightly so, it is changing for two reasons. Depending on who we play and getting used to our new squad which quite frankly has two even teams on paper. Quite right. I don't go with this "best team". MH has assembled a very talented squad with a lot of depth in talent. I think he will ring the changes depending on individual form, small groups who play well together, the opposition, home or way or cup match, even the weather maybe. For example, there will be times he could go very defensive and use the likes of Bardsley and Pieters, and other times he will go for an attacking team and play Cameron and Muniesa IMO. My team? Bego and Ryan would be first on the team sheet. Crouch would always be in the match squad because he offers another dimension; whether he started or not would depend on circumstances. Whelan and N'Zonzi are a great pairing provided they are in the right mood and would stick with them till others show they can do better. Still too early to pass judgement on Diouf; I thought he took his goal brilliantly on Saturday (with a bit of luck regarding the keeper), but I was mad when he missed a sitter a few minutes later. Moses or Arni, but not both; Moses is the current form man. Wilson till Huth shows he is back to his best; we miss Huth's headed goals. Ireland or Bojan, well you've got to go with class and hope Bojan blossoms with regular playing. Assaidi and Adam are great impact players but not convinced they are 90 minute men. Sidwell was arguably Fulham's best player last year; played 41 times, scored 8 goals - not many Stoke player did better, but nobody very few want s him in their side. Shows how much the Stoke squad has progressed.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 2, 2014 15:41:12 GMT
Was this 'missed sitter' of Diouf's the one where he couldn't reach Odemwingie's overhit cross?
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 2, 2014 16:09:17 GMT
Was this 'missed sitter' of Diouf's the one where he couldn't reach Odemwingie's overhit cross? Yes = I thought he should of got to it, granted the defender obscured his view of the ball coming but natural goal poachers would have anticipated the trajectory of the cross and stuck a leg out sooner.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 2, 2014 16:21:20 GMT
Was this 'missed sitter' of Diouf's the one where he couldn't reach Odemwingie's overhit cross? Yes = I thought he should of got to it, granted the defender obscured his view of the ball coming but natural goal poachers would have anticipated the trajectory of the cross and stuck a leg out sooner. PO overhit it mate. Short of crafting Inspector Gadget-style extendable legs onto himself there wasn't a lot he could've done. By no means a sitter IMO.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 2, 2014 16:55:01 GMT
it was written before we secured the loan
Eh? The thread wasn't even started until after the window shut and according to the time stamp you posted it early this morning.Â
But anyway who would you leave off your bench to accommodate Assaidi?
i posted that before I went to bed, didn't see that Assaidi signed until this morning. When Assaidi is ready, as in match fit, he'd take the place of bojan or Arnie. It's a tough call, but I think if he's on the bench it has to be at the expense of an attacking player, preferably a winger. If walters is an injury concern or dropped that would free up a spot too. Still have to wait and see though because he just joined us, and who knows how ready he is to play after being frozen out at Liverpool. As for the 25 man squad Shea is the man to go since we have plenty of attacking players ahead of him, and even if we lost 3 attacking players to injury I doubt he'd make the bench with Moses, Arnie, walters, Assaidi, diouf, bojan, and even muniesa able to play on his side. Whereas palacios could be needed if we lost N'Zonzi and Whelan to injury; although he would still have sidwell, Adam, and probably Cameron ahead of him, he would at least be close to making the bench as an emergency sub.
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Post by homer32 on Sept 2, 2014 18:24:56 GMT
It's a real challenge now picking the side that MH will put out. He will have studied Leicester and decided the best way to break them down. I don't think they will park the bus totally but they will have plenty of players behind the ball and will try and catch us on the break.I haven't watched much of Leicester but I think we need to respect them and not go too Gungho.Something like :
Begovic Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Peters Whelan Nzonzi Bojan Diouf Moses Crouch Crouchy deserves to keep his place & I think Diouf plays better with him just playing off him .Bojan will play across the pitch and hopefully supply the magic touch to break them down.Moses is a must & Arnie has to fight for his place.With Adam & Arnie both on the bench to come on 2nd half if things need changing.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2014 19:18:11 GMT
Eh? The thread wasn't even started until after the window shut and according to the time stamp you posted it early this morning.Â
But anyway who would you leave off your bench to accommodate Assaidi?
