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Post by jamie3184 on Sept 2, 2014 0:16:18 GMT
Begovic Bardsley Shawcross Muniesa Peters Sidwell Moses Ireland Arnautovic Diouf Bojan
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 2, 2014 0:19:52 GMT
Begovic Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters Whelan N'Zonzi Moses Ireland Arnie Diouf
Tough one though but I'm assuming we'll be sticking with 4-2-3-1, I'd switch between Crouch and Diouf depending on the opposition.
I'm curious why people are picking Cameron at right back though.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 2, 2014 0:20:34 GMT
Begovic Bardsley Shawcross Muniesa Peters Sidwell Moses Ireland Arnautovic Diouf Bojan Wow, never want to win the midfield then
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Post by greenbaize on Sept 2, 2014 0:27:39 GMT
Start with Crouch every time
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Post by tracksuittony on Sept 2, 2014 0:28:53 GMT
Whatever the preferable team for this year, and I know its early doors yet, but we need to make use of Moses and Odemwingie as much as we can. I believe these two will be influential this season. Not only will they draw defenders in to create room for the likes of Diouf, and deliver good balls into the box and we've seen from both of them already this season, but their defensive work also is second to none, leaving our more attacking than ever fullbacks able to roam forward a bit more.
Crouch shouldn't be forgotten either, his work rate against the bigger teams shouldn't be forgotten and the way he holds the ball up and lays the ball off will be hugely important especially if he's feeding the likes of the pacier wingers. He gives us something different in the way that he's pretty much all we have to aim for aerially now as Diouf doesn't appear to head too well.
For now, I can't see an open berth for Arnie and he need to sort that attitude out before we can contemplate him as a starter when we have a fully fit team. However maybe he'll see more time on the pitch now Odems out though with Moses possibly switching to the right I guess.
As for Assaidi, Bojan and Walters, they'll all do their jobs in different ways later on in the game as subs and in particular Bojan and Assaidi could be frightening if Ireland gives them good service through the channels and behind the defense. Adam on for Whelan could also be an option if the above are on the pitch.
Behind that, the back seven of Bego, Ryan, Wilson, Bards, Pieters, N'Zonzi and Whelan will be the spine and will grow stronger as the season progresses. We saw that against Man City and long may it continue. Any lapses in Wilson's performances though and Muni and Huth will be hungry to perform, Wilson will know that this year too. Defending a lead perhaps I'd slot G Cam in for Whelan for the last 20-30 but only then. These 7 need as much playing time together as they can.
I love the selection headache we'll all have this season and I've never seen in my lifetime such a Stoke squad rich in talent and experience. There's honestly 15-20 players that could all be considered starters on paper and I'm sure they'll all get game time as Hughes tinkers the opposition into submission.
UP THE POTTERS.
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Post by jamie3184 on Sept 2, 2014 0:32:47 GMT
Begovic Bardsley Shawcross Muniesa Peters Sidwell Moses Ireland Arnautovic Diouf Bojan Wow, never want to win the midfield then Haha i tried to incorporate our best attacking talent into a decent formation. I don't really rate N'Zonzi as highly as others do on the forum, no doubt he can pass the ball around extremely well but he is so lazy and petulant that i would rather leave him out. Whelan i like and works hard but Sidwell for me is a better version of Whelan, with real goal scoring ability. No doubt it would mean Moses and Arnautovic having to track back and work on there defensive duties more as well as Ireland, in reality Sidwell could sit deep just in front of the defense with Ireland playing in the middle and Bojan just off Diouf. So it would be like a 4-2-3-1 but staggered. Begovic Bardsley Shawcross Muniesa Peters Sidwell Ireland Moses Arnautovic Bojan Diouf
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Post by StatesideStokie on Sept 2, 2014 0:33:08 GMT
Begovic
Bardsley Shawcross Huth Peiters
N'Zonzi Ireland
Moses Arnie Crouch Diouf
Switch out Ireland for Whelan, depending on the opposition.
