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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 2, 2014 7:28:53 GMT
At the moment I don't see how you can look beyond Saturday's team, only with one of Arnie/Assaidi in for Walters.
There's maybe a case for sticking Adam in one of the midfield positions in tight games at home, though his unwillingness to to track runners and Chernobyl-level tackling would still worry me when he's that far deep. Maybe in those games you'd have to play someone like Walters somewhere or ask Diouf to do what he did on Saturday and get back and press their defensive mid.
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Post by foster on Sept 2, 2014 7:56:11 GMT
Bego
Bardsley Ryan Wilson Eric
NZonzi Ireland Adam
Moses Arnie
Diouf
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 2, 2014 8:08:47 GMT
Can't believe the amount of 4-2-3-1's picked with Diouf up front on his own.
It has not and will not work.
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Post by geoffscott on Sept 2, 2014 8:15:54 GMT
Can't believe the amount of 4-2-3-1's picked with Diouf up front on his own. It has not and will not work. I guess those that have gone with Diouf up front on his own, only saw the highlights of the Hull and Man City games.
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Post by foster on Sept 2, 2014 8:16:20 GMT
Can't believe the amount of 4-2-3-1's picked with Diouf up front on his own. It has not and will not work. I think the problem is that its bloody difficult to narrow down our midfield to 4 players. I'll give it a go though.. - Same defence as above - N'Zonzi, Ireland, Moses, Arnie - Diouf, Crouch (Struggled to drop Whelan actually, but I think Arnie combines better with Ireland) Also, I've gone more offensive, considering the opposition.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 2, 2014 8:43:04 GMT
Can't believe the amount of 4-2-3-1's picked with Diouf up front on his own. It has not and will not work. I think the problem is that its bloody difficult to narrow down our midfield to 4 players. I'll give it a go though.. - Same defence as above - N'Zonzi, Ireland, Moses, Arnie - Diouf, Crouch (Struggled to drop Whelan actually, but I think Arnie combines better with Ireland) Also, I've gone more offensive, considering the opposition. I think any long term move to 442 will be bad news for Ireland, Foster.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2014 8:46:25 GMT
Right now I'd go with: Bego Bardsley Shawcross Wilson pieters Whelan Nzonzi Walters diouf Moses Crouch Bench: butland, muniesa, bojan, Arnie, Adam, Huth, sidwell Ireland, odemwingie, and Cameron are injured, but would factor in my squad rotation if healthy. Sorenson, Teixiera, Shea, wilko, and palacios fill in only if we are decimated by injuries and suspensions, but I think I'd have to drop one to be at 25. To do that I'd have Shea and palacios take penalties, the first one to miss gets cut. Assaidi?
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Sept 2, 2014 8:56:04 GMT
Begovic Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters N'Zonzi Whelan Assaidi Ireland Moses Diouf.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Sept 2, 2014 8:57:48 GMT
I'd put arnie on the right and keep Moses on the left. Fulham last season arnie on the right and assaidi on the left worked wonders. Keep Moses where he can cut in and strike cause he has a much better shot than arnie.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 2, 2014 9:14:57 GMT
I think the idea of having a slightly different home and away set is the way to go, the early signs are there for this to be implemented for me
Home
Beggo
Bardsley Ryan Wilson/Huth Pieters
Adam Muniesa
Moses Bojan Arnie
Diouf
Away
Beggo
Bardsley. Ryan Huth/Wilson Pieters
Moses Nzonzi Whelan Arnie
Diouf. Crouch
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Post by foster on Sept 2, 2014 9:16:41 GMT
I think the problem is that its bloody difficult to narrow down our midfield to 4 players. I'll give it a go though.. - Same defence as above - N'Zonzi, Ireland, Moses, Arnie - Diouf, Crouch (Struggled to drop Whelan actually, but I think Arnie combines better with Ireland) Also, I've gone more offensive, considering the opposition. I think any long term move to 442 will be bad news for Ireland, Foster. I agree. If we move to that I can see him being frozen out of the side. Possible January casualty.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 2, 2014 9:18:50 GMT
I think the idea of having a slightly different home and away set is the way to go, the early signs are there for this to be implemented for me Home Beggo Bardsley Ryan Wilson/Huth Pieters Adam Muniesa Moses Bojan Arnie Diouf Away Beggo Bardsley. Ryan Huth/Wilson Pieters Moses Nzonzi Whelan Arnie Diouf. Crouch Can't see that midfield ever happening in team 1.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 2, 2014 9:32:14 GMT
I think the idea of having a slightly different home and away set is the way to go, the early signs are there for this to be implemented for me Home Beggo Bardsley Ryan Wilson/Huth Pieters Adam Muniesa Moses Bojan Arnie Diouf Away Beggo Bardsley. Ryan Huth/Wilson Pieters Moses Nzonzi Whelan Arnie Diouf. Crouch Can't see that midfield ever happening in team 1. Maybe not but I think we need to have a lot more urgency and two players (Adam Muniesa) who can anticipate forward movement more often. Nzonzi and Whelan are a great pairing but the way teams set up against us at home, you need players unlocking it.