i posted that before I went to bed, didn't see that Assaidi signed until this morning. When Assaidi is ready, as in match fit, he'd take the place of bojan or Arnie. It's a tough call, but I think if he's on the bench it has to be at the expense of an attacking player, preferably a winger. If walters is an injury concern or dropped that would free up a spot too. Still have to wait and see though because he just joined us, and who knows how ready he is to play after being frozen out at Liverpool. As for the 25 man squad Shea is the man to go since we have plenty of attacking players ahead of him, and even if we lost 3 attacking players to injury I doubt he'd make the bench with Moses, Arnie, walters, Assaidi, diouf, bojan, and even muniesa able to play on his side. Whereas palacios could be needed if we lost N'Zonzi and Whelan to injury; although he would still have sidwell, Adam, and probably Cameron ahead of him, he would at least be close to making the bench as an emergency sub. Wow - you'd have Bojan or Arnie not even making the bench and you'd have Walters in there ahead of them - interesting to say the least.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 2, 2014 19:19:30 GMT
Was this 'missed sitter' of Diouf's the one where he couldn't reach Odemwingie's overhit cross? Not a sitter but he should of made contact with it imo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 19:26:10 GMT
For me if we are playing at home against teams that sit back Charlie Adam has to play. He's the one bloke we have that can pick a pass and utilize the pace we have up front. If not then Crouchie needs to play.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 2, 2014 19:32:31 GMT
i posted that before I went to bed, didn't see that Assaidi signed until this morning. When Assaidi is ready, as in match fit, he'd take the place of bojan or Arnie. It's a tough call, but I think if he's on the bench it has to be at the expense of an attacking player, preferably a winger. If walters is an injury concern or dropped that would free up a spot too. Still have to wait and see though because he just joined us, and who knows how ready he is to play after being frozen out at Liverpool. As for the 25 man squad Shea is the man to go since we have plenty of attacking players ahead of him, and even if we lost 3 attacking players to injury I doubt he'd make the bench with Moses, Arnie, walters, Assaidi, diouf, bojan, and even muniesa able to play on his side. Whereas palacios could be needed if we lost N'Zonzi and Whelan to injury; although he would still have sidwell, Adam, and probably Cameron ahead of him, he would at least be close to making the bench as an emergency sub. Wow - you'd have Bojan or Arnie not even making the bench and you'd have Walters in there ahead of them - interesting to say the least. i think he's been good the last two games, mind you it is my team at the moment. If Ireland were healthy he'd be in there, and if Arnie were playing like he did at the end of last season he would too. I thought bojan should be our main striker to start the season, but now Crouchie is playing like a candidate for MVP. So, it's all about form right now for me. And Assaidi coming in for Arnie or bojan is dependent on him even being ready to play. I'd go with the players that have performed well so far, and I honestly think walters has put in two decent performances this season and Arnie and bojan have not. I'm not saying I would prefer walters over both for the entire season, but rather at the moment.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2014 19:38:21 GMT
Wow - you'd have Bojan or Arnie not even making the bench and you'd have Walters in there ahead of them - interesting to say the least. i think he's been good the last two games, mind you it is my team at the moment. If Ireland were healthy he'd be in there, and if Arnie were playing like he did at the end of last season he would too. I thought bojan should be our main striker to start the season, but now Crouchie is playing like a candidate for MVP. So, it's all about form right now for me. And Assaidi coming in for Arnie or bojan is dependent on him even being ready to play. I'd go with the players that have performed well so far, and I honestly think walters has put in two decent performances this season and Arnie and bojan have not. I'm not saying I would prefer walters over both for the entire season, but rather at the moment. I thought Bojan was our best player against Hull and I thought Walters was our weakest player against Citeh. But it's all about opinions I guess ...
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Post by ************** on Sept 2, 2014 19:44:33 GMT
i think he's been good the last two games, mind you it is my team at the moment. If Ireland were healthy he'd be in there, and if Arnie were playing like he did at the end of last season he would too. I thought bojan should be our main striker to start the season, but now Crouchie is playing like a candidate for MVP. So, it's all about form right now for me. And Assaidi coming in for Arnie or bojan is dependent on him even being ready to play. I'd go with the players that have performed well so far, and I honestly think walters has put in two decent performances this season and Arnie and bojan have not. I'm not saying I would prefer walters over both for the entire season, but rather at the moment. I thought Bojan was our best player against Hull and I thought Walters was our weakest player against Citeh. But it's all about opinions I guess ... I missed a big chunk of the first half against Citeh but I thought Charlie looked out of his depth when he came on Paul. And i've been fairly vocal about him getting into the side as well. Maybe it's his lack of pace but his performance stood out for me as not quite there. How did you think Charlie did?