Bojan could come in for either Diouf or Crouch to play in the hole when necessary.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 2, 2014 0:48:45 GMT
Wow, never want to win the midfield then Haha i tried to incorporate our best attacking talent into a decent formation. I don't really rate N'Zonzi as highly as others do on the forum, no doubt he can pass the ball around extremely well but he is so lazy and petulant that i would rather leave him out. Whelan i like and works hard but Sidwell for me is a better version of Whelan, with real goal scoring ability. No doubt it would mean Moses and Arnautovic having to track back and work on there defensive duties more as well as Ireland, in reality Sidwell could sit deep just in front of the defense with Ireland playing in the middle and Bojan just off Diouf. So it would be like a 4-2-3-1 but staggered. Begovic Bardsley Shawcross Muniesa Peters Sidwell Ireland Moses Arnautovic Bojan Diouf The problem with saying Sidwell is a version of Whelan but with goal scoring ability is that ability is completely nullified as soon as you put him in at DM, especially if he's the only one, Whelan would probably do a lot better if he was allowed to get forward and take a few shots but thats not his job, for that part of his game to be effective he would really need to be in N'Zonzi's position. Not sure how you couldn't rate N'Zonzi but thats fair enough, I think we saw the best of him against Man City but it can be hard to play like he did week in week out because other teams won't be happy to give him the space but I don't think we can afford not to have him in the side, he keeps the ball so well and does a good job of winning it, he can be a mardi sod though Probably work a little better with Ireland falling back a bit but again its not his game, he very rarely wins the ball back. Personally I hope we never see that team/formation in that way, it would scare the hell out of me, no offence mind
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2014 0:49:14 GMT
I thought we realised after Saturday that Diouf looks a completely different player when he's played off Crouch, he's no lone striker.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 2, 2014 0:50:31 GMT
I thought we realised after Saturday that Diouf looks a completely different player when he's played off Crouch, he's no lone striker. We did, but I can't see us ripping it all up after one game.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2014 0:55:42 GMT
I thought we realised after Saturday that Diouf looks a completely different player when he's played off Crouch, he's no lone striker.
And neither is Crouch.
With the forwards we've got, we really need to be considering playing 2 up top more often than not, be it 4-4-2 or 4-3-1-2 depending on the opposition.
Both the Premiership champions and the Premiership runners up played with two up top last season and we've just done the unthinkable - won at the Ethiad and we did it, erm - playing two up top.
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Post by right on Sept 2, 2014 1:01:04 GMT
Bego Cameron Shawcross Huth Muniesa Nzonzi Adam Moses Diouf Arnie Crouch
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2014 1:01:17 GMT
I thought we realised after Saturday that Diouf looks a completely different player when he's played off Crouch, he's no lone striker.
And neither is Crouch.
With the forwards we've got, we really need to be considering playing 2 up top more often than not, be it 4-4-2 or 4-3-1-2 depending on the opposition.
Both the Premiership champions and the Premiership runners up played with two up top last season and we've just done the unthinkable - won at the Ethiad and we did it, erm - playing two up top.
You're preaching to the converted Paul, I've never been a fan of any formation that plays a lone striker because unless you've got a specialist 30m player or Ricardo Fuller it doesn't work very often.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2014 1:08:18 GMT
Bego Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters Whelan Moses Adam Assaidi Crouch Diouf
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2014 1:23:54 GMT
Depending on the opposition and Bojan definitely being an option to replace Crouch or Diouf up front in either side:
Begovic Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters Moses Whelan N'Zonzi Arnie Crouch Diouf
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Begovic Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters Whelan N'Zonzi Adam Moses Crouch Diouf
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Post by meirparkpotter on Sept 2, 2014 1:48:57 GMT
Bego
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters
N Zonzi Whelan
Arnie Moses
Diouf
Crouch
Why change a winning formula (apart from the forced change on the RW)? Diouf looked better in a deeper role, crouch looked better with support, Moses was awesome, Arnie will be if he can get his form back
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Post by jamie3184 on Sept 2, 2014 1:53:23 GMT
Haha i tried to incorporate our best attacking talent into a decent formation. I don't really rate N'Zonzi as highly as others do on the forum, no doubt he can pass the ball around extremely well but he is so lazy and petulant that i would rather leave him out. Whelan i like and works hard but Sidwell for me is a better version of Whelan, with real goal scoring ability. No doubt it would mean Moses and Arnautovic having to track back and work on there defensive duties more as well as Ireland, in reality Sidwell could sit deep just in front of the defense with Ireland playing in the middle and Bojan just off Diouf. So it would be like a 4-2-3-1 but staggered. Begovic Bardsley Shawcross Muniesa Peters Sidwell Ireland Moses Arnautovic Bojan Diouf The problem with saying Sidwell is a version of Whelan but with goal scoring ability is that ability is completely nullified as soon as you put him in at DM, especially if he's the only one, Whelan would probably do a lot better if he was allowed to get forward and take a few