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Post by Discovery Stoke on Sept 2, 2014 10:09:40 GMT
Bego
Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters
Adam N'Zonzi
Moses Bojan Arnie
Diouf
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2014 10:14:43 GMT
I'm also surprised by the amount of people who have Arnie in the team. He's playing absolute dog shit at the minute and did half of last season until after Xmas. I don't know how you can put the bloke in your best 11 not knowing what you're going to get each week. He's got to be on the bench for me until he gets his shit together.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 2, 2014 10:22:08 GMT
I'm also surprised by the amount of people who have Arnie in the team. He's playing absolute dog shit at the minute and did half of last season until after Xmas. I don't know how you can put the bloke in your best 11 not knowing what you're going to get each week. He's got to be on the bench for me until he gets his shit together. Perseverance is needed, anyway, how will you know he's got his shit together if he's stuck on the bench. He'll be back to his magnificent self soon enough.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2014 10:27:18 GMT
I'm also surprised by the amount of people who have Arnie in the team. He's playing absolute dog shit at the minute and did half of last season until after Xmas. I don't know how you can put the bloke in your best 11 not knowing what you're going to get each week. He's got to be on the bench for me until he gets his shit together. Perseverance is needed, anyway, how will you know he's got his shit together if he's stuck on the bench. He'll be back to his magnificent self soon enough. How soon? I mean how long do you give the bloke. Half of last season he was crap. This pre season he's looked uninterested, he was totally anonymous for the Villa game and was an embarrassment in the Hull match. Oh and was dropped for Citeh and we played much better actually having 11 players on the field. Yes he played well end of last season but he's way to inconsistent to be one of the first on my teamsheet, as I've said it's really time now for the real Arnie to step up.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 2, 2014 10:34:45 GMT
Perseverance is needed, anyway, how will you know he's got his shit together if he's stuck on the bench. He'll be back to his magnificent self soon enough. How soon? I mean how long do you give the bloke. Half of last season he was crap. This pre season he's looked uninterested, he was totally anonymous for the Villa game and was an embarrassment in the Hull match. Oh and was dropped for Citeh and we played much better actually having 11 players on the field. Yes he played well end of last season but he's way to inconsistent to be one of the first on my teamsheet, as I've said it's really time now for the real Arnie to step up. Well I'd be more inclined to make him prove himself on the pitch rather than on the bench. If he doesn't contribute to expectations (MH that is) then sub him. If he continues along the same path after being subbed then yes, drop him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 10:38:48 GMT
Sorensen
Wilko Cort Sonko Dicko
Olofinjana Amdy Salif
Perricard Mama Cresswell
Subs:
Kitson Pugh Parkin Soares Matteo Buxton Tonge
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 2, 2014 10:56:39 GMT
Can't believe the amount of 4-2-3-1's picked with Diouf up front on his own. It has not and will not work. It didn't work against Villa because they played with an incredibly congested defence. At Hull away they did the same once they went down to ten. At Man City we obviously didn't play him alone up front because we needed to have a quick release (and have it stick) to Crouch when we were getting battered. I seriously reckon when we're away at lesser opposition (Burnley, Leicester, QPR, etc) we'll be able to have Diouf alone up front with support from Moses/Arnie/Assaidi (whoever's playing) and just use superior pace to twat them on the counter; especially if we purposefully invite pressure from them to coax them into defending higher. At home though I'd probably prefer more of a 4411 with Ireland being left out for Bojan who would play off Crouch.