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 2, 2014 19:50:27 GMT
Bego Bardsley Ryan Huth/Wilson Pieters Moses Nzonzi Sidwell Arnie Diouf Bojan
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2014 19:56:19 GMT
I thought Bojan was our best player against Hull and I thought Walters was our weakest player against Citeh. But it's all about opinions I guess ... I missed a big chunk of the first half against Citeh but I thought Charlie looked out of his depth when he came on Paul. And i've been fairly vocal about him getting into the side as well. How did you think he did? I thought he was a walking fucking nightmare ************** - who single handedly, nearly blew all our fantastic achievements in the game, with a series of lazy, half hearted, misplaced passes that should be regarded as being totally unacceptable at this level in the game. He did a really good job at carrying the ball out and won us some vital free kicks, which meant that we could really slow down the game towards the end but that counts for nothing when he can far too easily switch off and gift the game to the opponents. I have a love/hate relationship with Mr. Adam, in the right game I'd advocate that's it's essential that he starts, whilst at the same time thinking I wouldn't care less if he never played for us again.
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Post by ************** on Sept 2, 2014 20:00:13 GMT
I missed a big chunk of the first half against Citeh but I thought Charlie looked out of his depth when he came on Paul. And i've been fairly vocal about him getting into the side as well. How did you think he did? I thought he was a walking fucking nightmare ************** - who single handedly, nearly blew all our fantastic achievements in the game, with a series of lazy, half hearted, misplaced passes that should be regarded as being totally unacceptable at this level in the game. He did a really good job at carrying the ball out and won us some vital free kicks, which meant that we could really slow down the game towards the end but that counts for nothing when he can far too easily switch off and gift the game to the opponents. I have a love/hate relationship with Mr. Adam, in the right game I'd advocate that's it's essential that he starts, whilst at the same time thinking I wouldn't care less if never played for us again. Hmmmm, yes I was trying to be diplomatic but I think you've articulated it pretty well.
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Post by tracksuittony on Sept 2, 2014 20:06:35 GMT
Whatever the preferable team for this year, and I know its early doors yet, but we need to make use of Moses and Odemwingie as much as we can. I believe these two will be influential this season. Not only will they draw defenders in to create room for the likes of Diouf, and deliver good balls into the box and we've seen from both of them already this season, but their defensive work also is second to none, leaving our more attacking than ever fullbacks able to roam forward a bit more. Crouch shouldn't be forgotten either, his work rate against the bigger teams shouldn't be forgotten and the way he holds the ball up and lays the ball off will be hugely important especially if he's feeding the likes of the pacier wingers. He gives us something different in the way that he's pretty much all we have to aim for aerially now as Diouf doesn't appear to head too well. For now, I can't see an open berth for Arnie and he need to sort that attitude out before we can contemplate him as a starter when we have a fully fit team. However maybe he'll see more time on the pitch now Odems out though with Moses possibly switching to the right I guess. As for Assaidi, Bojan and Walters, they'll all do their jobs in different ways later on in the game as subs and in particular Bojan and Assaidi could be frightening if Ireland gives them good service through the channels and behind the defense. Adam on for Whelan could also be an option if the above are on the pitch. Behind that, the back seven of Bego, Ryan, Wilson, Bards, Pieters, N'Zonzi and Whelan will be the spine and will grow stronger as the season progresses. We saw that against Man City and long may it continue. Any lapses in Wilson's performances though and Muni and Huth will be hungry to perform, Wilson will know that this year too. Defending a lead perhaps I'd slot G Cam in for Whelan for the last 20-30 but only then. These 7 need as much playing time together as they can. I love the selection headache we'll all have this season and I've never seen in my lifetime such a Stoke squad rich in talent and experience. There's honestly 15-20 players that could all be considered starters on paper and I'm sure they'll all get game time as Hughes tinkers the opposition into submission. UP THE POTTERS. You do know that Odemwingie has a long term injury don't you? NO
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 2, 2014 20:19:29 GMT
I missed a big chunk of the first half against Citeh but I thought Charlie looked out of his depth when he came on Paul. And i've been fairly vocal about him getting into the side as well. How did you think he did? I thought he was a walking fucking nightmare ************** - who single handedly, nearly blew all our fantastic achievements in the game, with a series of lazy, half hearted, misplaced passes that should be regarded as being totally unacceptable at this level in the game. He did a really good job at carrying the ball out and won us some vital free kicks, which meant that we could really slow down the game towards the end but that counts for nothing when he can far too easily switch off and gift the game to the opponents. I have a love/hate relationship with Mr. Adam, in the right game I'd advocate that's it's essential that he starts, whilst at the same time thinking I wouldn't care less if he never played for us again. Spot on assessment
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 2, 2014 20:25:48 GMT
Was this 'missed sitter' of Diouf's the one where he couldn't reach Odemwingie's overhit cross? Not a sitter but he should of made contact with it imo. I don't think he was physically able to. The fault didn't lie with him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 2, 2014 20:35:09 GMT
Not a sitter but he should of made contact with it imo. I don't think he was physically able to. The fault didn't lie with him. I do. It looked more than gettable, needed to lead with his left, think he panicked. Not arsed though!
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