shots but thats not his job, for that part of his game to be effective he would really need to be in N'Zonzi's position. Not sure how you couldn't rate N'Zonzi but thats fair enough, I think we saw the best of him against Man City but it can be hard to play like he did week in week out because other teams won't be happy to give him the space but I don't think we can afford not to have him in the side, he keeps the ball so well and does a good job of winning it, he can be a mardi sod though Probably work a little better with Ireland falling back a bit but again its not his game, he very rarely wins the ball back. Personally I hope we never see that team/formation in that way, it would scare the hell out of me, no offence mind No offence taken what so ever, a debate is always good as long as it's backed up by good points which yours is I agree that to be in a good goal scoring position then whelan would need to be forward more however Sidwell has a better record of hitting the back of the net no matter where he has played, be that for Arsenal, Reading Villa or Fulham. I just think that both Sidwell and Whelan do an equally good job in the centre the only factor i think off to separate them is their goal scoring ability. With regards to N'Zonzi i have no qualms with regards to his ability on the ball, when i first saw him live i couldn't believe he wasn't at a top six side. However after watching him over seasons it's his attitude when he doesn't have the ball that makes me think he is over rated. It is all very well getting on the ball and either holding it up or playing it about but when you don't have the ball it is also just as important to track back, pressure and win possession back. N'Zonzi doesn't do the latter enough for me to be considered a starter in the side ahead of people like Sidwell and Whelan. The modern game is generally about fitness and pressure, if a team can run all over the pitch and pressure an opposing team for 90 mins they will have the better chance of winning. I think the formation could work with players being disciplined enough and being fit enough, if Ireland could tack too and from then it could definitely work, with him taking an N'Zoni role when defending and his own role when attacking. What would your line-up/tactic be?
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Sept 2, 2014 1:56:20 GMT
A front 2 of Bojan/Crouch/Diouf every week could be quite fun if changed depending on the opposition.
This'll be a season where we see more changes than ever before to our team. I'm not sure if that's a good thing though, but I trust Hughes.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Sept 2, 2014 2:43:40 GMT
Bego(GK) Barsley(RB) Shawcross(CB) Wilson(CB) Pieters(LB)
N'zonzi (CDM)
Walters (RM) Moses (LM) Bojan (CAM)
Diouf (RS) Crouch (LS)
Would like to see how this would fair.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 2, 2014 3:10:33 GMT
Bego Bardsley Wilson ryan eric
Whelan Nzonzi
Moses Ireland Arnie
Diouf
the amount of competiton within the squad is the important thing as it stops players becoming complacent
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 2, 2014 3:52:45 GMT
Right now I'd go with:
Bego Bardsley Shawcross Wilson pieters Whelan Nzonzi Walters diouf Moses Crouch
Bench: butland, muniesa, bojan, Arnie, Adam, Huth, sidwell
Ireland, odemwingie, and Cameron are injured, but would factor in my squad rotation if healthy.
Sorenson, Teixiera, Shea, wilko, and palacios fill in only if we are decimated by injuries and suspensions, but I think I'd have to drop one to be at 25. To do that I'd have Shea and palacios take penalties, the first one to miss gets cut.
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Post by rawli on Sept 2, 2014 5:46:18 GMT
Whatever the preferable team for this year, and I know its early doors yet, but we need to make use of Moses and Odemwingie as much as we can. I believe these two will be influential this season. Not only will they draw defenders in to create room for the likes of Diouf, and deliver good balls into the box and we've seen from both of them already this season, but their defensive work also is second to none, leaving our more attacking than ever fullbacks able to roam forward a bit more. Crouch shouldn't be forgotten either, his work rate against the bigger teams shouldn't be forgotten and the way he holds the ball up and lays the ball off will be hugely important especially if he's feeding the likes of the pacier wingers. He gives us something different in the way that he's pretty much all we have to aim for aerially now as Diouf doesn't appear to head too well. For now, I can't see an open berth for Arnie and he need to sort that attitude out before we can contemplate him as a starter when we have a fully fit team. However maybe he'll see more time on the pitch now Odems out though with Moses possibly switching to the right I guess. As for Assaidi, Bojan and Walters, they'll all do their jobs in different ways later on in the game as subs and in particular Bojan and Assaidi could be frightening if Ireland gives them good service through the channels and behind the defense. Adam on for Whelan could also be an option if the above are on the pitch. Behind that, the back seven of Bego, Ryan, Wilson, Bards, Pieters, N'Zonzi and Whelan will be the spine and will grow stronger as the season progresses. We saw that against Man City and long may it continue. Any lapses in Wilson's performances though and Muni and Huth will be hungry to perform, Wilson will know that this year too. Defending a lead perhaps I'd slot G Cam in for Whelan for the last 20-30 but only then. These 7 need as much playing time together as they can. I love the selection headache we'll all have this season and I've never seen in my lifetime such a Stoke squad rich in talent and experience. There's honestly 15-20 players that could all be considered starters on paper and I'm sure they'll all get game time as Hughes tinkers the opposition into submission. UP THE POTTERS. You do know that Odemwingie has a long term injury don't you?