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Post by foster on Sept 2, 2014 11:03:29 GMT
I actually haven't got a fucking clue.
Think I'll get out of this headfuck ASAP and leave the tough decisions to Hughes.
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Post by redstriper on Sept 2, 2014 11:04:05 GMT
It's a struggle to name 11 as who do you leave out ?.... But anyway, it's a 14 man game these days, the starting 11 is only half the picture
I can see arnie, assaidi, bojan, adam and crouch all having potential as impact subs depending on the situation.
It's great that we have so many options now.
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Post by malisastokie on Sept 2, 2014 11:04:28 GMT
Bego
bardesly Huth shawcross
moses N'Zonzi Sidwell arnie
diouf
crouch
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Post by arniepieinthesky on Sept 2, 2014 11:07:41 GMT
My team would be: Begovic, Cameron, Shawcross, Huth, Pieters Nzonzi, Adam, Moses, Bojan, Assaidi Diouf Thoughts? Depends on the circumstance, at home when teams play deep against us, I feel Crouch has to be in, 100% must! So against Leicester... Bego Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters Nzonzi Whelan Arnie Bojan (like give the guy another crack) Moses Crouch Harsh on Diouf, but I think Crouch would be better in a game like this
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 11:24:51 GMT
Can't believe the amount of 4-2-3-1's picked with Diouf up front on his own. It has not and will not work. It didn't work against Villa because they played with an incredibly congested defence. At Hull away they did the same once they went down to ten. At Man City we obviously didn't play him alone up front because we needed to have a quick release (and have it stick) to Crouch when we were getting battered. I seriously reckon when we're away at lesser opposition (Burnley, Leicester, QPR, etc) we'll be able to have Diouf alone up front with support from Moses/Arnie/Assaidi (whoever's playing) and just use superior pace to twat them on the counter; especially if we purposefully invite pressure from them to coax them into defending higher. At home though I'd probably prefer more of a 4411 with Ireland being left out for Bojan who would play off Crouch. It didn't work against Villa because of the free role given to Bojan IMO. Diouf kept drifting out wide to fill the void left by our latest recruit from Barca.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 2, 2014 11:28:46 GMT
It's a struggle to name 11 as who do you leave out ?.... But anyway, it's a 14 man game these days, the starting 11 is only half the picture Surely that's "Only 11/14ths the picture"?
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Post by foster on Sept 2, 2014 11:45:01 GMT
It's a struggle to name 11 as who do you leave out ?.... But anyway, it's a 14 man game these days, the starting 11 is only half the picture Surely that's "Only 11/14ths the picture"? 78.57% to be exact. Clearly he's tired after his late night outside CW yesterday.
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Post by vahl on Sept 2, 2014 12:28:10 GMT
My team would be: Begovic
Cameron Shawcross Wilson Pieters
N'Zonzi Whelan
Adam
Diouf Crouch Assaidi
I'm not shunning any other players, just think there's a good balance to this team.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 2, 2014 12:32:24 GMT
Bego Cameron Shawcross Wilson Pieters Adam Zonz Arnie Bojan Moses Diouf/ Crouch not really arsed.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 2, 2014 12:43:42 GMT
Can't believe the amount of 4-2-3-1's picked with Diouf up front on his own. It has not and will not work. It didn't work against Villa because they played with an incredibly congested defence. At Hull away they did the same once they went down to ten. At Man City we obviously didn't play him alone up front because we needed to have a quick release (and have it stick) to Crouch when we were getting battered. I seriously reckon when we're away at lesser opposition (Burnley, Leicester, QPR, etc) we'll be able to have Diouf alone up front with support from Moses/Arnie/Assaidi (whoever's playing) and just use superior pace to twat them on the counter; especially if we purposefully invite pressure from them to coax them into defending higher. At home though I'd probably prefer more of a 4411 with Ireland being left out for Bojan who would play off Crouch. I still don't think Diouf suits that system at all well plb. Our home record means that even some of the better teams set up more negatively than they might and 80% of our home games will be against 'congested defences'. I personally think Adam is required at home but as Foster says its all a bit of a head fuck how this is achieved and that's why Hughes is on a couple of million quid a year.
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