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Post by kurt on Sept 2, 2014 6:29:58 GMT
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Begovic----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------Cameron---------------------------------Shawcross---------------------------------Wilson--------------------------------------------Pieters--------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Whelan------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Nzonzi-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------Moses------------------------------------------------------------------Ireland--------------------------------------------------------------------------Arni------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Diouf------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by that's our Ric on Sept 2, 2014 6:52:05 GMT
Bego Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters N Zonzi Whelan Arnie Moses Diouf Crouch Why change a winning formula (apart from the forced change on the RW)? Diouf looked better in a deeper role, crouch looked better with support, Moses was awesome, Arnie will be if he can get his form back I think you've about nailed it there youth! Crouch and Diouf do look better together, Moses is a shoe-in on cu?rent form and Arnie will be itching to get on now. I would bring in Bojan if Arnie not performing and possibly Adam for Whelan when trying to break down 10 men defences at home - Leicester ??
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 2, 2014 6:53:35 GMT
I thought we realised after Saturday that Diouf looks a completely different player when he's played off Crouch, he's no lone striker.
And neither is Crouch.
With the forwards we've got, we really need to be considering playing 2 up top more often than not, be it 4-4-2 or 4-3-1-2 depending on the opposition.
Both the Premiership champions and the Premiership runners up played with two up top last season and we've just done the unthinkable - won at the Ethiad and we did it, erm - playing two up top.
FINALLY......someone seeing the virtues of resorting back to the more traditional 4-4-2. Its painfully obvious that if you have 2 strikers you will give the defence twice as much to think about. Fuck this 4-2-3-1 out the door and while youre at it take yer 3-5-2 as well.......... We dont want any of the fancy dan continental tactics and formations at Stoke thankyou very much !
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Post by DannyStokie on Sept 2, 2014 6:55:01 GMT
I think people are wrong.
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Post by geoffscott on Sept 2, 2014 7:03:50 GMT
Horses for courses really, but first 11 would be:
Begovic
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters
Arnoutavic Whelan N'Zonzi Moses
Diouf Crouch
Bench:
Sorenson Cameron Muniesa Adam Assaidi Bojan Walters
No place for Sidwell and Ireland, who I wouldn't have a problem with if they were in the starting 11, says it all about the quality and balance of our squad now.
Of course today they'd make the bench as Assaidi and Cameron aren't fit, the old German center half might also sneak onto the bench if injuries take their toll.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 2, 2014 7:13:21 GMT
My team would be: Begovic, Cameron, Shawcross, Huth, Pieters Nzonzi, Adam, Moses, Bojan, Assaidi Diouf Thoughts? Home Bego Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters Whelan N'Zonzi Moses Ireland Arnie Diouf Away Bego Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters Whelan N'Zonzi Sidwell Diouf Crouch Moses
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Post by Danstoke82 on Sept 2, 2014 7:24:19 GMT
I'd go with Home ..........................Bego........................ Bardsley......Ryan......Huth...........Eric .............NZonzi.............GCam........... ...Moses..........Bojan...........Assaidi.... ..........................Diouf........................ Away ........................Bego.......................... Bardsley......Ryan....,,Huth...........Eric ...........NZonzi.........,,,Whelan............ Walters.....................................Moses ........................Diouf........................... ........................Crouch........................ God were spoilt for options at the moment I haven't even included Ireland, Adam, Arno, Sidwell, Muni and Odom. Absolutely agree with these teams, although maybe Id have Whelan in home and away as Geoff is out currently isn't he?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 2, 2014 7:25:48 GMT
I thought we realised after Saturday that Diouf looks a completely different player when he's played off Crouch, he's no lone striker.
And neither is Crouch.
With the forwards we've got, we really need to be considering playing 2 up top more often than not, be it 4-4-2 or 4-3-1-2 depending on the opposition.
Both the Premiership champions and the Premiership runners up played with two up top last season and we've just done the unthinkable - won at the Ethiad and we did it, erm - playing two up top.
I agree,Paul. I don't see how we can drop Crouch at the moment and two up front suits him and Diouf. A few of us on here have been trying to accommodate Diouf in the most effective way and I think Hughes achieved it on Saturday. I suppose there will be tinkering here and there, but I like two up front with our current personnel.
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